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Rust Martialis posted:A Yes slapfight is so He might well be, but what good is Yes without Jon 
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Mar 10, 2014 13:39
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Nobody Interesting posted:He might well be, but what good is Yes without Jon New guy sounded fine to me. vOv
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Mar 10, 2014 14:47
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Rust Martialis posted:A Yes slapfight is so I also do King Crimson, Gentle Giant, VDGG, and Genesis slapfights. I will fight anyone over the internet about Nursery Cryme
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Mar 10, 2014 15:00
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Pro- or anti- Nursery Cryme? I'm very much pro- and slapfights are what being a progressive rock fan is all about, after all. Edit: In other news, Gazpacho have a new album out in a week, and it sounds really promising from the trailer. IMO, they've yet to have a truly great album besides Night, but I'm feeling optimistic about this one. Rollersnake fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Mar 10, 2014 |
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Mar 10, 2014 15:01
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whaaaaaaat Are there people out there who actually think Nursery Cryme is a bad album?
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Mar 10, 2014 15:02
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Seventh Arrow posted:whaaaaaaat Dave Kerman (president of ReR USA, in lots of great prog bands) doesn't think highly of it, I know that much. At one of the NEARfests I heard him comparing The Fountain of Salmacis to the Mickey Mouse march. But the guy also loves The Missing Piece the most of any Gentle Giant album and is very much on the avant garde side of prog, so I don't quite know what to make of that. Rollersnake fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Mar 10, 2014 |
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Mar 10, 2014 15:11
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^^The Missing Piece? Ewww Firmly pro but I know lots of people who hate it (keyboard washes on Fountain of Salmacis are cheesy, what is going on with Harold the Barrel, Giant Hogweed is repetitive, etc.)
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Mar 10, 2014 16:05
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Declan MacManus posted:Tales from Topographic Oceans is kind of garbage. It's everything that people hate about progressive rock (well, 70's progressive rock) blown up into a double LP. It's so weird to hear people defend it, even in the prog thread. That's why Tales is so great though! It's everything wrong with prog in a handy double LP.
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Mar 10, 2014 16:15
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I quite enjoyed listening to Tales after I started to forget its critical reputation
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Mar 10, 2014 16:36
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Declan MacManus posted:^^The Missing Piece? Ewww Nursery Cryme is my favorite Genesis album. Steve Hackett is at his best on it.
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Mar 10, 2014 16:44
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Henchman of Santa posted:Nursery Cryme is my favorite Genesis album. Steve Hackett is at his best on it. Yeah, that phrygian motif he uses on "The Musical Box" is really cool. Also, his tone throughout the album is awesome.
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Mar 10, 2014 17:10
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Rust Martialis posted:New guy sounded fine to me. vOv Jon Anderson's voice cannot be matched and it defines Yes It might be slightly acceptable if Jon's expulsion from the band was a bit more amicable. He was basically dying and the band hired a tribute band singer to replace him without really even consulting him. When said tribute band singer fell ill as well, they basically did the same thing. I don't know if I really want to see Yes live now. Would love it if Jon and Rick did another acoustic bit, though. My dad saw them a few years ago. Have a picture of him and Jon, smile on dad's face might be bigger than the one in his wedding photos. Can't replace Jon Anderson 
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Mar 10, 2014 20:52
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Yes is a business and they will fire you and replace you with your son because they don't give a gently caress, man E: Incidentally, their lead single from their new album was rejected from Drama.
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Mar 10, 2014 21:03
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Nobody Interesting posted:Jon Anderson's voice cannot be matched and it defines Yes Aren't they all basically dying? I think Yes was going to come tour in my country a fair while ago until Rick Wakeman (or maybe it was Jon Anderson) fell ill and they cancelled. I rarely go to live music concerts because most of my favourite bands disbanded in the 70s or half their original members are dead, so it was very disappointing. EDIT - They didn't cancel, but it looks like both of them got sick. Maybe I just had no money for the concert. Octy fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Mar 10, 2014 |
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Mar 10, 2014 21:37
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Octy posted:Aren't they all basically dying? I think Yes was going to come tour in my country a fair while ago until Rick Wakeman (or maybe it was Jon Anderson) fell ill and they cancelled. I rarely go to live music concerts because most of my favourite bands disbanded in the 70s or half their original members are dead, so it was very disappointing. A lot of these old bands are surprisingly non-cadaverous. Jon himself is actually fairly healthy these days, but was booted out because he had a severe asthma attack. Hell, Hawkwind are still going sounding as good as they did day one with Dave Brock pushing 73. Absolute privilege seeing them last December (alright so they're not really prog, but point still stands). Actually - are they prog? Are Hawkwind prog? Assault & Battery is prog, right?
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Mar 10, 2014 21:45
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Nobody Interesting posted:Hell, Hawkwind are still going sounding as good as they did day one with Dave Brock pushing 73. Absolute privilege seeing them last December (alright so they're not really prog, but point still stands). Actually - are they prog? Are Hawkwind prog? Assault & Battery is prog, right? Well, they have a page at prog archves, but that site seems somewhat liberal about what they consider prog. I mean, even Triumph has a page there.
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Mar 10, 2014 23:04
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Whoa whoa whoa. Who de-progged triumph?
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Mar 10, 2014 23:10
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Seriously? Are you saying that albums like Allied Forces and Thunder Seven sound like prog?
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Mar 11, 2014 00:07
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Full disclosure: I haven't listened to triumph since I was 12. My copy of thunder seven looks like a taco shell. Otherwise id give it a spin. I always in my head lumped triumph in with progressive hard rock bands like Savatage though.
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Mar 11, 2014 00:14
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Nobody Interesting posted:Awaken is a bit more than just a diamond in the rough, buddy. Awaken's on GFTO though so it makes the cutoff.
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Mar 11, 2014 06:35
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Rollersnake posted:Pro- or anti- Nursery Cryme? I'm very much pro- and slapfights are what being a progressive rock fan is all about, after all. Nursery Cryme is my favorite Genesis album.
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Mar 11, 2014 06:36
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Gianthogweed posted:Nursery Cryme is my favorite Genesis album. Truly shocking.
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Mar 11, 2014 06:36
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Speaking of stuff that's not Prog. I've been listening a lot to Brian Eno's early albums, that poo poo is awesome. "Taking Tiger Mountain (by Strategy)" and "Before an After Science" especially. But apparently it's "Art Rock"! "King's Lead Hat" (with Robert Fripp on guitar) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp0k_o8gfQI Super strict genre definitions are stupid anyway... I just like listening to music that's creative and different and the label Prog has pointed me to lots of interesting bands but using it only for classic Prog like Yes, King Crimson, Genesis, etc. seems weird and not very ... progressive 
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Mar 11, 2014 11:26
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Gianthogweed posted:Awaken's on GFTO though so it makes the cutoff. To be honest I haven't heard all of GFTO and I only heard Awaken from the Yes 35th anniversary compilation CD. It's a pretty awful CD because it has Owner of a Lonely Heart on it.
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Mar 11, 2014 13:02
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loose-fish posted:Speaking of stuff that's not Prog. I've been listening a lot to Brian Eno's early albums, that poo poo is awesome. "Taking Tiger Mountain (by Strategy)" and "Before an After Science" especially. But apparently it's "Art Rock"! Well, there's always been sort-of "halfway prog" bands like Uriah Heep, Deep Purple, Blue Oyster Cult, etc. I like to refer to it as "gateway prog." You know, you can play it to kids in your neighbourhood, just to give them a little taste, then BAM! They're ready for a hit of the big stuff. Before you know it, they're scouring some back-alley second hand record store for their next fix (some obscure Canterbury scene album). Sometimes you just look in their eyes and you know it's been a long time since they last heard a 12-minute song about wizards.
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Mar 11, 2014 13:34
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Nobody Interesting posted:To be honest I haven't heard all of GFTO and I only heard Awaken from the Yes 35th anniversary compilation CD. It's a pretty awful CD because it has Owner of a Lonely Heart on it. Owner of a Lonely Heart is a pretty catchy song. You just can't get caught up in the fact that it's Yes.
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Mar 11, 2014 16:27
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loose-fish posted:Speaking of stuff that's not Prog. I've been listening a lot to Brian Eno's early albums, that poo poo is awesome. "Taking Tiger Mountain (by Strategy)" and "Before an After Science" especially. But apparently it's "Art Rock"! Of "gateway prog," early Eno is pretty close to the real thing IMO. I mean, I could imagine some normie enjoying almost anything by Renaissance (whom I've usually heard referred to as prog) long before I'd imagine them liking Baby's On Fire or Driving Me Backwards. And I agree about not having super strict genre definitions, I mean I think you'd be right to discuss here anything from early Brian Eno to even the song Flying by the Beatles. On the other hand, a lot of great bands pushed boundaries (making them somewhat "progressive") but it would just seem...subjectively weird to call them progressive rock.
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Nobody Interesting posted:To be honest I haven't heard all of GFTO and I only heard Awaken from the Yes 35th anniversary compilation CD. It's a pretty awful CD because it has Owner of a Lonely Heart on it. GFTO is a great album, although I never much liked the title track. As for Owner of a Lonely Heart, I've grown to like it. It's a very catchy song and a great example of neo-prog likely inspired by 80s Genesis. Actually that whole album, 90125, is pretty drat good and heads above most of anything they've done since. I like parts of Big Generator, most of ABWH, I really dig a few tracks off of Union (which gets a bad rap, it's not THAT bad, definitely not the worst they've done), Talk was mostly pretty solid, KTA had Mind Drive, which was great, and parts of That That Is (which starts out great but goes on too long and wears out its welcome), Open Your Eyes was pretty drat bad, but there were a few catchy and fun songs on there, The Ladder had the title track and a couple other decent songs, Magnification had Dreamtime, and Fly From Here was okay I guess. Like I said, a few diamonds in the rough, but mostly embarrassing to listen to, although I admit that a lot of it is a guilty pleasure. Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Mar 11, 2014 |
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Declan MacManus posted:Owner of a Lonely Heart is a pretty catchy song. You just can't get caught up in the fact that it's Yes.
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Mar 11, 2014 16:40
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Misogynist posted:They were formed as a different band (Cinema) and renamed Yes under label pressure. You can't fault Cinema for taking a different direction than a completely different band. I'm just trying to think of the coked out executive that's like "you gotta bring the marketing power and cultural legacy of a band that hasn't had a top album in like eight years, you owe it to people" And I hate most of 90125 and all of Big Generator, but I really really dislike neo-prog anyways so
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Those albums have a big more in common with Huey Lewis & the News I think 
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Mar 12, 2014 20:56
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I sincerely hope the unstated subtext there is "because they're all rad as gently caress."
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JAMOOOL posted:Those albums have a big more in common with Huey Lewis & the News I think I like Huey Lewis and the News though (or at least have an appreciation for the craft or whatever). It's just not very good Huey Lewis music. And I probably come across as a weird dadrock fetishist; I like a lot of post-hardcore, most of which heavily dips its toes into prog (Dance Gavin Dance, Tides of Man, A Lot Like Birds, Secret Band) and lots of other weird mixes with prog, I just really dislike that particular brand of prog revival. I have ~*~*~strong opinions about prog~*~*~
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Declan MacManus posted:I like a lot of post-hardcore, most of which heavily dips its toes into prog (Dance Gavin Dance, Tides of Man, A Lot Like Birds, Secret Band) and lots of other weird mixes with prog, I just really dislike that particular brand of prog revival. I have ~*~*~strong opinions about prog~*~*~ Have you listened to Gospel - The Moon is a Dead World? Amazing album.
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Gamma Nerd posted:Have you listened to Gospel - The Moon is a Dead World? Amazing album. It reminds me a lot of King Crimson in parts which is a surefire path straight to my heart  E: Other modern albums I dig that are "arguably prog" (but might fall into math rock or post-hardcore or w/e): Tera Melos - Patagonian Rats Emarosa - Emarosa Tides of Man - Dreamhouse Gatsbys American Dream - Gatsbys American Dream Declan MacManus fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Mar 15, 2014 |
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One modern prog album that I've been digging a lot is "The Garden" by Unitopia. I'm not even sure what makes it so rewarding to listen to, it's just very melodic throughout I guess. Oblivion Sun's album of the same name is also quite good.
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Mar 15, 2014 06:34
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Declan MacManus posted:It reminds me a lot of King Crimson in parts which is a surefire path straight to my heart Have you ever listened to BATS? They're a very strange math rock/post-hardcore outfit.
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Rollersnake posted:Edit: In other news, Gazpacho have a new album out in a week, and it sounds really promising from the trailer. IMO, they've yet to have a truly great album besides Night, but I'm feeling optimistic about this one. All of Tick Tock is fantastic, and Mary Celeste in March of Ghosts easily makes up for the low points in the album.
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March of Ghosts I need to listen to again, but I remember being mostly unimpressed with it aside from What Did I Do?/Golem/The Dumb. Tick Tock I've really tried with, but I honestly don't care for it aside from Winter is Never. Desert Flight is just them aping Muse, and the rest drags on and on.
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