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JollyGreen posted:Hahaha I wish Just wait for Oregon's eventual legalization and you can get better weed and no sales tax.
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... I can't justify leaving my fiance/job/family/homestate though for a bit of weed. If I wasn't so broke I would've take a vacation to the Rocky Mountains by now, I've been meaning to travel more and the photos look great.
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computer parts posted:Just wait for Oregon's eventual legalization and you can get better weed and no sales tax. There is a push in Oregon to add a sales tax. It's mostly coming from the Republicans, but some Democrats support it too.
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veedubfreak posted:I really hope he names his store "Green's Greens". He got a producer license. In WA you can either grow/process or run a retail store, but not both.
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Draup posted:He got a producer license. In WA you can either grow/process or run a retail store, but not both. What's the rational for this? That'd be easier to fudge the quota/tracking system if you have grow and retail in one operation?
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cafel posted:What's the rational for this? That'd be easier to fudge the quota/tracking system if you have grow and retail in one operation? Taxes since this is a mostly cash business. Grower sells to retail, both record a sale and pay taxes, retail sells to customer -x% for breakage then gets collected from retail sales. This makes it hard to hide untaxed sales.
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Draup posted:He got a producer license. In WA you can either grow/process or run a retail store, but not both.
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So unfortunately, it looks like California won't be legalizing in 2014. The last measure left, the Marijuana, Control, Legalization and Revenue Act (MCLR), is low on funds and probably won't get the needed signatures by the 18 April deadline. Sorry, fellow Californians, but we're going to have to wait another two years to make de jure what is de facto In the meantime, I might as well get my recreational smoking permit...err, I mean medical marijuana card.
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Mar 9, 2014 08:58
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TenementFunster posted:that's surprising, seeing as how Colorado is currently the exact opposite for the next year or so. Based on the results and overall ease of doing business, I think Colorado will be the model rather than Washington. Their system just seems so much more efficient and well-run. Of course, it helps that their medical industry was also much better regulated than Washington's, but all of the restrictions the latter faces just seem kind of silly because of how successful Colorado has been.
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Why the hell would California try to legalize in yet another non-presidential election year? I wouldn't sign that petition either. The referendum would just show yet again that there is no mandate among midterm election voters, and would contribute to voter fatigue, hurting results in the year when it actually has a chance.
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Jeffrey posted:Why the hell would California try to legalize in yet another non-presidential election year? I wouldn't sign that petition either. The referendum would just show yet again that there is no mandate among midterm election voters, and would contribute to voter fatigue, hurting results in the year when it actually has a chance. Thinking rationally, I sort of agree with you. There's one side of me that says "BUT I REALLY WANT LEGAL WEED BEFORE I GRADUATE LIFE loving SUCKS", but the other realizes that, yeah, waiting until 2016 makes more sense. Though I'm not sure if we'd see a repeat of 2010. If Alaska can legalize weed in 2014, I don't think it'd be shot down again in California, at least not more than very narrowly. It's truly shocking how much attitudes towards marijuana have changed in less than five years; I think Colorado's successful example pushed over a lot of people on the fence.
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Yeah I think a bill would do better than 2014, but I wouldn't risk it. There isn't THAT much to gain with both decrim and medical already in place(practically speaking that is, obviously the message it sends is awesome). My biggest worry is actually the medical industry actively campaigning against the bill like they did in 2010. I haven't actually read the text of the proposed bill, so maybe they addressed some of the dumb "gotchas" publicized at the end of the 2010 campaign. I think a bill will pass easily in 2016 and I think slow and steady wins this one. I left the state already though, so I am less personally motivated, I definitely feel your pain. Then again maybe republicans will win in 2016 and stamp down the boot anyway.
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In practice, the medical marijuana industry is a de facto retail industry if you're willing to bullshit a few symptoms. It makes any legalization effort problematic since it disrupts their business. Colorado-style legalization might work, since existing medical stores will be able to convert to recreational rather easily.
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AYC posted:In practice, the medical marijuana industry is a de facto retail industry if you're willing to bullshit a few symptoms. It makes any legalization effort problematic since it disrupts their business. Well yeah I think the storefronts are fine with it as long as they get a piece, and the doctors aren't going to be on the streets campaigning against the bill. The supply counties(Mendocino, Humboldt, and Trinity), in which a large portion of their GDP is based on marijuana, all voted against it though. It makes sense since they stand to lose the most from prices falling, whereas storefronts can at least sell accessories and markup various strains. I think overwhelming that may well require all the young people to actually vote. (I was the only person under 50 I saw at the polls when I went in 2010, it was pretty sad.)
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http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2014/03/07/first-marijuana-tax-figures-expected-monday/6187149/ First tax sales for marijuana in Colorado will be reported tomorrow, for the month of January. I'm guessing it's going to be somewhere in the range of "$$$$$$$" to "$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"
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my boy nannerpus pointed this out in the Denver LAN thread. a big "lol" for all the amateur hour idiots and fake "medicinal" bullshit http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25304954/marijuana-edibles-standards-needed-thc-content-labels quote:Tests show THC content in marijuana edibles is inconsistent however, I am having a good time trying to imagine what kind of article would been run if the weed candy bars were 100x more potent than labeled.
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Mar 9, 2014 21:10
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There's only so much you can do when the product you're selling is federally illegal. When marijuana is legalized at the national level, the FDA will be able to ensure the same high quality standards they do for other products. Until then, we have to make do with what we have.
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Mar 9, 2014 21:26
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AYC posted:There's only so much you can do when the product you're selling is federally illegal. I can't think of any reason that it can't be handled at the state level by the MED. I'm not a lawyer, though.
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Reading the article, it looks like this is an issue only affecting the Dr. J brand. I'm not sure if Dixie Elixirs and similar companies have higher quality products, but either way the MED will probably crack down on them if they aren't. Though as I said, without the FDA all of this is much more difficult.
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AYC posted:There's only so much you can do when the product you're selling is federally illegal. there is no excuse for any company labeling any product as having "100mg" of anything and missing that mark by two orders of magnitude. the fact that it is a product as contentious as legal marijuana is just amateur hour. growers, sellers, and manufacturers need to be on their best behavior - not undermining the public perception of the safety and purity of their products. if they can't guaranteed that the most important ingredient is in the product, they are loving incompetent and should be shut down immediately. this is intolerable. blaming the feds is ridiculous. AYC posted:Reading the article, it looks like this is an issue only affecting the Dr. J brand.  TenementFunster fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Mar 9, 2014 |
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I'm pretty sure if the feds can get you for tax fraud of an illegal item they can get you for false advertising as well.
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computer parts posted:I'm pretty sure if the feds can get you for tax fraud of an illegal item they can get you for false advertising as well. now, can i interest you in our fine selection of hash tinctures?
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AYC posted:There's only so much you can do when the product you're selling is federally illegal.
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I'm not a big user but when weed became legal here in CO I went and got some edibles. The girl at the store recommended Dr. J's and I grabbed the biscotti and cookies. Neither of them did poo poo. It was supposed to be 8 "doses" per package and I ended up eating probably 6 of those doses and didn't feel a thing. At least there is proof I'm not crazy now.
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That "explanation" in the article from the company that made those edibles is loving laughable. "Oh, we didn't realize that our hash particles might settle to the bottom of a mixture." So apparently hiring someone with any semblance of experience in a laboratory environment just didn't occur to them? Jesus.
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:That "explanation" in the article from the company that made those edibles is loving laughable. "Oh, we didn't realize that our hash particles might settle to the bottom of a mixture." So apparently hiring someone with any semblance of experience in a laboratory environment just didn't occur to them? Jesus. potheads man. Or more likely they're doing the equivalent of selling people vaped weed or oregano to kids in middle school because people don't know any better.
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Elotana posted:Marijuana being illegal has actually made us really good at detecting and measuring THC levels, FYI http://www.unodc.org/documents/scientific/ST-NAR-40-Ebook.pdf Yup. (See page 25 onwards.) There is a whole section on an HPLC technique that accurately determines amounts of THC. HPLC is such a widespread, almost universal test for analysis that you really dont have an excuse to not do it. It's also incredibly cheap for a business. You'd be looking at 100-350 dollars depending on the test.
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And there are testing facilities such as CannLabs that are marketing their services specifically to the newly-legalized industry. This is more of the case of lovely or shady business practices getting uncovered and shaken up. Within a year things will settle out.
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:That "explanation" in the article from the company that made those edibles is loving laughable. "Oh, we didn't realize that our hash particles might settle to the bottom of a mixture." So apparently hiring someone with any semblance of experience in a laboratory environment just didn't occur to them? Jesus. So the result of their excuse would basically be 99 buyers don't feel jack poo poo, 1 buyer spent 3 days straight convinced that Obama himself was outside his door with an arrest warrant and only the smell of delicious enchuritos was keeping him at bay. How do they think that would make them look better? In the case that the tiniest bit of your batch is getting all the THC no one buying gets anything like what they paid for. Not that I really believe it, they just thought they could get away with putting basically nothing in there because they pretty much exist outside regulation.
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Some changes in the Caribbean: http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v7/wn/newsworld.php?id=1017796 http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/02/24/jamaica-pushes-forward-decriminalizing-marijuana-end-year/ Jamaica is decriminalizing marijuana by the end of the year and the Bahamas is considering medical marijuana. Given how prevalent weed usage is among tourists and the populace in general, this is hardly surprising. Wouldn't be surprised to see fully legal weed in 10 years or so in a few Caribbean countries.
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:That "explanation" in the article from the company that made those edibles is loving laughable. "Oh, we didn't realize that our hash particles might settle to the bottom of a mixture." So apparently hiring someone with any semblance of experience in a laboratory environment just didn't occur to them? Jesus. Some dispensary owner in L.A. told me that the difference between Hubby's candy and Venice Cookie Co.'s candy was that VCC's was "infused" and that made them more potent.  In any case, glad to see that Bhang bars are among the Colorado edibles; they have a pure-indica bar that's great for helping people sleep, according to a friend of mine who's undergoing chemo. eta: Are any of the Colo. shops offering Auntie Delores' edibles? The pretzels and caramel corn are wonderful, and the brownie bites are pretty good, too.
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I keep hearing from my friends that the government in WA is pushing towards eliminating medical, in favor of I-502 stores. Is there any truth to this, or is it just stoner  ?
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TenementFunster posted:there is no excuse for any company labeling any product as having "100mg" of anything and missing that mark by two orders of magnitude. the fact that it is a product as contentious as legal marijuana is just amateur hour. growers, sellers, and manufacturers need to be on their best behavior - not undermining the public perception of the safety and purity of their products. if they can't guaranteed that the most important ingredient is in the product, they are loving incompetent and should be shut down immediately. this is intolerable. blaming the feds is ridiculous. This is seriously just shameful, if you're selling something as medicine then you better be running QA tests on each batch of product. I'm not involved with the legal marijuana industry in any way but just from reading about the subject I get the impression that the whole industry could use a much heavier dose of science when it comes to all-around operations. Perhaps the New Age and other funny stuff that comes with the subcultural territory is a negative influence on the industry from that perspective?
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quote:@Clayton_Sandell: New: State of Colorado took in > $2.1 million in retail #marijuana taxes/fees in January, 1st month of retail sales. http://twitter.com/Clayton_Sandell/status/443135170359468032/photo/1 Not bad.
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Zeno-25 posted:This is seriously just shameful, if you're selling something as medicine then you better be running QA tests on each batch of product. I'm not involved with the legal marijuana industry in any way but just from reading about the subject I get the impression that the whole industry could use a much heavier dose of science when it comes to all-around operations. Perhaps the New Age and other funny stuff that comes with the subcultural territory is a negative influence on the industry from that perspective? hopefully increased scientific scrutiny and more "regular type dudes and dudettes" customers will improve the industry. mandatory potency testing is an absolute must however. a few more of these "Dr. J's" cases and the Colorado MED will be forced to mandate it.
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staticman posted:I keep hearing from my friends that the government in WA is pushing towards eliminating medical, in favor of I-502 stores. Is there any truth to this, or is it just stoner No it's true. Mark Kleiman (the consultant for The Liquor Control Board) is openly hostile towards "medical marijuana" and their so called "patients".
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KingEup posted:No it's true. Mark Kleiman (the consultant for The Liquor Control Board) is openly hostile towards "medical marijuana" and their so called "patients". Any so-called patients won't be looking for recommendations once they can go to a store and go home. Legalization legitimizes medical for those who are seeking it as medication.
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California Democrats just added legalization to their platform: http://rt.com/usa/california-democrats-support-marijuana-legalization-950/
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KingEup posted:No it's true. Mark Kleiman (the consultant for The Liquor Control Board) is openly hostile towards "medical marijuana" and their so called "patients". Good. Necc0 posted:California Democrats just added legalization to their platform: Also good.
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TheManWithNoName posted:I'm not a big user but when weed became legal here in CO I went and got some edibles. The girl at the store recommended Dr. J's and I grabbed the biscotti and cookies. Neither of them did poo poo. It was supposed to be 8 "doses" per package and I ended up eating probably 6 of those doses and didn't feel a thing. At least there is proof I'm not crazy now. Yeah, this is why I've counseled people to avoid edibles. When properly manufactured/dosed, they are perfectly excellent delivery vectors (and superior to vaporization/combustion), but there are typically no control mechanisms in place to assure quality. Generally, getting a "flat" edible is due to production inconsistency, hence the benefit of a competitive or at least non-captive market.
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