|
biosterous posted:Do you really have to get every single bit of dialogue from every single minor character? It's tedious as gently caress, and since it's in the middle of all the relevant things there's no way to just skip past it. I can understand the value of hearing what all named, plot-relevant characters have to say, but hearing that UNATCO trooper #427 has things under control seems kind of pointless. The voices of randomers in a game like DE, where the voices of the little guy means so little in the grand scheme, is important. It helps display the disconnect between the leadership and the thoughts of the people in the supposedly democratic world of DE. The concepts of representation and consent are gone. You are the protagonist, obviously you are going to do poo poo about this problem, so every voice is another one which will help you make up your mind. The thoughts of the little guy are important.
|
#
?
Mar 10, 2014 23:28
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 1, 2024 19:32 |
|
|
No Gravitas posted:Seconded. I want the talking! All of it. Agreed. It really sets the atmosphere. Besides, considering this was as far as I got in Deus Ex, the more of it I'm shown, the better. Also, on a more personal note, your reasoning, Bobbin, for avoiding drugs and such, really cleared a few things up on my own end: I tend to tell people, if asked about why I don't drink, that both sides of my family are all alcoholics, and that I've an addictive personality, but when it comes right down to it, you really hit the nail on the head, I'd rather avoid having my mindset 'changed' by any sort of high, so long as I can avoid it.
|
|
#
?
Mar 10, 2014 23:30
|
|
|
Magil of Shadow posted:I'd rather avoid having my mindset 'changed' by any sort of high, so long as I can avoid it. That was my reasoning until I got drunk at 22 and discovered I loved it. Now I'm a recovering alcoholic and I still smoke tobacco, which I picked up from drinking buddies. Whoops. Altered brain states are super fun, but uh, moderation is key.
|
|
#
?
Mar 10, 2014 23:40
|
|
|
Personally I don't believe that the CIA purposefully released crack into poor communities because if you ever read books like "Killing Hope: A history of the CIA" or "Legacy of Ashes" you'll find that while the CIA is unabashedly evil and obnoxiously vicious you'll find that they're far too dumb an organisation to ever hide this or even think past their current objective to see a long term effect in anything they did. It would never occur to them to do something like this. They'd much rather just phonetap civil rights leaders and come up with plots to try and blackmail them into suicide than go through with anything that would require as much effort as to introduce Crack to the poor neighborhoods.
|
|
#
?
Mar 10, 2014 23:56
|
|
|
biosterous posted:Do you really have to get every single bit of dialogue from every single minor character? It's tedious as gently caress, and since it's in the middle of all the relevant things there's no way to just skip past it. I can understand the value of hearing what all named, plot-relevant characters have to say, but hearing that UNATCO trooper #427 has things under control seems kind of pointless. I'm tempted to join the chorus of <<shut the hell up, Donny>>, but ... this will make Paris and Hong Kong very long. And with those accents 
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 00:04
|
|
|
I guess lots of people here like listening to mediocre voice acting saying nothing of any interest, and having that be nearly half the gameplay in a video? Whatever floats your boats, folks 
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 00:15
|
|
|
double nine posted:I'm tempted to join the chorus of <<shut the hell up, Donny>>, but ... this will make Paris and Hong Kong very long. And with those accents The accents are the game. Very authentic. Also, yeah, same thing me on drugs. I'm actually very unfortunate and could use an escape. Often. But never a chemical one. I had drugs shoved at me left and right, but I always said no. Life's too short to not experience it as it is. I want to see everything as it is. For all the dark things in the world that happened to me, surviving them by myself has only made me stronger. I don't need pills for my sorrows. I need to fix my problems that cause life to suck. No amount of pills will solve problems for me. Being impaired by drugs, street or perscribed will not make me more able to know either myself, my feelings, or what I need fixed. Drugs are no substitute for inner strength. So yeah, I'm a pretty rare case: Not once in life drunk or high. Not once. And I'm an atheist too, which makes it even a rarer group. I don't have a man in the sky to ask for help. I'm on my own and life sucks. But that does not stop me from trying and it never will. I'm strong like a rock and nothing can touch me now.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 00:20
|
|
|
I don't mind the dialog. I'll happily listen to 10 pointless comments about how things have quieted down to get one interesting comment about the game and story.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 00:32
|
|
|
Yeah, this is me when it comes to drugs. I even stopped drinking caffeinated soda a few years ago. I also tell people I don't use them because I'm a control freak. Did play WoW for an awful long time, though. As for dialogue, you cannot properly understand the plot of Deus Ex without talking to random homeless people. It is not possible.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 00:51
|
|
|
 Is that a goof in the New Vision Mod or is that in the original? Also, it is nice to hear more people talk about being teetotal/straight edge/whatever you want to call it. Every time I tell people I don't drink, they think I'm kidding, like it's completely impossible that someone wouldn't want to drink alcohol.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 01:38
|
|
|
Magnetic North posted:
Hell, even if I wanted to, I can't drink. My arthritis meds don't get along well with alcohol.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 01:43
|
|
|
Magnetic North posted:
Where was that sign? That looks like exactly the kind of name a lovely bookstore located in a subway terminal would have.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 01:54
|
|
|
Magnetic North posted:
I call it being real to oneself and to the world.  My excuse is kidney disease. If that does not stick I say that I'm an alcoholic. This gets me much less flak than saying that I never drink. Funny culture, really! That bridge is cursed: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cameronmoll/the-brooklyn-bridge-in-letterpress-type/posts/704856
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 01:57
|
|
|
Also drinking and drugs are a social activity.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 02:00
|
|
|
Put me down for another that refuses to even drink or smoke, for fear of what it will do to my thought processes. It has little or nothing to do with the D.A.R.E. program at school or the Very Special Episodes that came up on cartoons every now and again (you know, the ones where the antagonists are characterized solely on two things: that they use drugs and want other people to use drugs, the end? Quite amusing, really. As Bobbin hinted at in the video, the issues of drug use and addiction are far more complex and subtle than your typical kids show or school program is capable of addressing- or even allowed to address); it has more to do with... well, me; my maternal family history, my own condition of Asperger's, and I don't want to believe that I have an addictive personality, but if my attraction to videogames is any indication... No, it's just not for me.Also put me down for keeping all the conversations in gameplay; because THAT is how you world-build, guys. The holy-roller in Battery parkis one of my favorite characters, to the point that no play-through is complete until I've heard his "hail Jesus" both times.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 02:13
|
|
|
counterfeitsaint posted:Where was that sign? That looks like exactly the kind of name a lovely bookstore located in a subway terminal would have. It would be, wouldn't it? Sadly, that's the sign above the map kiosk that's supposed to tell you where you are. I'm curious myself whether that's translated from the original or a goof by the New Vision modders, but it's too much of a hassle to uninstall and reinstall the mod just to check. Maybe someone playing along who hasn't installed it can find out for us?
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 02:20
|
|
|
I have a pretty addictive personality in that when I use something, I will continue to use it until it is gone, but I am entirely capable of cutting myself off and staying away due to a couple years of prescribed med use, going onto meds long term and coming off them quickly. I took clonazepam (actually for migraines) for a while, but realised how big an impact it was having on me that I stopped taking it overnight. It was painful, but I did it just like that. I drink, and I don't particularly like it, but I smoke and do enjoy it. I am also a control freak, like many here say, but I still drink in reservation besides that, drinking rarely and only for special occasions. For example, my 20th last week, which I only remember half of. When I drink, I don't stop that night until I crash, but I always learn a lesson when I eventually do crash. I suffer with some sleeping issues, bad enough to the extent that short term sleep meds don't work on me, so the only option was antidepressants and the like. I tried them for a while, but stay off of them because I find that they alter my very personality too greatly. They alter how I look at the world, take the edge off of my sense of humour and blunt my ability to enjoy what I love in life. I like being able to take advantage of what I have at hand and experience them as intended, like threadbare. Personal use for recreation, however, I am fine with, as long as I understand that it is a short term thing, and plan my usage. They also exist to experience. I don't like making decisions on something without first having experienced it, as that is a big part of what life is about. Becoming dependant on something is not recreation to me though. Also, drinking is typically a social activity, but I really disagree that drinking, or drugs, or even 'party drugs' are exclusively really a social activity, if at all. Is standing around a table talking about how great the coke is while running your mouth at someone else also doing coke simply because you can't control it really socialising? You don't have a choice in the matter, so I would say no. Also, don't drink and drive kids.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 02:50
|
|
|
Bobbin Threadbare posted:It would be, wouldn't it? Sadly, that's the sign above the map kiosk that's supposed to tell you where you are. I'm curious myself whether that's translated from the original or a goof by the New Vision modders, but it's too much of a hassle to uninstall and reinstall the mod just to check. Maybe someone playing along who hasn't installed it can find out for us? The issue is with the mod if this low quality image is reliable evidence. 
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 02:59
|
|
|
Bobbin Threadbare posted:It would be, wouldn't it? Sadly, that's the sign above the map kiosk that's supposed to tell you where you are. I'm curious myself whether that's translated from the original or a goof by the New Vision modders, but it's too much of a hassle to uninstall and reinstall the mod just to check. Maybe someone playing along who hasn't installed it can find out for us? I'm playing unmodded and there's no typo on the sign. Edit: Beaten by a few seconds.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 02:59
|
|
|
I've had this game installed forever and have a save file in every level seemingly except for Brooklyn Bridge Station, fortunately I had one near by. As you can see the mod contains some Engrish, apparently. As for the episode itself, this section of the game always reminded me of some documentary special I saw on TV when I was much younger (something along the lines of what A&E used to to) about people who lived in small towns and whatnot built into utility, ventilation and train tunnels that run beneath New York. Doesn't take a man-made plague to drive people underground. I'm sure if you look anywhere you can find all sorts of weird things hidden in plain sight and since this episode features the Brooklyn Bridge, how about reading about a fallout shelter that's sat untouched for close to 50 years that no one knew anything about. Makes you wonder what else is laying around out there. And on the topic of earthquakes on the eastern seaboard, there is actually mounting evidence that even through we are far from the nearest plate boundaries there is still a lot of evidence of recent seismic activity all across the Northeast. You get the occasional 2.0 and 3.0 shakes every once and a while but there are records and evidence of much stronger events taking place as little as 100-150 years ago. I think in this game through, the earthquakes are meant to be another layer of the conspiracy and the quakes that hit New York also devastated large swaths of the rest of the country and caused most of SoCal to slip into the sea. Psychotic Weasel fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Mar 11, 2014 |
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 03:01
|
|
|
This would be an appropriate moment to post Rat Park. Basically, addiction isn't the utter mind control the War On Drugs would have you believe... which is not to say that it's easy to get off. Physical Addiction just means it hurts to try to stop... but people can and WILL try to stop if there's anything in their life to make them WANT to stop. And that's the problem. Economic oppression means there's not many reasons for those who become addicted to want to stop.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 03:06
|
|
|
Psychotic Weasel posted:I've had this game installed forever and have a save file in every level seemingly except for Brooklyn Bridge Station, fortunately I had one near by. Any recent eastern seismic activity is due to HAARP testing of seismic weapons. 
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 03:52
|
|
|
I never knew about that hidden compartment with a datacube in it in the station, I wasn't expecting to see any new stuff in this video. I'm stunned at how many surprises I've already found watching this series.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 04:00
|
|
|
Pvt.Scott posted:Any recent eastern seismic activity is due to HAARP testing of seismic weapons. Ah yes, HAARP. I'm surprised it isn't actually mentioned in this game and used as some sort of transmission vector instead of some boring old helicopters. My second last paragraph was me rambling while trying to find something I had seen recently. Figures I'd find it shortly after saying gently caress-it and hitting post. If you have some time to spare, you can watch this documentary of questionable origin titled Sci-Trek: Earthquake in New York, some interesting facts mixed in with some over-the-top CGI. Psychotic Weasel fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Mar 11, 2014 |
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 04:09
|
|
|
No Gravitas posted:Life's too short to not experience it as it is. I want to see everything as it is. To me, this seems like the absolute worst reason for not using drugs. I've got no problem with people not using drugs if they don't like being in whatever state that drug induces, don't like the way they behave when on that drug, don't enjoy the actual consumption of that drug, don't want to risk addiction, don't want to damage their body, etc. but the idea that we're experiencing the world "as it is" is laughable. Our perceptions are filtered and modified before we're consciously aware of them. Take something as simple as seeing what's in front of you. You think you're seeing in full colour, but you're not. Only the central part of your field of vision is in colour, the periphery is black and white and your brain just fills in the colours from memory and guesses. Or have you noticed how you can be in a room with a bunch of people talking and you suddenly hear someone saying your name when you couldn't hear what they were saying before that? You totally could hear it, your brain was just filtering it out so you could focus on whatever seemed more important at the time. And everything is like that. We're not experiencing the world as it is, we're experiencing a construct, a version of the world put together within our own minds, including some things that our senses are detecting and some things we're remembering or imagining, and missing a bunch of stuff that we're filtering out or ignoring. But yeah, if you don't like beer then don't drink beer, not going to argue with you on that. idonotlikepeas posted:Yeah, this is me when it comes to drugs. I even stopped drinking caffeinated soda a few years ago. I also tell people I don't use them because I'm a control freak. Did play WoW for an awful long time, though. Caffeine is good for you.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 07:20
|
|
|
Tiggum posted:And everything is like that. We're not experiencing the world as it is, we're experiencing a construct, a version of the world put together within our own minds, including some things that our senses are detecting and some things we're remembering or imagining, and missing a bunch of stuff that we're filtering out or ignoring. Well, yes, we're all given a set of imperfect and mismatched sensory devices and brains that make vague calculations out of what they've got. Hell, we fool our eyes into thinking two dimensions are really three every time we look at a picture, and we can be convinced that real objects are invisible like glass or water. Still, there's a level of distinction between natural processes and hallucinogens, and for some folks it's just no fun to screw with our senses directly. How can I appreciate the warping light of an aquarium tank when my brain is warping light no matter what?
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 07:56
|
|
|
As I said before, I'm a Mormon, so I have basically the same aversion to alcohol, drugs, and coffee as Bobbin Threadbare does, though mine is more for religious reasons than for loss of control reasons (though I have an intense fear of losing control independent of my religious views). I am curious about the experience of eating a pot brownie or trying peyote though. However, unlike many Mormons, I have no problem with others choosing to partake of their vice of choice, and I have an intense sympathy for those who fall prey to addiction. Free agency (ironically a tenet of my faith) is paramount, and I'd be denying you your right as a human being to do what you want if I wanted a second Prohibition. And I prefer rehabilitation to criminalization. The excesses of the War on Drugs is a moral abomination in my view. As for the gameplay itself, it's interesting that you went the violent route, considering that you had so many options. And living in the Rocky Mountain area, I'm surprised that there was a big earthquake on the East Coast before a quake in California or Utah. Both states are due for a huge one.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 07:57
|
|
|
Bobbin Threadbare posted:Still, there's a level of distinction between natural processes and hallucinogens, and for some folks it's just no fun to screw with our senses directly. How can I appreciate the warping light of an aquarium tank when my brain is warping light no matter what? Easily, just like you do all the time? I don't understand the issue. And it's not like using drugs sometimes means you can't appreciate things when you're not using drugs. As for the distinction between natural processes and hallucinogens, well, I've never heard a definition of "natural" that didn't come down to some arbitrary "I can't explain it but I know it when I see it" thing.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 09:15
|
|
|
The small dialogues in this game are amazing. Especially if you consider that the mole people are just the kind of community that Tracer Tong wants people to build after Area 51 goes down, and (surprise, surprise) you find out that they exclude the sick and people not like them. There's all sorts of little comments about the endgame in there; like talking to the AI in Paris.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 09:21
|
|
|
Aw, you missed a few of the most hilarious rear end in a top hat Denton lines in the game. If you kill the Rooks and make El Rey hand over a LAM while having a full stack of LAM:s you also get to hear J.C. laugh as the carnage that he's wrought. Just look at about 8 minutes into this video for some grade-A sociopathy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YVpZxrJhmQ
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 11:23
|
|
|
When it comes to drugs... I rarely smoke - hell, the only reason I have been smoking recently (at this rate, once a month) was because I managed to get some cigars for cheap while I was going through an airport. Hell, I even stopped half-way through a cigar the other day 'cause I wasn't liking it, so I guess I'm not grabbed by tobacco. Alcohol... That is something I DO like, and I admit there have been times where I have been scared by how much I have drunk; I went off it for a year and a bit after I succumbed to a binge after my 3rd year exams in uni, and could only remember crossing the roads when I got back home, because I recall telling myself I could not in ANY way lose the plot at that point. So I do know I can indulge in drink, sometimes to excess, and it is something I hafta keep in mind at all times, especially considering the home country has a big problem with alcahol abuse; but still, a nice cold beer does taste REAL nice on a hot day (although you could meet it half-way and go with a shandy; as refreshing as a beer/lemonade but without being as sickly as the latter), red wine is good with a tomato sauce-dish and a whiskey can be good on a warm evening. Caffine - I did drink too much coffee for too long a coupe of years back, and that REALLY affected how anxious I got. Heart racing, highly-strung, very emotional - it wasn't good. Nowadays I don't drink coffee daily. However, I do have a vice on tea; on some days can go through three litres of the stuff, I reckon. But I don't drink sodas, NEVER take sugar in my tea, and I try to make sure that the food I make has only the fat and sugar I put into it (I suppose it helps that the home country also has a problem with that, too). Anything else; no comment, but I have seen how it can mess people up. People have pointed out that a lot of this stuff is done because it is done in social settings; and I am inclined to agree. I would say that the problems really start when people start taking it alone without a moderating influence? Although, people also sometimes take too much stuff in social settings, so I dunno. I'm no socialologist
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 11:43
|
|
|
Junior G-man posted:The small dialogues in this game are amazing. Heck, the "inconsequential" dialogue even hinted where to go next or how to approach stuff. The hobo talking good about the nsf commander in the mole people territory hints that you don't have to kill him off to make your life there way easier when exploring the next map.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 11:48
|
|
|
Modest consumption can have some health benefits if you drink coffee. A higher intake can, depending on various factor, lead to migraines, higher blood pressure, chronic indigestion, excess peeing, and death. I, however, have never managed to make myself like coffee no matter how adulterated, and pounding six Dr. Peppers a day, as I used to, is not good for anyone, especially if you have weight problems already. The only way I figured out to stop doing that is just to stop drinking the stuff. E: Just to clarify, I'm not saying that any drug in particular is the wrong choice for someone else. They just aren't for me. idonotlikepeas fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Mar 11, 2014 |
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 13:53
|
|
|
So Bobbin- is there any hope of another Literature Corner coming up any time soon, or do you feel the first one about covered it? Related, I just reread Neuromancer, and for the life of me I still can't figure out why Wintermute needed Case. Or at least, why he knew he needed Case at the beginning of the whole scheme, given how many things went pear-shaped. The closest I can figure is that Case was necessary simply because he could meaningfully communicate with Dixie's construct, having known him fairly well before he died. Obviously, Case's unique charisma comes in handy later on when things started to go to poo poo with Riviera, 3Jane, Armitage, Turing, Ashpool and everything else, but all of that was outside Wintermute's initial projections, if he's to be believed.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 14:23
|
|
|
Tiggum posted:Easily, just like you do all the time? I don't understand the issue. And it's not like using drugs sometimes means you can't appreciate things when you're not using drugs. As for the distinction between natural processes and hallucinogens, well, I've never heard a definition of "natural" that didn't come down to some arbitrary "I can't explain it but I know it when I see it" thing. How about "the state of body and mind I am used to being in throughout at least 90% of the day, adjusted for the occasional emotion?" Mind you, I understand that brain chemistry can sometimes lead a person away from a stable state of mind without any intervention and that drugs can bring this stability back, but it's never something that I've required myself. Maybe I would be more open to experimentation if I weren't so fortunate, but as it is, screwing with brain chemistry for fun (beyond the occasional tea; these days if I take too much more caffeine my body gets way too dependent way too quickly) doesn't strike me, personally, as fun. Kytrarewn posted:So Bobbin- is there any hope of another Literature Corner coming up any time soon, or do you feel the first one about covered it? Literature Corner's my backup plan. There are at least two more works I've promised myself I'll get to eventually, but if I ever run out of conspiracies I know there have been enough literary references to fill out the rest of the LP if I have to.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 16:09
|
|
|
Bobbin Threadbare posted:Mind you, I understand that brain chemistry can sometimes lead a person away from a stable state of mind without any intervention and that drugs can bring this stability back, but it's never something that I've required myself. Maybe I would be more open to experimentation if I weren't so fortunate, but as it is, screwing with brain chemistry for fun (beyond the occasional tea; these days if I take too much more caffeine my body gets way too dependent way too quickly) doesn't strike me, personally, as fun. After doing a lot of research I came to conclusion that drugs that "bring stability back" can only take away something from us. While I am very happy to respect the choices of other people, I choose to stay clean no matter how bad things get. I'm seriously better for it. When crisis strikes everyone else shrivels up and I'm the first guy up there and hacking away at whatever the problem is. I learned to handle the darkness the hard way and I'm better for it. And people often think I'm anti-psychiatry for that too. Sheesh. I'm not. Some take their pills, I choose to take my courage. Here is a next conspiracy corner for you, Bobbin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_psychiatry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-psychiatry etc...
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 18:34
|
|
|
No Gravitas posted:
The problem with this statement is that it implies that people who choose to take their meds are cowards, which is loving retarded on top of being abhorrent. Like, okay, dealing with whatever condition you have without any meds is an option for you, congrats. It is absolutely not an option for many, and that doesn't make them any lesser as people. paragon1 fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Mar 11, 2014 |
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 18:39
|
|
|
I know what he meant, but yeah. I refused to take pills or seek treatment for depression for more than a decade. Then I had a months long manic episode where I did a lot of dumb poo poo, ruined relationships, bombed college etc. and decided, hey I should probably get that checked out. It took a couple years of therapy to accept that I needed the help. My brain is just kinda broke and the bootstraps approach failed for me. YMMV.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 19:26
|
|
|
paragon1 posted:The problem with this statement is that it implies that people who choose to take their meds are cowards, which is loving retarded on top of being abhorrent. Yeah pretty much. 'I chose to take my courage' is goof-rear end backpatting nonsense that kind of trivializes the experiences of those who aren't capable of just tanking through depression. Don't be that person. As for drugs in general: I am what I would personally term a habitual drug user. I have tried just about every flavor, color, and varietal of pills, smokables, teas, and edibles that induce altered mental states I have ever gotten my hands on. I make no judgements against people who don't choose a lifestyle like that; obviously subjectivity means I feel like I'm doing an okay thing, but the notion that one path or another is somehow inherently wrong OR inherently right irritates me. I have had WONDERFUL experiences on drugs that I absolutely could not have achieved through the normal paths of human perception; I've also had some waking nightmares that I would wish on no person, living or dead. I choose to keep doing them because I still feel like there's things I haven't seen, and new ways to experience the nature of perception through altering the way my brain filters input. The trick is to realize drugs AREN'T for everybody. Any decently experienced head will tell you you don't give certain kinds of drugs to certain personality types; for example, I should never, ever, ever do downers of any kind besides alcohol. And for some people, the need to feel in control of their perceptions and actions FAR outweighs any of the new experiences that drug use can bring. And you know what? That's fine. I have zero issue with straight edge people; some of my best friends are straight edge. It takes all kinds, and I think we need whacked-out goofuses like me as much as we need grounded people to keep us from acting too much like loons. In short, let's all get along. This shouldn't have to be a big thing. 
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2014 22:06
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 1, 2024 19:32 |
|
|
I'm in similar situation as many of you when it comes to drugs - actually a few different factors: I can't smoke or drink alcohol (I get nauseous/physically irritated from tobacco smoke, and even a glass of wine can mean getting sick for days), I absolutely hate losing control (for me drugging someone is literally worse than murder) and as for psychedelics and similar "mind-expanding" substances, I was very interested in those, never tried because I was afraid of getting contaminated stuff, and later discovered meditation and lost interest in drugs entirely because it's too fun to poke around in own brain when lucid  Another reason why I never took drugs is that I don't believe in any kind of lessened responsibility when drunk/high/whatever. Drugs make people do stupid poo poo they have to deal with afterwards, whether it's making a fool of oneself or doing horrible things to get the next fix. Agreeing to use them would probably break me when it'd come to judging myself for the consequences. And if we're talking about prescription meds for depression or other disorders, I say it's a case of trying to fix an already broken machine, so it's a lesser evil (I "took my courage", but it was still a horrible experience, I said I'm not taking this poo poo and I'll either fix myself or die. Not gonna blame those who take the pharmaceutical crutch). Pierzak fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Mar 12, 2014 |
|
#
?
Mar 12, 2014 00:01
|
|