|
BizarroAzrael posted:Should I be looking to move my Shocklands any time soon, or at least the ones I'm not using? I figure their price will dip at rotation as a lot come onto the market, but I don't know what will happen over time, when all these cards are only wanted for Modern. Don't forget about Bitterblossom. 
|
#
?
Mar 7, 2014 21:51
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 3, 2024 07:57 |
|
|
AlternateNu posted:Bwwahaha. Bitchin'. Knight Errant and Hero of Bladehold were two of the only rares I've been looking to throw in my EDH deck. That product has an MRSP of $70! 
|
|
#
?
Mar 7, 2014 22:20
|
|
|
bhsman posted:That product has an MRSP of $70! Jesus...Is the deck even worth that? I know the Elspeth is worth like $15 now.
|
|
#
?
Mar 7, 2014 22:30
|
|
|
bhsman posted:That product has an MRSP of $70! $75! 
|
|
#
?
Mar 7, 2014 22:34
|
|
|
Maybe wizards is intentionally not overadvertising the money rare(s)? Yeah who am I kidding.
|
|
#
?
Mar 7, 2014 22:35
|
|
|
WB tokens event deck means Scalding Tarn $200 by the deck's release.
|
|
#
?
Mar 7, 2014 22:36
|
|
|
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a Marsh Flats in there. It wouldn't exactly call out to be named in that deck description like the other cards.
|
|
#
?
Mar 7, 2014 22:38
|
|
|
The advertising on the box is supposed to draw people in that didn't already know about it. The people that care about the price of marsh flats will not be the ones who will end up buying the product because of its description, and the people that might decide to buy it because of its description wouldn't care about a marsh flats because lands aren't the exciting part of a deck.
|
|
#
?
Mar 7, 2014 22:43
|
|
|
Most event decks have been fairly costed or slightly undercosted on the whole. So we should expect it to be in the right range of value, and possibly a great deal depending on how friendly they are feeling. Either bitterblossom or a fetch(I'm kind of hesitant because only one of five legal fetches getting extra push is kind of weird) would easily put it over. It mentions black disruption so a pair of thoughtseizes or so would kick it to about right as well.
|
|
#
?
Mar 7, 2014 22:48
|
|
|
True Kabanaw. Is they guy able to crack the box? I'm curious about what numbers of the money cards they include. The blurb at the back mentions disruption. IoK or Thoughseize? 1 or 2 or 4 marsh flats, etc.
|
|
#
?
Mar 7, 2014 22:49
|
|
|
Fuzzy Mammal posted:True Kabanaw. Is they guy able to crack the box? I'm curious about what numbers of the money cards they include. The blurb at the back mentions disruption. IoK or Thoughseize? 1 or 2 or 4 marsh flats, etc. He said he saw it at an event (probably Richmond) in a case.
|
|
#
?
Mar 7, 2014 22:50
|
|
|
Then again, there's this tweet with regards to the modern event deck. That might just be a coverup who knows 
|
|
#
?
Mar 7, 2014 22:54
|
|
|
Tharizdun posted:Technically, Mistform Ultimus is a vanilla 3/3, and just has all 1200 creature types on its type line. For a practical application, Humility would make a creature with Changeling into a shapeshifter with no other types, while it wouldn't affect Mistform Ultimus other than giving it -2/-2. That's wrong. Both abilities behave the same. Both Mistform Ultimus and Chameleon Colossus would be every creature type under the effect of Humility. Changeling, like Ultimus's ability, is a type-changing effect and is applied in layer 4 before ability-removing effects in layer 6. The only difference is that changeling is a keyword ability, and there could be a card that said, "Destroy target creature with changeling." Applebees fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Mar 7, 2014 |
|
#
?
Mar 7, 2014 23:06
|
|
|
Ok so an interesting tech in Block Constructed Junk Reanimator decks going around that could maybe be used in the Std Junk deck, using Astral Cornucopia as a mana-fixer and ramper against mid-range decks.Fuzzy Mammal posted:True Kabanaw. Is they guy able to crack the box? I'm curious about what numbers of the money cards they include. The blurb at the back mentions disruption. IoK or Thoughseize? 1 or 2 or 4 marsh flats, etc.
|
|
#
?
Mar 7, 2014 23:09
|
|
|
Alaan posted:(I'm kind of hesitant because only one of five legal fetches getting extra push is kind of weird) There's precedent. There have been (standard) event decks that had like a single fetch or shock.
|
|
#
?
Mar 7, 2014 23:10
|
|
|
Korak posted:Ok so an interesting tech in Block Constructed Junk Reanimator decks going around that could maybe be used in the Std Junk deck, using Astral Cornucopia as a mana-fixer and ramper against mid-range decks. Yeah, there's not much else it could have been if you assumed it was going to be at least loosely based on a known tier-2 deck but wasn't going to have 4-ofs of a bunch of rares. I wouldn't be surprised at 1-2 Inquistion of Kozilek and a single Marsh Flats being in there in addition to what's listed on the back. Applebees posted:That's wrong. Both abilities behave the same. Both Mistform Ultimus and Chameleon Colossus would be every creature type under the effect of Humility. Changeling, like Ultimus's ability, is a type-changing effect, and is applied in layer 4 before ability-removing effects in layer 6. So with Humility out, a creature with Changeling would have every creature type but wouldn't have the Changeling ability? 
|
|
#
?
Mar 7, 2014 23:13
|
|
|
Entropic posted:So with Humility out, a creature with Changeling would have every creature type but wouldn't have the Changeling ability? That's correct. Another weird thing is, if you notice, Mutavault doesn't gain changeling when you animate it. If it did, the changeling ability wouldn't do anything. It would gain changeling in layer 6, which would be too late for changeling's effect to apply. Mutavault would be a creature with changeling and no creature types.
|
|
#
?
Mar 7, 2014 23:37
|
|
|
Patrick Chapin is giving some kind of Modern deck building seminar thing right now and before going to a mini break he called the audience(150-250 people) in front of him "deranged." 
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 01:50
|
|
|
Excellent. I have a bunch of the components for B/ W tokens, it's. Deck I really want to build for modern, and this should fill it out very nicely.
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 02:11
|
|
|
Balon posted:I'm playing the BG graveyard deck that's just on the fringes of being playable and I don't think it or reanimator are going to be a thing until JiN comes out. The BG God, BW God, and BG Scryland alone will mean big things for both decks. Sure we don't know what the enemy-colored Gods will do yet, but being able to fit it in to these decks means a LOT. Honestly I think the BG deck is actually really solid, just very easily hated out. If no-one's playing graveyard hate, it beats up on top-tier decks really well. RG monsters struggles to deal with anything once it gets bigger than its own guys, and gets absolutely wrecked by Shadowborn Demon. Bestow laughs at mono-B Devotion. Supreme Verdict is probably only going to be a 1:1 against you. The only things that really give it trouble are mono-U Devotion (which can probably play a better tempo game), and Kiora. It's probably too early to be picking things for block, but if JiN gives one more dredger (to replace Grisly Salvage), and no meaningful graveyard hate, it's probably going to be a block constructed deck to beat. Not overpowering (since you do lose Deathrite and Shadowborn Demon), but still really solid.
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 03:24
|
|
|
Jabor posted:Honestly I think the BG deck is actually really solid, just very easily hated out. If no-one's playing graveyard hate, it beats up on top-tier decks really well. RG monsters struggles to deal with anything once it gets bigger than its own guys, and gets absolutely wrecked by Shadowborn Demon. Bestow laughs at mono-B Devotion. Supreme Verdict is probably only going to be a 1:1 against you. The only things that really give it trouble are mono-U Devotion (which can probably play a better tempo game), and Kiora. Block version loses out on Jarad as well, which I've found to be an essential finisher in the deck. Throwing a jacked up Nemesis in an opponent's face is crazy good.
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 04:03
|
|
|
Balon posted:Block version loses out on Jarad as well, which I've found to be an essential finisher in the deck. Throwing a jacked up Nemesis in an opponent's face is crazy good. I'm not even running Jarad at the moment (though I probably should be, once I figure out what to cut for it) - Herald of Torment is more-or-less sufficient to get you past chump blockers, and should keep doing the job fine in Block.
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 04:15
|
|
|
netcat posted:Consecrated Sphinx is the dumbest possible card in multiplayer Come back when you've played in a game where two different players had one out, then you can talk about dumb.
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 04:41
|
|
|
MiddleEastBeast posted:Come back when you've played in a game where two different players had one out, then you can talk about dumb. Consecrated Sphinx is the card that helps you find out exactly how many Clone effects your opponents are playing.
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 05:03
|
|
|
Jabor posted:I'm not even running Jarad at the moment (though I probably should be, once I figure out what to cut for it) - Herald of Torment is more-or-less sufficient to get you past chump blockers, and should keep doing the job fine in Block. The combo of him self-reanimating and throwing other threats for reach make him an auto-include 2-of (I run a third in the board as well). Herald is fantastic but if you're stalled in the air as well (DD, Kiora, etc) Jarad ensures that you can Voltron up a threat and one-turn-win. Swing through/over (Troll/Herald) then fling for the win. I played the deck at game day and Jarad won games for me multiple times.
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 05:04
|
|
|
JerryLee posted:There's precedent. There have been (standard) event decks that had like a single fetch or shock. Keyword being standard.
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 05:12
|
|
|
Balon posted:The combo of him self-reanimating and throwing other threats for reach make him an auto-include 2-of (I run a third in the board as well). Herald is fantastic but if you're stalled in the air as well (DD, Kiora, etc) Jarad ensures that you can Voltron up a threat and one-turn-win. Swing through/over (Troll/Herald) then fling for the win. Would love to see a list
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 05:24
|
|
|
BizarroAzrael posted:Should I be looking to move my Shocklands any time soon, or at least the ones I'm not using? I figure their price will dip at rotation as a lot come onto the market, but I don't know what will happen over time, when all these cards are only wanted for Modern. Brainstorm brewery just talked about this this week. They seemed to think that values probably won't fall a ton because everyone is expecting value to fall, so people buying into the normal rotation sell-out will balance the price. Their precedent for this includes snapcaster and LOTV. Personally, I'm probably going to get my playset of shocks by rotation, cost be damned, even for colors I have no present intention of playing. WotC is going to keep pushing modern, and as long as that happens, shocklands will trend up.
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 06:45
|
|
|
Jabor posted:Honestly I think the BG deck is actually really solid, just very easily hated out. If no-one's playing graveyard hate, it beats up on top-tier decks really well. RG monsters struggles to deal with anything once it gets bigger than its own guys, and gets absolutely wrecked by Shadowborn Demon. Bestow laughs at mono-B Devotion. Supreme Verdict is probably only going to be a 1:1 against you. The only things that really give it trouble are mono-U Devotion (which can probably play a better tempo game), and Kiora. The issue is that if it sees much play at all, every green deck will bring in Scavenging Ooze, and then it will be terrible. You can deal with graveyard hate, but it's a lot harder to deal with maindeck graveyard hate that is also a huge creature that gains the opponent a ton of life. It might be a thing in Block if the BG God uses the graveyard in some way, but it's obviously too early to tell.
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 06:57
|
|
|
Sharzak posted:Would love to see a list For you my friend, let's take a look at the Brewhaus: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3572508&pagenumber=74#post426689823
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 07:02
|
|
|
Just got back from FNM. Went 3-2 and took 8th out of 25 people playing my own version of red deck wins. Pulled 2 Kiora's out of a booster box and a third out of one of the booster packs I won, along with the sweet Banisher Priest promo. All in all it was a good night 
morning wood fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Mar 8, 2014 |
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 07:28
|
|
|
Ahhh, I just bought everything to complete BW tokens lest week, minus Marsh flats. I did just spend about 70 to get an Elspeth, Auriok Champions, Heroes, And a few other cheap cards. At least my Elspeth is a kickin' rad German one.
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 07:35
|
|
|
Boxman posted:Personally, I'm probably going to get my playset of shocks by rotation, cost be damned, even for colors I have no present intention of playing. WotC is going to keep pushing modern, and as long as that happens, shocklands will trend up.
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 07:47
|
|
|
GoutPatrol posted:Ahhh, I just bought everything to complete BW tokens lest week, minus Marsh flats. I did just spend about 70 to get an Elspeth, Auriok Champions, Heroes, And a few other cheap cards. At least my Elspeth is a kickin' rad German one. So would you say the Event deck would be a decent buy, especially if they have 1 Marsh Flats included? If so I'll buy another to finish my Flats playset. EDIT: Also Heroes are great in this Italia deck I brewed up, the 4 toughness, token generation, and Battle Cry effect is so good.
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 07:48
|
|
|
Boxn posted:So would you say the Event deck would be a decent buy, especially if they have 1 Marsh Flats included? If so I'll buy another to finish my Flats playset. If you're going to build BW Tokens from scratch, and not including sideboard and lands, it will cost somewhere in the ballpark of 150 dollars. The price went down a little because Deathrite was a 4-of in most decks. I started playing during Innistrad, so I didn't have that many parts already (basically just Lingering Souls, Intangible Virtue, Godless Shrines, and 1-ofs Isolated Chapel and Vault of the Archangel.) 4x Thoughtseize (75-90) 3-4 Auriok Champion (35-40) 1x Elspeth, Knight Errant (15-20) 2x Hero of Bladehold (7.50-10) 1x Sorin, Lord of Innistrad (5-7) 3x Honor the Pure (3) 4x Spectral Posession (6-8) 4x Zealous Persecution (5) 4x Path to Exile (20) 4x Tidehallow Sculler (1) 4x Raise the Alarm (1) You can make some cheap-o adjustments if you want (Burrenton Forge-Tender instead of Auirok Champion, Cloudgoat Ranger and Devouring Greed instead of Hero of Bladehold and Planeswalkers, Duress instead of Thoughtseize and IoK) but if you already have the Godless Shrines and Thoughtseizes, then the rest of the deck is pretty cheap to build. Just build the rest of the deck up first and then slowly pick up the needed lands (Marsh Flats, Windbrisk Heights, Fetid Heath maybe Caves of Koilos.) If the event deck has most of these non-land pieces in multiples, then I would consider it a pretty good buy.
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 12:36
|
|
|
Well, seems MTGO poo poo the bed again. A buttload of matches locked up; a game would end but it wouldn't trigger as a win. Great thing to have happen the morning of the MOCS finals.
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 14:43
|
|
|
BaronVonVaderham posted:Well, seems MTGO poo poo the bed again. A buttload of matches locked up; a game would end but it wouldn't trigger as a win.  I'm looking forward to GP Richmond today. My predictions for Top 8: Affinity and Combo mostly, maybe 1 Little Zoo deck that wins faster than combo. UWR will be unplayable for 15 rounds going long each game, except for the seasoned veterans of the deck. Twin will do well but I think people are gonna attempt to hate it out or know how to play around it. Blood Moon decks may end up still surprising people. They have been doing really good online and it's a simple hoser that kills newer players that just copy deck lists.
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 15:42
|
|
|
How are everyone's FNM's structured? I moved from MD to MI a few weeks ago and have been starting to try new stores. The stores in Maryland I played at ran 3 rounds for draft regardless of attendance and paid out packs based on record (3-0 gets six packs down to 1-1-1 gets one pack). We were also never paired outside our pods, which I liked. The store I played at last night runs rounds depending on attendance and some of the regulars mentioned that they've done as many as 5 rounds. Prize payout goes to the top X, which isn't decided until the very end. The weirdest/worst thing was that they didn't pair within pods but also didn't make any effort to even out the pods, so I was in a pod of 6 when there were two other pods of 8 which makes the draft feel wonky. It also (seemed to) made the decks weaker in comparison to 8 man decks, I drafted a sweet Mogis Minotaur deck that ran over anyone I played in my pod but folded to anything reasonably drafted from other pods. I'll probably keep checking out stores, I like this one because it's clean, pretty well run, and doesn't have an intolerable group of local players, but I'd like for my FNM's to be more predictable.
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 15:46
|
|
|
My store does 3 rounds, unless you get over an 8man, in which case that pod is 4 round. We definitely only pair within pods, which is especially relevant since we rare redraft, using pod standings, and redrafting from our own pods rares only. The store has started doing booster prizes as well lately, 3 packs for a win, 2nd and 3rd get 2 packs and 4th gets a pack.
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 16:00
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 3, 2024 07:57 |
|
|
SCG is doing coverage from Round 1 at GP Richmond and the stream has just gone live. http://www.twitch.tv/scglive/
|
|
#
?
Mar 8, 2014 16:33
|
|
