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I don't particularly trust the Washington Times as a source. Why were the police raiding Witaschek's house? edit: apparently, because his estranged wife said he threatened her with a gun. This is the second time they found ammo in his house. On Boonstra, it appears the actual cost calculation never occurred. Boonstra was probably used as a sympathetic face, and her story was what Obamacare opponents wanted to hear, so the facts were unimportant. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Mar 8, 2014 |
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On David Gregory: An ATF official told NBC that displaying an empty magazine would be legal. The official was wrong, due to some miscommunication between the ATF person and an individual at the MPD, but it's not like Gregory was trying to openly flout law enforcement, which was a factor in the decision not to prosecute (along with the fact that he was trying to fulfill the press's role of informing the public about an ongoing policy debate). As for the idea that Witaschek is being prosecuted mercilessly, he was offered a plea deal for a $500 fine and no jail. He refused. Oh, and the police were searching his home because of allegations that he threatened his estranged wife with a gun. Incidentally, if you'd like to see all the details LeJackal omitted from the WT article he quoted from, here's the article in full.
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AtraMorS posted:Incidentally, if you'd like to see all the details LeJackal omitted from the WT article he quoted from, here's the article in full. There is some good stuff in there, like the court finding that the allegations of him making threats were completely baseless. Sorry I didn't include a link in my post. I'll be sure to do so next time.
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LeJackal posted:There is some good stuff in there, like the court finding that the allegations of him making threats were completely baseless. The judge also didn't make that ruling until August, 2012, and simply cited a lack of evidence for the phone call, not that the claim was "completely baseless." quote:But in court, Judge Jose Lopez denied Ms. Landinez’s request for a civil protection order (CPO) (and financial support) in Aug. 2012, saying there was no evidence of a threatening phone call. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/23/trial-mark-witaschek-washington-dc-one-shotgun-she/?page=all (Yes, I feel dirty quoting the Times.) AtraMorS fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Mar 8, 2014 |
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There has to be more to this story than is being reported. If they are going after him that much and the only thing they had was someone's word that he said something then it was an overreach by law enforcement.
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dalstrs posted:There has to be more to this story than is being reported. If they are going after him that much and the only thing they had was someone's word that he said something then it was an overreach by law enforcement. Or maybe it is just an overreach by law enforcement? No need to try propping up your Just World fallacy.
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quote:Who told you that was "perfectly fine," you dumb gently caress? Tons of people on both sides of the aisle, including the ACLU, came down hard on Chicago for even proposing the idea and nothing ever came of it. And that was like two years ago.
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Mar 8, 2014 20:56
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If one liberal proposes an idea, all liberals like the idea. Duh.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:If one liberal proposes an idea, all liberals like the idea. Duh. One of us, one of us! Now let me tell you about a little thing that all the 
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 I don't know what's worse; the "peaceful" Russian invasion of Crimea; claiming that the US started the Korean War or cleaning that the USSR didn't have any links to North Vietnam... I've posted about this guy before, he's a literal emo brony fascist; so his statuses are usually really funny...
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All Russia ever did was invade this one country one time. Nothing else. They certainly were not the other world power asserting dominance throughout the Cold War. And they never killed any German Civilians during WW2. Nope, just good old peaceful Russia.
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Mar 8, 2014 21:58
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That is a guy who really misunderstood why the Gulf of Tonkin incident was bullshit.
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Re-shared by a conservative white male from a group called "political correctness gone wild":
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seiferguy posted:Re-shared by a conservative white male from a group called "political correctness gone wild": "When is my Straight White Male History Month?" 
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LeJackal posted:Or maybe it is just an overreach by law enforcement? No need to try propping up your Just World fallacy. It's possible, but it's hard to get that from your heavily edited quotations of an article in a Mooney newspaper.
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vyelkin posted:"When is my Straight White Male History Month?" A British comedian named Richard Herring spent most of yesterday (International Women's Day) responding to all the 'So, is there going to be an International Men's day? Thought not libtards  ' twitter posts. It's November 19th. http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/08/16-people-who-completely-missed-the-point-of-international-womens-day-4479014/
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dalstrs posted:There has to be more to this story than is being reported. If they are going after him that much and the only thing they had was someone's word that he said something then it was an overreach by law enforcement. A criminal complaint was filed against him for domestic violence and making threats to use a deadly weapon. He consented to a search of his home, which was conducted without a warrant but with his consent. The search determined that he was in violation of the law. He was offered a plea deal, he rejected it and insisted on going to trial. In what way is any of that "going after him that much"?
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Wasn't there another right-libertarian who got arrested for smoking a joint in public. What happened to him? Also who gives a gently caress about David Gregory?
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McDowell posted:Wasn't there another right-libertarian who got arrested for smoking a joint in public. What happened to him? He works in DC, same city as Obongo. Probably eats arugula. Thinks he's better than me!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_permit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_registration#United_States
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seiferguy posted:Re-shared by a conservative white male from a group called "political correctness gone wild":
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Guilty Spork posted:What is it with conservatives completely and utterly failing to understand any hint of context? They don't get a lot of things - irony being another big one.
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Keshik posted:He had unregistered firearms in a district where it is unlawful to possess such things without them being registered. He didn't have an registered firearm, the gun he had was exempt because it was an antique. It was the 2nd search in a month. His underage daughter let the police in. Being offered a plea deal because he had a single shotgun shell is dumb. And I think it was his ex-wife said he threatened her. The word of one person should not be enough to search someones house. I'm as liberal as the next guy, but from the source that was posted it looks like a bullshit excuse to hassle a guy. Like I said before it is possible poo poo was left out of the article posted but if the facts of the article were a correct account of what happened it was an overreach by police.
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Mar 9, 2014 18:38
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Mo_Steel posted:Affording Health Care and Education on the Minimum Wage Isn't it a better argument to approach it from the perspective that even if everyone automagically had enough money, intelligence, drive, etc etc to get a college degree or even a PHD, you literally cannot have a society where no one is working minimum wage?
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gradenko_2000 posted:Isn't it a better argument to approach it from the perspective that even if everyone automagically had enough money, intelligence, drive, etc etc to get a college degree or even a PHD, you literally cannot have a society where no one is working minimum wage? Depends on the person you are arguing the subject with honestly. Some people respond to an argument on numbers, some people respond to an argument on morals. I do think arguing that 'because somebody is going to have to wash cars / make hamburgers / wait tables / clean toilets that we should guarantee that jobs pay an acceptable minimum rate for more than barely surviving in poverty' is a valid argument to make on moral grounds, but a one of the reasons people argue that it's acceptable to pay those jobs a tiny pittance is the argument that people can readily and easily escape those jobs with the smallest of efforts and thus those people are shiftless slacker moocher bums who want free stuff forever. In essence I'm angling at the supporting argument with my response. If people can't easily or readily escape terribly paying jobs is it still ethical to oppose paying people who may be trapped in those jobs wages that are barely survivable? Mo_Steel fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Mar 9, 2014 |
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dalstrs posted:And I think it was his ex-wife said he threatened her. The word of one person should not be enough to search someones house. Just a hint, dismissing domestic violence out of hand does mean you're a pretty lovely liberal at best.
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rkajdi posted:Just a hint, dismissing domestic violence out of hand does mean you're a pretty lovely liberal at best. Alleged. It's not dismissing domestic violence to say that an allegation of domestic violence isn't enough for a search of a house. prom candy fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Mar 9, 2014 |
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prom candy posted:Alleged. It's not dismissing domestic violence to say that an allegation of domestic violence isn't enough for a search of a house. If someone alleges domestic violence with a weapon, looking for a weapon in their possession is not overkill, sorry dude.
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13Pandora13 posted:If someone alleges domestic violence with a weapon, looking for a weapon in their possession is not overkill, sorry dude. So if your ex-girlfriend says you threatened to shoot her it is ok for the police to search your house?
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dalstrs posted:So if your ex-girlfriend says you threatened to shoot her it is ok for the police to search your house? I suppose the counter would be "should the police's hands be tied if someone threatens to shoot you?"
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dalstrs posted:So if your ex-girlfriend says you threatened to shoot her it is ok for the police to search your house? When my ex boyfriend threatened to shoot me, yes, I totally hope the police searched his house. (edit) Here's the thing - if she was lying, and the search turned up nothing, she would be liable for making a false report. You don't get to willy-nilly make false reports, and police can/should take appropriate action to assess/investigate threats. He had an illegal weapon (?). It's not as if he did nothing wrong. 13Pandora13 fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Mar 9, 2014 |
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13Pandora13 posted:If someone alleges domestic violence with a weapon, looking for a weapon in their possession is not overkill, sorry dude. For real. This is one of the few times that law enforcement got a domestic violence issue right, but because it was against some gun nut he gets to try to spin it as "poor me" versus "I am a poo poo who threatens to hurt my ex". And he's too drat dumb to follow the laws about the thing he's supposedly passionate about, sounds like a winning combination.
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Inspector Hound posted:I suppose the counter would be "should the police's hands be tied if someone threatens to shoot you?" I would say if the only thing the police can do is search a house then their hands are already tied. 13Pandora13 posted:When my ex boyfriend threatened to shoot me, yes, I totally hope the police searched his house. And if they find a gun does that mean he said it? All we have is your word against his. A large percent of the population owns guns, so finding a gun would be evidence of nothing and would not prove that he ever threatened you. Edit: didn't see the last part before I replied, but very rarely do people get charged with making false accusations. If they don't find a gun it doesn't prove anything either, he very well could have threatened her, still it doesn't prove anything one way or the other. dalstrs fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Mar 9, 2014 |
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dalstrs posted:So if your ex-girlfriend says you threatened to shoot her it is ok for the police to search your house? Yes, especially when said person is a resident of an area requiring mandatory fire arm registration, and in which he isn't on the registry. That is pretty straight forward PC.
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dalstrs posted:I would say if the only thing the police can do is search a house then their hands are already tied. If someone allegedly makes a threat with a weapon, the police should assess if they are capable of carrying that threat out. I'm going to assume you've never been through domestic courts and the restraining order process, but it's NOT easy. It's not a matter of you just say something and they take your word for it.
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dalstrs posted:And if they find a gun does that mean he said it? All we have is your word against his. A large percent of the population owns guns, so finding a gun would be evidence of nothing and would not prove that he ever threatened you. He still violated the firearms law! I loving love how this is immediately turned to being the woman's fault, even though she's the accuser not the accused. Can we get some rape dismissal in here for some extra misogyny?
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Sure, hang on, I can do that and more. It wasn't her fault she hallucinated her husband threatened her, she was forced to do it by her ovaries.  , y'all! Besides, all this is talk about wimmin is a distraction from the real issue: why didn't he shoot all those cops who invaded his sovereign property?
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I'm not defending this guy because it seems pretty obvious that he's a shithead who is guilty, but if an allegation of domestic violence is enough for a search why didn't the police have a warrant? I'm not arguing that the woman's wrong, or anything like that. I'm arguing that I don't want police combing through my poo poo because of an allegation.
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rkajdi posted:He still violated the firearms law! I loving love how this is immediately turned to being the woman's fault, even though she's the accuser not the accused. Can we get some rape dismissal in here for some extra misogyny? I'm speaking in general terms for it being PC, not this specific case. I never said it was the woman's fault. The fact of the matter is one person's word should not be probable cause to search someone's house. If it is then you can get anyone's house searched because they piss you off. prom candy posted:I'm not defending this guy because it seems pretty obvious that he's a shithead who is guilty, but if an allegation of domestic violence is enough for a search why didn't the police have a warrant? Exactly.
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And another thing what if she lies about being on birth control, can I force her to get an abortion to counteract this spermjacking?! I'm just asking questions here, it's a troubling world we live in for men.
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