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I used to like Land, but I also maintain that Land used to be better and has gotten incredibly lazy over the years. I mean, look at this poo poo.  It's Land, you can tell that. It's cheesecakey and that last panel has the girl-running-hands-through-her-hair reference he's going to come to love so very much. But there's also clearly been effort put into it, there's personality, it's not flat, all the facial expressions are right. This is art done with photo references, not the tracing he'll devolve into.
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CapnAndy posted:I used to like Land, but I also maintain that Land used to be better and has gotten incredibly lazy over the years. I mean, look at this poo poo. Wow. That actually looks like he drew it himself. Also, if you have some extra money, go bid on some art to help Stan Sakai. http://www.ebay.com/sch/capsauction/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
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Mar 7, 2014 03:47
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I will say that I think the coloring is lifting things up a bit. I usually see Land's art paired with very glossy coloring that aims for photo realism, but misses and hits Photoshop and just accentuates the issues with his pencils.
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Mar 7, 2014 03:55
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Alien Rope Burn posted:I felt Infinity, like most of Hickman's work, was really well plotted and even paced pretty well, but man, he just can't focus or characterize in a way that interests me. It all feels like the charts at the back of his books, but the problem is the book doesn't have much more personality. It's at least better than Shield, where it's mostly just people explaining the plot to the viewpoint character, and when he finally takes a major action of his own, they then explain to him why it's pointless for him to try and act. In the middle of major events I understand what you mean, but Hickman also wrote that Hong Kong issue of Avengers, and the FF issue where Johnny Storm and Peter Parker are room mates. So he can definitely do character beats (the F4 issue after Johnny Storm dies and Spider-Man takes Franklin out for a hot dog).
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Mar 7, 2014 04:03
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Timeless Appeal posted:I will say that I think the coloring is lifting things up a bit. I usually see Land's art paired with very glossy coloring that aims for photo realism, but misses and hits Photoshop and just accentuates the issues with his pencils. Yeah, those panels look like they might have been inked and colored with... actual inks.
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Mar 7, 2014 04:50
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I liked his work on Nightwing back in the day.
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Mar 7, 2014 05:19
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Was Taters posted:I liked his work on Nightwing back in the day. He was tracing even then. Scott McDaniel blew up over it some years back because half of Land's action poses were lifted from McDaniel's old issues.
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Mar 7, 2014 05:21
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I really liked the first issue of IDW's new Rogue Trooper series. Is their Judge Dredd run any good? I really want to find back issues of it rather than read it in trade. Dredd is sort of my collection focus right now.
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Mar 7, 2014 05:22
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Rhyno posted:He was tracing even then. Scott McDaniel blew up over it some years back because half of Land's action poses were lifted from McDaniel's old issues. See this is why I asked about his industry rep. Land swipes a lot, and I figured that other artists wouldn't just be cool with it. This tumblr has a lot of examples of his swipes. http://gently caress-no-greg-land.tumblr.com
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Mar 7, 2014 05:40
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drat it. I just looked at April solicits and apparently the Son of Satan is going to be in Avengers Undercover and I really want to read it now solely for that fact. WickedHate fucked around with this message at 05:31 on May 13, 2014 |
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Mar 7, 2014 06:43
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irlZaphod posted:I know it's just tacky at this point, and I normally wouldn't make fun of Liefeld, but he posted this recently as stuff he's working on (he's genuinely doing some GI Joe stuff so the middle one is fair enough). Yes, it's true. He can draw a character with no face.  Skwirl posted:In the middle of major events I understand what you mean, but Hickman also wrote that Hong Kong issue of Avengers, and the FF issue where Johnny Storm and Peter Parker are room mates. So he can definitely do character beats (the F4 issue after Johnny Storm dies and Spider-Man takes Franklin out for a hot dog). He... can, but it feels like a switch that goes on and off. Like, I liked some of his character beats with Richards way back when I was reading his run on Fantastic Four, but it feels secondary to his Big Arc kind of stuff. I admit I lost patience well before the issues you're bringing up. CapnAndy posted:I used to like Land, but I also maintain that Land used to be better and has gotten incredibly lazy over the years. I mean, look at this poo poo. His work on Sojourn at Crossgen showed some promise, at least. He's obviously tracing even back then, though, but he was forced to do some more original material. At least he's off Mighty Avengers now, so I don't have to see Luke Cage giving us scary rictus grins.
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irlZaphod posted:I know it's just tacky at this point, and I normally wouldn't make fun of Liefeld, but he posted this recently as stuff he's working on (he's genuinely doing some GI Joe stuff so the middle one is fair enough). He's got like three poses and half as many faces but I'm really amused now whenever I see Face # 3 in any of his drawings. 
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zoux posted:See this is why I asked about his industry rep. Land swipes a lot, and I figured that other artists wouldn't just be cool with it. This is why he moved from swiping other artists to GIS and porn.
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Mar 7, 2014 07:48
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Does Land ever do cons? I'd love to see him at a quick sketch table, sneaking Penthouse cutouts under his tracing paper. At least Liefeld can whip up his own pouches and grrr-faces.
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Mar 7, 2014 07:57
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McSpanky posted:Does Land ever do cons? I'd love to see him at a quick sketch table, sneaking Penthouse cutouts under his tracing paper. At least Liefeld can whip up his own pouches and grrr-faces. He's been a Chicago regular for the last decade.
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WickedHate posted:drat it. I just looked at April solicits and apparently the Son of Satan is going to be in Avengers Undercover and I really want to read it now solely for that fact.
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McSpanky posted:Does Land ever do cons? I'd love to see him at a quick sketch table, sneaking Penthouse cutouts under his tracing paper. At least Liefeld can whip up his own pouches and grrr-faces. He probably has muscle memory to do commissions given the amount of time he's traced the same faces/poses over and over again.
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McSpanky posted:Does Land ever do cons? I'd love to see him at a quick sketch table, sneaking Penthouse cutouts under his tracing paper. At least Liefeld can whip up his own pouches and grrr-faces. I saw him doing sketches at a con once. I didn't go up and talk to him, though, or check out his method.
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Waterhaul posted:He probably has muscle memory to do commissions given the amount of time he's traced the same faces/poses over and over again. Rob and pretty much everyone who ever worked for his Image division (Marat Michaels, Chap Yaep, Dan Fraga, Stephen Platt, Renato Arlem, Roger Cruz etc) were all fans of recycling as much work at possible. Look how many times Rob had repurposed previous work into a new book. He did it with his Captain America run and re retooled a Prophet story into Cable.
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Mar 7, 2014 16:15
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Man I wanna wait for the Comixology price to drop on that new Moon Knight but with all the good things I've heard about it and my insane fanboyism for Moon Knight I might have to bite the bullet.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Man I wanna wait for the Comixology price to drop on that new Moon Knight but with all the good things I've heard about it and my insane fanboyism for Moon Knight I might have to bite the bullet. It's really good, but honestly I think it's one of those books that will read way better in a collected format. I was not satisfied with just 24 pages 
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Mar 7, 2014 17:52
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All the first few issues are done-in-ones, there is an overarching story running through but it probably won't read any better collected like a standard 6 issue arc would or whatever.
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irlZaphod posted:All the first few issues are done-in-ones, there is an overarching story running through but it probably won't read any better collected like a standard 6 issue arc would or whatever. I meant because it's so good that it sucks you'll have to wait a month between each issue.
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Surely if you're an actual fan of the character and the initial word is very positive, it makes more sense to get on board now because if fans of Moon Knight won't buy his book until it's on sale, chances aren't it's not going to be around very long and it's back to waiting years before he gets another shot. I'd respectfully argue it makes more sense to trade/sale wait on high selling, established series in no danger of cancellation than ones featuring C-listers/unproven new guys.
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Mar 7, 2014 20:56
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Are books written by Warren Ellis not at a point where they would always sell well?
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Mar 7, 2014 20:57
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I wouldn't say so necessarily, but I think him doing a Moon Knight book will probably help sales. Having Shalvey and Bellaire doesn't hurt, either.
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I mean this in the best way, but Moon Knight reminded me of a slightly stuffy and more unhinged Fell.
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Sentinel Red posted:Surely if you're an actual fan of the character and the initial word is very positive, it makes more sense to get on board now because if fans of Moon Knight won't buy his book until it's on sale, chances aren't it's not going to be around very long and it's back to waiting years before he gets another shot. Kull the Conqueror posted:Are books written by Warren Ellis not at a point where they would always sell well?
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:With Ellis books the danger is more that he'll just get bored, stop writing, and blame it on the penciller. I suppose his hard drive could crash again.
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McSpanky posted:Does Land ever do cons? I'd love to see him at a quick sketch table, sneaking Penthouse cutouts under his tracing paper. At least Liefeld can whip up his own pouches and grrr-faces. He will be on one here next weekend http://www.lamole.com.mx/la-mole/invitados-especiales/ And these are what he will be doing/selling at it: Blank Cover sketch $250 USD Original Art $75 USD-onwards Original Art Covers $1000 USD Pre-Comissions: Entintado con acabado con copic markers tamaño tabloide $400 USD Entintado con acabado con copic markers tamaño carta $250 USD (I don't know the english terms for the last two though)
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I think those last two are headshot and head and torso sketches e: Actually no it's not. They're both some sort of inked art. irlZaphod fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Mar 7, 2014 |
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Mar 7, 2014 22:37
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Size of the drawing. Tabloid is a size of print and I'm assuming the Spanish is a cognate.
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Moon Knight will end with #5 when Ellis says he lost the scripts on his hard drive crash.
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"no seriously guys, my solid state drive, SkyDrive, Google Drive AND iCloud all broke at the SAME TIME" -warren ellis, 2014
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Mar 8, 2014 02:30
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How is Garth Ennis' Hitman? I won the first book for £1 on ebay.
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Sundowner posted:How is Garth Ennis' Hitman? I won the first book for £1 on ebay. It's very good, and has an issue with the best Superman characterization ever.
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Mar 8, 2014 02:57
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Its his best work ever and if there is a just God we'll see some sort of adaptation someday.
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Maybe we will if the TV series of Preacher works.
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Sundowner posted:How is Garth Ennis' Hitman? I won the first book for £1 on ebay.
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I keep reading things that make me feel like all of Ennis' stories are "Person wakes up to find out they have powers". Is it really a common theme in his books or have I just happened upon the few that feature that type of plot?
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