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fuck off Batman: Oct 14, 2013; Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah!

pdxjohan posted:

We're not licensing our engines anymore.

Of course not, that's because Ubik owns it now :v:

efb

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:02

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 07:49

Chickpea Roar: Jan 11, 2006; Merdre!

gradenko_2000 posted:

Wiz made an application that can automatically generate a bunch of random leaders for a country (that I can't find right now unfortunately), which was honestly my biggest issue with MOTE, but apart from that it's a pretty solid game on its own.

Does buildings that increase income still take entire game length*10 or something to actually turn a profit?

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:17

Tuskin38: May 1, 2013; Have you seen these posts?
They're pretty popular on Reddit.

EvW is gone for good

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?760477-A-joint-statement-from-BL-Logic-and-Paradox-Interactive!

According to a Small FAQ added to the first page, it mostly has to do with Steam not allowing them to distribute the Beta in its current form and it would cost too much money and resources to release it any other way

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...=1#post17020512

quote:

- Why not release what you got as an open beta as said before?
: This is because Steam will not let us release it in it's current state, and it would cost a lot of money and time to re-write it to be distributed outside of Steam.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:21

Dibujante: Jul 27, 2004

Tuskin38 posted:

EvW is gone for good

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?760477-A-joint-statement-from-BL-Logic-and-Paradox-Interactive!

According to a Small FAQ added to the first page, it mostly has to do with Steam not allowing them to distribute the Beta in its current form and it would cost too much money and resources to release it any other way

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...=1#post17020512

Godspeed, Richard L�t�ques :canada:

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:22

Kavak: Aug 23, 2009

I'm actually kind of disappointed. lovely or not, I still wanted to see what the game was like.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:25

Shimrra Jamaane: Aug 10, 2007; Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

HAHA the only way it could have ended tbh.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:25

Tuskin38: May 1, 2013; Have you seen these posts?
They're pretty popular on Reddit.

They could least drop the NDA and allow beta testers/Devs to share their experiences

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:28

Bold Robot: Jan 6, 2009; Be brave.

But... my straits... :qq:

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:28

YF-23: Feb 17, 2011; My god, it's full of cat!

Tuskin38 posted:

EvW is gone for good

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?760477-A-joint-statement-from-BL-Logic-and-Paradox-Interactive!

According to a Small FAQ added to the first page, it mostly has to do with Steam not allowing them to distribute the Beta in its current form and it would cost too much money and resources to release it any other way

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...=1#post17020512

RIP in loving pieces. :saddowns:

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:30

Kainser: Apr 27, 2010; O'er the sea from the north
there sails a ship
With the people of Hel
at the helm stands Loki
After the wolf
do wild men follow

Well that's anticlimactic.

e; Jesus, has it really been in development for 3 years?

e2; ahahah, the :tinfoil:

in that thread over it only being cancelled due to HoI4.

Kainser fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Mar 6, 2014

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:31

Shimrra Jamaane: Aug 10, 2007; Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

pdxjohan posted:

We're not licensing our engines anymore.

Suddenly this makes a lot more sense.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:32

Tuskin38: May 1, 2013; Have you seen these posts?
They're pretty popular on Reddit.

Kainser posted:

ahahah, the in that thread over it only being cancelled due to HoI4.

I know it is silly, they're not even the same company.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:35

A_Raving_Loon: Dec 12, 2008; Subtle
Quick to Anger

Astro Nut posted:

I wanna know what those mini-countries in the middle are though. Or do countries in this brave new era have no need of petty names?

They're just too small for the game to bother drawing their name at that zoom level.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:38

DStecks: Feb 6, 2012

pdxjohan posted:

We're not licensing our engines anymore.

I was just about to post "but what about EvW?" then I clicked to the next page. :v:

Kind of a shame, lots could be done with the engines, its too bad there had to be these big public fuckups.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:42

Beamed: Nov 26, 2010; Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.

Does..does this mean we are not, in fact, the world? :ohdear:

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:43

Tuskin38: May 1, 2013; Have you seen these posts?
They're pretty popular on Reddit.

Bjorn edited his FAQ post to clarify the Steam part

quote:

- Why not release what you got as an open beta as said before?
: This is because Steam can't ~~let us~~ release it in it's current state, and it would cost a lot of money and time to re-write it to be distributed outside of Steam.

So it wasn't because steam wouldn't allow it, it is because they could not release it?

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:45

Beamed: Nov 26, 2010; Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.

Maybe that's what the problem was. The Steamworks integration was too buggy to release the game in any form. :roflolmao:

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:48

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Kainser posted:

e2; ahahah, the in that thread over it only being cancelled due to HoI4.

Well you know they did pull the same trick before, having Ubik work on Magna Mundi for so long only to steal his work as EU4 released :v:

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:48

BillBear: Mar 13, 2013; Ask me about running my country straight into the ground every time I play EU4 multiplayer.

It's a shame Darkest Hour failed in sales. :smith:

Also EvW started development in May 2011? Holy poo poo.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:49

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

pdxjohan posted:

We're not licensing our engines anymore.

In light of EvW's inevitable collapse and the above, have you considered hiring the DH guys? The game may not have sold well but it was fantastic.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:53

Dibujante: Jul 27, 2004

Since Johan is in this thread I'd like to suggest using GUIDs instead of ints for province IDs and maybe just compiling them to an int-indexed table on map load for quick lookups? It would be a lot easier to manipulate the map if provinces were GUIDs! Sorry this is unrelated to EvW.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:55

Sky Shadowing: Feb 13, 2012; At least we're not the Thalmor (yet)

I think the writing was on the wall for most of us about EvW. Shame it happened, but really, after the catastrophes that have been Paradox's most recent attempts to license their most recent engines (Magna Mundi and now EvW) I can understand why you don't want to do that anymore.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 18:59

Beamed: Nov 26, 2010; Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

In light of EvW's inevitable collapse and the above, have you considered hiring the DH guys? The game may not have sold well but it was fantastic.

The DH devs seemed to do it all right - they met their release date, released an almost entirely bug-free game, have updated it willingly well after release - but their patches have been a bit slow. No idea if that's related to their development process, the devs themselves, or just an unwillingness to work excessively on a game that didn't sell well and was made part-time anyway or what.

That's not meant to be a knock against the devs - it probably is that they can't spend as much time patching as they used to - but it might be an observation Paradox makes? Dunno.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 19:00

Patter Song: Mar 26, 2010; Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.; Fun Shoe

RIP East vs West. ~~Despite~~ in part because of how goofy it was, I was legitimately looking forward to it.

Now Padre Groggo the Maoist Priest will never rule Spain.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 19:05

Cityinthesea: Aug 7, 2009

I wonder how many people in that thread who say they're never gonna buy another Paradox game again will buy another Paradox game again.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 19:08

Tuskin38: May 1, 2013; Have you seen these posts?
They're pretty popular on Reddit.

jju_57, a Beta tester is responding to vague questions in the thread. Vague because he is still technically under NDA, so hes sharing thoughts and opinions, but not actual info.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 19:09

YF-23: Feb 17, 2011; My god, it's full of cat!

Beamed posted:

The DH devs seemed to do it all right - they met their release date, released an almost entirely bug-free game, have updated it willingly well after release - but their patches have been a bit slow. No idea if that's related to their development process, the devs themselves, or just an unwillingness to work excessively on a game that didn't sell well and was made part-time anyway or what.

That's not meant to be a knock against the devs - it probably is that they can't spend as much time patching as they used to - but it might be an observation Paradox makes? Dunno.

DH is a game made I think literally in the devs' free time so I think it's really no surprise. If anything it's a wonder they're still patching it.

But you can't extrapolate DH's administration-side success to anything; BL-Logic had released Arsenal of Democracy, after all, and when EvW was officially announced a lot of us thought "well BL-Logic have proven themselves capable of actually releasing a game unlike ubik".

# ? Mar 6, 2014 19:10

Beamed: Nov 26, 2010; Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.

YF-23 posted:

DH is a game made I think literally in the devs' free time so I think it's really no surprise. If anything it's a wonder they're still patching it.

But you can't extrapolate DH's administration-side success to anything; BL-Logic had released Arsenal of Democracy, after all, and when EvW was officially announced a lot of us thought "well BL-Logic have proven themselves capable of actually releasing a game unlike ubik".

Yeah, that's fair. This was predictable from the moment it was leaked there was no multiplayer; from there it was just kind of dominoes falling, but at least before it I expected -some- wargame out of it.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 19:12

Kavak: Aug 23, 2009

Cityinthesea posted:

I wonder how many people in that thread who say they're never gonna buy another Paradox game again will buy another Paradox game again.

All of them.

Dibujante posted:

Since Johan is in this thread I'd like to suggest using GUIDs instead of ints for province IDs and maybe just compiling them to an int-indexed table on map load for quick lookups? It would be a lot easier to manipulate the map if provinces were GUIDs! Sorry this is unrelated to EvW.

Oh, this would be very, very nice. Didn't they basically do this with counties in Crusader Kings II?

# ? Mar 6, 2014 19:12

Nut to Butt: Apr 13, 2009; by FactsAreUseless

y'all should star citizen all those stockholm syndrome sufferers to bankroll V3

it's what they deserve

# ? Mar 6, 2014 19:15

Beamed: Nov 26, 2010; Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.

Drink Cheerwine posted:

y'all should star citizen all those stockholm syndrome sufferers to bankroll V3

it's what they deserve

I would be okay with this.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 19:17

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

I really want to play a new CK to EU converted mega-game but I feel like I have to wait for the 2 expansions coming for both of them.
Have they officially said anything about updating the converter to support the bigger/changed map for the new India expansion for CK?

# ? Mar 6, 2014 19:17

BillBear: Mar 13, 2013; Ask me about running my country straight into the ground every time I play EU4 multiplayer.

Drink Cheerwine posted:

y'all should star citizen all those stockholm syndrome sufferers to bankroll V3

it's what they deserve

I have no idea what sort of state Star Citizen is in but is it some sort of massive scam? I always see SC in a negative light on these forums lately.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 19:20

Beamed: Nov 26, 2010; Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.

All I know is Victoria 3 should be released after HoI4. It's the natural state of things.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 19:25

Pornographic Memory: Dec 17, 2008

BillBear posted:

I have no idea what sort of state Star Citizen is in but is it some sort of massive scam? I always see SC in a negative light on these forums lately.

Basically people are buying tons of DLC ships for a game that isn't even out yet. I don't know what progress is like for it but even if it was 100% guaranteed to be released and reasonably fun it still seems pretty retarded to buy a hundred dollars of virtual space ships pre-release.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 19:28

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

BillBear posted:

I have no idea what sort of state Star Citizen is in but is it some sort of massive scam? I always see SC in a negative light on these forums lately.

Imagine if a Paradox game came with 0 sprites, and you had to buy every sprite model as its own separate DLC pack
And the DLC packs cost triple-digit dollars each
And you don't actually know what the sprites look like
And you don't actually know that the game is even going to be released

That's what Star Citizen is

# ? Mar 6, 2014 19:36

YF-23: Feb 17, 2011; My god, it's full of cat!

quote:

This is a sick joke.

We knew the game had problems. We had to spent months without a single info, a single picture, a single second of footage, being warned, censored and banned every time we asked for a reason for all this, for a date at which it would all end.

We were given the news that the game would never be released. I never believed in this story, that maybe it would be released one day if the donations were large enough. But it was fine, at least we could play it under a beta form, all was not lost. We got a date. We got dev diaries. Even if its ultimate fate was doomed, this game seemed to have resurrected, at least a little.

And then, you crush everything, without a warning, not at the end of months of silence, but a few weeks after having given us hope again ?
You are the worst. Why were we banned and repressed when we were only saying the truth ?

Why weren't you honest with us ?
From one end to another, we were lied to, disrespected, censored, but we all endured it in the hope than one day, the game would come out, that it wouldn't have been in vain.

But it was.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 19:40

BillBear: Mar 13, 2013; Ask me about running my country straight into the ground every time I play EU4 multiplayer.

Wow Star Citizen does sound like some sort of grand scam.

And if Paradox had released the game the same people would of complained it was a broken mess. Some of those posts are gold.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 19:54

Tuskin38: May 1, 2013; Have you seen these posts?
They're pretty popular on Reddit.

Baronjutter posted:

Have they officially said anything about updating the converter to support the bigger/changed map for the new India expansion for CK?

They would be stupid not to.

According to one of the EvW devs this cancellation was very recent, they had no idea it was coming.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 19:55

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A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Dibujante posted:

Since Johan is in this thread I'd like to suggest using GUIDs instead of ints for province IDs and maybe just compiling them to an int-indexed table on map load for quick lookups? It would be a lot easier to manipulate the map if provinces were GUIDs! Sorry this is unrelated to EvW.

I have no idea what you just said, but I support it. _{Can you explain what you just said?}

Speaking of provinces, why are the defined with RGB values, and not hex? Adding new ones would be easier if I could just paste in the hex value instead of typing out three different numbers.

# ? Mar 6, 2014 19:56

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