Regalingualius posted:

What was the story behind that, out of curiosity? Was it pretty much the dev got tons more money than expected, realized they would have to spend even more than that to satisfy all of the stretch goals, and bailed out?

Kaiju Cage Match posted:

As far as I know, they keep tacking on stretch goals and delaying things (the ship fighting thing is supposed to be beta tested next month, but it'll just get delayed). Chris Roberts also promised things like exploring planets, boarding enemy ships, and PlanetSide 2-caliber ground combat, but that'll never happen.

Kaiju Cage Match posted:

As far as I know, they keep tacking on stretch goals and delaying things (the ship fighting thing is supposed to be beta tested next month, but it'll just get delayed). Chris Roberts also promised things like exploring planets, boarding enemy ships, and PlanetSide 2-caliber ground combat, but that'll never happen.

Djeser posted:

but from what I can see the page is just a list of relationships where people are different heights.

Subverted: my girlfriend is as tall as me
Averted: my girlfriend has no physical dimensions
Deconstructed: my girlfriend is in pieces in a bag in my trunk
Reconstructed: my girlfriend lives, she liiiives

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Actually, regardless of how you do it, furries will eat it up because they're starved for decent media. And being on the outside will probably mean you won't alientate readers who are not of the fandom.

Some notes, though: Furries tend to be very visually-oriented. The preferred style for anthros is Petting Zoo People—that means full fuzzy muzzle face, full fuzzy body, tails if you got'em. I tend to think this is because furries see the human face as too neutral, while animal faces are lively and distinct (yes—despite real animal faces having little expression. The style arose out of cartoon tradition for a reason)

However, if you're aiming for the female side of the fandom (sparse as it may be) then it's probably not quite as necessary, and would lean toward Little Bit Beastly. (Though I doubt they'd begrudge PZP if you're up for that anyway) I've noted that female artists are more often the ones to try for flat-faced or human-faced anthros, but it's by no means exclusive to them.

In terms of things that are NOT visual, furries would like the fuzzy character to be prominent and at least a minimum of attention drawn to his animal qualities. Preferably, he is one of the more active characters (For characterization reasons—nobody likes picking up a book for a specific kind of character only to find out they don't really do much).

If you want fanservice, beware, because that's what usually pulls non-furry readers out of the story. It's certainly possible to have your cake and eat it in this case—only take little bites and have a little bit of tact for goodness sake. Furries writing their own fanservice will tend to outright glorify the anthro body and describe them as invariably attractive with few physical flaws and less physical logic; you needn't be so blatant. But in terms of what furries do like, again, it's the visual—the exotic and weird details are often appreciated, and a ripped sculpted body that somehow shows through two layers of fur doesn't hurt either.*

You might be thinking, "Wait a minute, there's a lot of writers who do that with all their human characters (but without the allergens!)!" Well, you're right. Furry fans are people too. It's just a slightly different set of standards.

Beyond that, do whatever you like. The genre was always meant to be open-ended, so despite what furries do create and consume, there's (hopefully) room for variation.

Djeser posted:

Subverted: my girlfriend is as tall as me
Averted: my girlfriend has no physical dimensions
Deconstructed: my girlfriend is in pieces in a bag in my trunk
Reconstructed: my girlfriend lives, she liiiives

Creating Humanoid dragon race posted:

Okay, so I'm creating a series about a Humanoid Dragon species. So far, they live in clans named after their locations, have territories in the form of hunting grounds, another clan has taken over one clan's hunting grounds and one of the clans is trying to take out the others.
The main characters of the series will be five young members of the species, three males and two females. I already have that they age very slowly, four of the protagonists were asleep (That's how its referred to in-universe, more accurately they were in a coma) for a thousand years and came out only around ten years older in appearance. I can't however, work out anymore about what their biology is like.

first helpful response posted:

What does their biology needs to do? That helps.
What do you want them to look like?
Google "half-dragon" for possibilities, or "Dark sun dragon kings" for some variation.

OP posted:

Okay, they don't breathe fire or any other substance and they need to be able to navigate different terrains easily. They also need to be able to conserve energy well and be omnivorous while surviving on mostly fish and medium sized mammals. They will need to recover from injuries and sickness quickly.
I envisioned them looking like the characters of Gargoyles at first but as I've been sketching them, they look a little more like elves. I have worked out that they are digitigrade.

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So, you want lizard people?

OP posted:

More like Elf/Dragon hybrids.

quote:

Well, what input do you desire?
Which dragon tropes are you applying?

OP posted:

Well.
They are of course Draconic and Winged Humanoids, they have Dragon Hoards, they become stronger as they age to a certain point and have very expressive ears.

smart people posted:

If this is what you want do you really need biological justification for them ?

You have pretty much left the world of normal biology, so I guess I don't really understand what you're asking.It seems you just want anthropomorphic dragons. From a biological standpoint, you'd need absolutely, comically huge chest muscles to get any flight capabilities, at least a ten foot wingspan on them, underdeveloped legs, etc etc etc

Science guy posted:

With regard to the wings and the musculature for them, in all fairness most larger dragons should probably not get off the ground anyway; I've seen their ability to fly explained as a magical (or partly-magical) effect, I believe, which should work here too.

news posted:

Massachusetts' highest court ruled Wednesday that it is not illegal to secretly photograph underneath a person's clothing -- a practice known as "upskirting".

Sane person posted:

Yep, sounds like a pretty clear case of a badly written — or just out of date — law.

Raven Wilder posted:

Why should that be illegal? If you're in a public space, you should be able to photograph anything you can see; I don't see why what angle you photograph someone from should be regulated.

Morkyz posted:

Morkyz posted:

Sham bam bamina! posted:

Link?

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Clochette posted:

I guarantee that this guy is a libertarian with Asperger's syndrome.

SirPhoebos posted:

Aren't those synonymous?

Morkyz posted:

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But if someone crouched down real low and looked up someone's skirt, that'd be legal?

SirPhoebos posted:

Aren't those synonymous?

Ocarina of Time/Fridge posted:

Fridge Horror: Or is it Fridge Squick? The Gerudo race is comprised solely of females, save a single male born every hundred years. This means that male Gerudo have minimal dating competition, but unless or even if female Gerudo can produce offspring with outsiders, those females are, more often than not, that "lucky" male's sisters.
*The Gossip Stones outright say that the Gerudo go into towns to find "boyfriends," i.e., mates.
*Although there is Fridge Horror to be found there too - Namely, what exactly were they planning to do to those captured carpenters?
*Rape then to death, I supose, but given how the Gerudo look like, those guys would end up thinking they were very, very lucky...

Ocarina of Time/WildMassGuessing posted:

The Gerudo only have one male child every 100 years. In fitting with their overall Amazon theme, they would naturally kidnap men in order to procreate. Makes you have second thoughts about Link's "rescue" mission...although admittedly, the Gerudo would probably would kill them afterwards, just like the original Amazons.
*Well, I think one of the Gossip stones says that the Gerudo go into Hyrule to "get boyfriends"... So this is pretty darn plausible of a WMG...

Ocarina of Time/JustBugsMe posted:

This is being way overthought. The Gossip Stone clearly states that the Gerudo come into town to look for "boyfriends". We have seen the Gerudo abduct and imprison Hylian males. We have been explicitly told that a male birth is exceedingly rare among the Gerudo, but never has it been suggested that any of the Gerudo have extended lifespans, female or Special Male. The simplest answer is that the Gerudo abduct and rape men, give birth to Gerudo daughters, and that is how their society propagates.

Ocarina of Time trope list posted:

Lolicon: An indirect example. There's a couple dancing in Castle Town, and each comments that the other is "handsome like the King of Hyrule" or "prettier than Princess Zelda". You know, the princess who's less than ten years old at that point.

Ocarina of Time trope list posted:

Shotacon: If you knew about Nabooru's "promise".

Shwoo posted:

Someone on TV Tropes is very concerned about how the all-female race in Ocarina of Time reproduce.

The Leper Colon V posted:

There's literally lines in the loving games that say that they go to Hyrule-proper to find boyfriends. This isn't even filling in the blanks with rape. This is erasing, drawing a blank, and then filling it with rape.

Shwoo posted:

They did acknowledge that line, but they treated it like a euphemism because

The Leper Colon V posted:

There's literally lines in the loving games that say that they go to Hyrule-proper to find boyfriends. This isn't even filling in the blanks with rape. This is erasing, drawing a blank, and then filling it with rape.

Runcible Cat posted:

And that the carpenters admit they tried to join the Gerudos because they thought they'd get a life of thievery and hot women fawning over them and the Gerudos were in fact disgusted and pissed off. IT'S ACTUALLY A loving JOKE ABOUT HOW TROPER TYPES REGARD WOMEN-ONLY RACES! But god forbid tropers get jokes....

Regalingualius posted:

(Does anyone else associate 'crowning' with birth in this case? E: those 'Crowning Moment of' pages, I mean.)

Somfin posted:

Add 'actually play the games' to things that Tropers don't do before they start trope pages.

Things Tropers don't do before writing trope pages:
Read the books
Watch the films
Play the games
Stop masturbating

Clochette posted:

Never has been more accurate. Is it me or are tropers really loving preoccupied with non-consensual sex?

Clochette posted:

Never has been more accurate. Is it me or are tropers really loving preoccupied with non-consensual sex?

Regalingualius posted:

(Does anyone else associate 'crowning' with birth in this case? E: those 'Crowning Moment of' pages, I mean.)

Shwoo posted:

Also:

Ocarina of Time trope list posted:

Lolicon: An indirect example. There's a couple dancing in Castle Town, and each comments that the other is "handsome like the King of Hyrule" or "prettier than Princess Zelda". You know, the princess who's less than ten years old at that point.

Suspicious Dish posted:

hm, yes, of course, telling my wife she's "prettier than this 8 year old royal figure" certainly means that i want to have sex with underaged women and not with my wife!

glad tropers figured that oone out

Clochette posted:

When I was in 4th grade I was in a program where on Saturdays I took classes at a university, intended for children roughly in my age group. A male professor praised my beauty multiple times in front of the class and at the graduation ceremony. I'm pretty sure that guy wasn't up to anything sketchy, he was just telling a little girl that she was cute. You can consider another person attractive in a completely non-sexual way.

Clochette posted:

I think tropers have a hierarchy of explaining things. If a needlessly complicated and spergy explanation is available, use that instead of the simple explanation, and if rape or pedophilia is even remotely possible, go with that instead of anything else that would make infinitely more sense.

Majora's Mask posted:

Shotacon: Anju to Kafei. Tatl even says: "Even though they're lovers, they look just like a mother and child."

Majora's Mask posted:

Moe: Romani, mostly because of her cheerful personality despite her concerns regarding the ghosts that attempt to take away the cows. Her model being based on that of young-age Malon in Ocarina of Time helps as well.

Twilight Princess posted:

Les Yay: Midna and Zelda exchange plenty of meaningful dialogue and looks and are very motivated in helping one another, to the point of Heroic Sacrifice. Midna often gives Zelda a grin. Also a little questionable is that Midna call Zelda 'Twilight Princess' when that's her title. How do you think she could also be called that?

Wind Waker posted:

If you watch PBG's G Files episode on Zelda, near the end, he'll talk about Tingle. In his Majora's Mask incarnation, he's just a kind hearted boy who just so happens to be obessed with fairies and has the mind of a child... But in Wind Waker... Things get scarier... Let me ask you a question... Where do you find the Pictobox? In Tingle's cell. Right! But if Tingle was the one who stole the box, that means he had to have carved that area out... So, what are all of those SKULLS doing there?!? And what about if you visit his island and how Ankle and David Jr. claim that whenever you use the Tingle Tuner, he's nice to them... "So nice!" Have you connected the dots yet? That's right. Not only is the WW incarnation of Tingle a slave driver and abuser, he's also a MASS MURDERER!!! As if Tingle wasn't weird and/or creepy enough!!!

Majora's Mask posted:

What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?: Let's see... druggy and nightmarish visuals and cinematography; death and hopelessness permeates every quest and every second of gameplay; has some of the most legitimately frightening moments in Zelda history... and that's just the first hour. If the game were released today it'd be an E10+ at least.