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Kaiser Mazoku posted:ASB voice is leagues better in my opinion.
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Why did they bother getting like a million voice actors for the game if they weren't going to use them on the show? His new voice really does sound worse than what they already had. Emerald Splash was satisfactory though I guess.
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Mar 7, 2014 17:38
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I may be mistaken but apparently the Hyperdimension Neptunia anime did very poorly and as such they couldn't afford to get the VAs for jojo back. I remember reading that somewhere.
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Mar 7, 2014 18:24
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Eh, as long as they find the right actors for each role, it won't matter if they're well known or not (as awesome as the ASB cast was). Look at how good Speedwagon, Stroheim and Caesar turned out.
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Mar 7, 2014 18:34
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ManSeriesBrofist posted:I may be mistaken but apparently the Hyperdimension Neptunia anime did very poorly and as such they couldn't afford to get the VAs for jojo back. I remember reading that somewhere. Wait, so some moe otaku-bait schlock failed, but a legitimately good JJBA adaptation succeeded? That is the strangest drat thing.
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Mar 7, 2014 18:37
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ManSeriesBrofist posted:I may be mistaken but apparently the Hyperdimension Neptunia anime did very poorly and as such they couldn't afford to get the VAs for jojo back. I remember reading that somewhere.
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Mar 7, 2014 18:41
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LordMune posted:It could be that David Production is working with a different model, but in general this is not how anime funding works. I'm kind of curious, how does funding normally work?
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Mar 7, 2014 18:46
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Generally, the distributor does the funding for the anime individually. David not making money on Neptunia doesn't mean anything for Jojo since the funding for Jojo comes from Warner, not David. Edit: Similarly, the success of the first Jojo anime actually DOES affect Stardust, since it's probably convinced Warner to give David a larger budget this time around.
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Mar 7, 2014 18:51
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It's a bit like how game developers owned/working for Publishers (like EA, Activision etc) don't necessarily gain any more money themselves if their games do well (see: Obsidian). But in anime it's usually a group of companies/sponsors coming together to divy up the pie instead of one big publisher.
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Mar 7, 2014 19:11
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Waffleman_ posted:Generally, the distributor does the funding for the anime individually. David not making money on Neptunia doesn't mean anything for Jojo since the funding for Jojo comes from Warner, not David. And with Stardust Crusaders being as popular as it is, that could easily mean an even LARGER budget for Duwang is Not Crash 
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Mar 7, 2014 19:23
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CodfishCartographer posted:And with Stardust Crusaders being as popular as it is, that could easily mean an even LARGER budget for Duwang is Not Crash And then Part 5 is MEGA popular!  Although I don't like it very much.
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Mar 7, 2014 19:27
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Waffleman_ posted:And then Part 5 is MEGA popular! Part 4 is the one I really want to see animated, but maybe the part 5 will finally let us see why Japan likes it so much.
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Mar 7, 2014 19:34
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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure is a series where every set of voice actors got replaced at one point or another for whatever reason. Might I remind at one point Norio Wakamoto voiced Dio for some drama CDs and then never voiced him again? It's not like there's ever really been a dedicated cast of VAs for JoJo, it's one of the Japanese series I can think of that's unique in that way.Broseph Brostar posted:But maybe the part 5 will finally let us see why Japan likes it so much. I'm genuinely curious about this as well, actually. There's a lot about Part 5 that intrigues me and its popularity is pretty polarizing. Captain Baal fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Mar 7, 2014 |
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Mar 7, 2014 19:41
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Waffleman_ posted:And then Part 5 is MEGA popular! Which will then lead to Part 6 getting animated. Hopefully at that point JoJo will be popular enough to warrant SBR getting animated, but I'm worried if Stone Ocean will make enough money for it 
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I think if we make it to Part 5, it's pretty safe to say this gravy train is riding us all the way to SBR.
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Mar 7, 2014 19:44
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Honestly I think Part 3 is too popular to not fund Part 4, and Part 5 is too popular to not get funded and then fund Part 6. Not sure on SBR, unfortunately, but hopefully it'll be enough money in total to make it there (and maybe Part 8 if it's done at that point)
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Mar 7, 2014 19:47
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I would literally squeal if the made a SBR anime, even if that would be a decade from now.
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Mar 7, 2014 19:51
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Kakyoin's voice is kinda weird to me but I imagine I'll get over it. What I really care about is how his laugh in the sun fight will hopefully sound like.
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Mar 7, 2014 19:52
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Just listened to the PV and while that isn't my perfect Kakyoin voice, it's still pretty good. He's a bit beefy and his presence is bombastic enough to make it work, I just think he's gonna have to get down the weirder aspects of the character before I can say if it's better or worse than any others. Basically, I await the Rubber Soul episodes.
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Mar 7, 2014 20:01
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I think part 5 would really feel better animated.
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Mar 7, 2014 20:01
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I'm afraid this Jojo train is going to stall in part 6, maybe they could cut the two of the sons of Dio and keep Bohemian Rhapsody. Then the end won't be so drawn out.
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Mar 7, 2014 20:03
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Gotta have my rods
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Keep all of Part 6. I don't care how much it could get drawn out, you are not denying me Rods and the Miami Dolphins.
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Mar 7, 2014 20:18
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I'm reserving my judgment until I hear a RERORERORERORERORERO.
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That Kakyoin voice is way better then the limp-wristed and overly sinister sounding ASB voice  . Capcom game is still probably the best, but that's more because capcom kakyoin is really silly and has a crazy voice filter.re: part 5. It's not that "only japan likes it" it's that "the few parts of the world that get official releases (so japan, itally and I think france?) of part 5 like it". The current english translation for part 5 is loving garbage. Like, there are all sorts of minor (and frankly inexcusable) issues with it, but the main problem is that it makes poo poo up based on the bits of it they could actually translate. It gets the very loose details of what is happening in the scene(mostly, there are times where it goes way of the rails and is essentially a complete rewrite) but because it almost never gets the context correct it gives scenes a completely different/less interesting feeling. Combine that with the grammar being bad but not in a funny way like duwang (oddly enough a much more accurate translation then part 5) just in a way that's boring and hard to read/process. This is why you here people complain about how they didn't like any of the characters. Like, there's no accounting for taste and all but a bunch of the scenes/lines that are referenced in ASB don't even happen in the current translation darealkooky fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Mar 7, 2014 |
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Broseph Brostar posted:I'm afraid this Jojo train is going to stall in part 6, maybe they could cut the two of the sons of Dio and keep Bohemian Rhapsody. Then the end won't be so drawn out. You really want to skip out on the rods fight where Jolyne just says gently caress it and sets herself on fire? Or the Underground fight featuring Jolyne getting stuck in a crashing plane that is in a hole in the ground under a hospital with another crashing plane near it and also the whole Larry Csonka summoned to beat them up thing? Shameful
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darealkooky posted:re: part 5 I hear lots of talk about how things are blatantly wrong in Part 5 translation, but I've always been curious about specific examples. I trust that it's bad, but am just curious about which parts are wrong other than "there's lotsa wrong parts trust me" The only one I know for sure is that the one map is inaccurate.
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I can give you a pretty good example, Narancia vs Squalo and Tizziano. When Narancia goes in for the kill on Squalo and does what is supposed to be his battle cry (Volavolavola), the translation said something along the lines of "NOW YOU DIE!" I proceed to look for scans of this part later because I was curious how accurate everything was and I get to that page and I just see loving Kana everywhere for "VOLA VOLA VOLA" which is interesting because Volare Via translates from Italian to English as "Fly away" not a command to die. That being said, Part 5 is not bereft of personality because the translation is garbage, that is only a factor of it. Part 5 is also bereft of expressive characters who interact with one another constantly and has a lovely villain whose only defining feature is his goofy character design. Literally all of the interesting stuff in Part 5 is the stands and fights.
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Just by comparing the re-done first three volumes you should be able to find tons. However, someone specifically made this http://imgur.com/Ll57EGQ, which is one of the more extreme examples because it's essentially two completely different rants. quote:Part 5 is also bereft of expressive characters who interact with one another constantly Diavolo is kinda lame but I thought the fact that he was intentionally the opposite of DIO is kinda neat. darealkooky fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Mar 7, 2014 |
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Orgia Carnaval posted:Part 5 is also bereft of expressive characters who interact with one another constantly While I don't like Part 5 this isn't true at all, Buccelati's gang is great and they're always loving around with one another.
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Did I miss something in part 6 or was it just Araki being Araki: When Pucci was gathering all the sons of dio there was a little blurb at the end of the chapter all "But Giorno is also a son of dio, maybe he's also in Florida????" and then nothing. Did I skip a chapter where he made a brief cameo or did Araki just kind of decide he didn't want Giorno ever to appear again?  "
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Did I miss something in part 6 or was it just Araki being Araki: When Pucci was gathering all the sons of dio there was a little blurb at the end of the chapter all "But Giorno is also a son of dio, maybe he's also in Florida????" and then nothing. Did I skip a chapter where he made a brief cameo or did Araki just kind of decide he didn't want Giorno ever to appear again? Araki forgets stuff all the time.
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darealkooky posted:
The earlier parts of Part 5 paint a better picture of the group than what ends up happening throughout most of the story. A lot of the earlier stuff is them loving around with each other, then when taking Trish back to Diavolo starts happening, they stop being as fun and become more dull with very few exceptions. More than half of the fights are solo. Off the top of my head I can name Black Sabbath, Sale, Formaggio, Prosciutto, Pesci, Melone, Squalo and Tizziano, Secco, Cioccolatta, and Diavolo is fought solo every time he is fought. The team stops really being goofy when the Squad shows up for the most part, notable exceptions being the end of Ghiaccio's fight and the body switching. I mean I like Narancia and Bruno, but the team of Part 5 is really boring and don't have anything like Part 3 and 4 had before it. In those the team was always in some way interacting with one another in different ways, they were teamed up with everyone at one point or another (I think Avdol/Kakyoin is like the only team that never got focus) and in Part 4's favor they were getting into all sorts of nutty stuff. It's not even character development, it's the dynamic of a group. quote:Diavolo is kinda lame but I thought the fact that he was intentionally the opposite of DIO is kinda neat. Diavolo is very damning of Part 5 as a whole, because he had a lot of buildup and Araki had no idea what his end result was going to be, which is Part 5 in a nutshell.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Did I miss something in part 6 or was it just Araki being Araki: When Pucci was gathering all the sons of dio there was a little blurb at the end of the chapter all "But Giorno is also a son of dio, maybe he's also in Florida????" and then nothing. Did I skip a chapter where he made a brief cameo or did Araki just kind of decide he didn't want Giorno ever to appear again? Just Araki being Araki. There are a few times in the series where things like that happen. I always just assumed that Araki had plans to start off with and then just changed his mind, like how (more stone ocean stuff) Annasui was a girl when he first showed up or the various bits in part 4 like characters suddenly becoming shorter, or the thing with Josuke's backstory regarding his hair that I'm sure everybody reading thought would be explained as like a time travel thing later but it turned out to just be some unrelated person. Araki isn't afraid to change his mind about poo poo I guess and as much as I'd have loved to see Giorno at least cameo in part 6's climax, we just have to accept what Araki put out.
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I think at the time he wrote that Araki was considering putting Giorno into the finale but decided he didn't fit in anywhere and left him out.
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Orgia Carnaval posted:Diavolo is very damning of Part 5 as a whole, because he had a lot of buildup and Araki had no idea what his end result was going to be, which is Part 5 in a nutshell. Did you only read part 5 via the bad scans, or no? I'm not trying to say that you can't like part 5 or anything, just curious.
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FirstAidKite posted:You really want to skip out on the rods fight where Jolyne just says gently caress it and sets herself on fire? Oh poo poo how could I forget about one of the most badass pages in all of jojo?  Jolyne truly is the most badass Jojo, and she ironically has the worst stand of any protagonist. The way that her and Hermes have seemingly crappy stands but make up for it by doing extremely clever things with them is easily the best part of part 6.
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My favorite example of bad translation in part 5 is this one: Compare with a competent translation:  Notice how the stuff that Polpo says seems perfectly plausible until you check the accurate translation and realize that these people literally did not know how to transliterate ミケランジェロ.
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FirstAidKite posted:Just Araki being Araki. There are a few times in the series where things like that happen. I always just assumed that Araki had plans to start off with and then just changed his mind, like how (more stone ocean stuff) Annasui was a girl when he first showed up or the various bits in part 4 like characters suddenly becoming shorter, or the thing with Josuke's backstory regarding his hair that I'm sure everybody reading thought would be explained as like a time travel thing later but it turned out to just be some unrelated person. Araki isn't afraid to change his mind about poo poo I guess and as much as I'd have loved to see Giorno at least cameo in part 6's climax, we just have to accept what Araki put out. It's really astonishing just how much Araki doesn't give a poo poo about changing things even after they've happened, like with Going Underground being renamed to Born This Way.
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WickedHate posted:It's really astonishing just how much Araki doesn't give a poo poo about changing things even after they've happened, like with Going Underground being renamed to Born This Way. I wonder if Araki retcons more or less than Hideo Kojima.
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