Fragrag posted:

I bet the Malaysian Air Force accidentally shot down the plane.

IceLicker posted:

I have a theory about where it may have ended up at one point but no idea why it is (or was) there. Diego Garcia.

At this point, any sort of catastrophic or mechanical failure is incredibly unlikely. There are way too many automated systems in place with a whole lot of redundancy to support this. It would be incredibly unlikely for both a transponder and ACARS system to fail. In the case of AF447, the ACARS system was spitting out failure messages back to Air France. This has not been shown to happen at least at this time. Weather, does not appear to play any role at this time. The crew, did not indicate any sort of distress or emergency taking place. No debris or equipment of any kind has been been located. This leads me to suspect that the flight crew was in on whatever happened. The whole fake passport thing to me just happens to be coincidence. I doubt this was terrorism because terrorists usually aim to make some sort of statement or demands. Not blow up an airline and have no one know about it. It's also unlikely the crew was incapacitated. There's a number of sensors in place to read cabin pressure changes and pilots are trained for high-altitude, rapid-depressurization. If they did pass out, the plane would have continued onto its programmed route and not made what appears to be a very intentional left turn.

From the images below, you can see that the last reported position from ATC was right around the IGARI intersection (which we can almost certainly assume was part of the flight plan).



It also happens to be conveniently located just prior to the aircraft entering Vietnamese ATC and essentially, in the middle of nowhere. IGARI is a compulsory reporting point meaning that radar coverage can potentially be unreliable but it's also pretty standard in any oceanic environment even while in radar contact for the pilots to report their position. Whether the aircraft was spotted on radar or ATC was just going by a position report, we may not know. If one was to attempt to deliberately "disappear" from the system, the handoff from one ATC sector to another would be an ideal place since the pilots are the ones initiating contact. The IGARI intersection makes for an ideal location given this scenario.

The next interesting bit of information that has recently surfaced is a radar return (possibly from MH370) just near Penang Island.

Edit: I guess it's actually a bit more northwest but even so, a direct from where ever they began the turn, it still puts them in the very near vicinity . This new evidence just happens to fall on a path from the IGARI intersection (or there about) directly to the Diego Garcia Airbase (FJDG).



The time and distance needed to make it to Diego Garcia from IGARI is well within the capabilities of the 777 under the conditions that we assume were correct at takeoff. The total trip from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing is roughly 2700nm compared to the new total of WMKK R208 (assumed) IGARI direct FJDG, being approximately 2300nm.

If anyone wanted to "hide" this plane, that would be the way to do it. Limited radar coverage, secluded air force base with probably no cell phone service. Kind of makes you wonder who or what was on that aircraft. Just my thoughts.

Rocks posted:

Did you copy this from another forum? What's your deal bud?

IceLicker posted:

I have a theory about where it may have ended up at one point but no idea why it is (or was) there. Diego Garcia.

At this point, any sort of catastrophic or mechanical failure is incredibly unlikely. There are way too many automated systems in place with a whole lot of redundancy to support this. It would be incredibly unlikely for both a transponder and ACARS system to fail. In the case of AF447, the ACARS system was spitting out failure messages back to Air France. This has not been shown to happen at least at this time. Weather, does not appear to play any role at this time. The crew, did not indicate any sort of distress or emergency taking place. No debris or equipment of any kind has been been located. This leads me to suspect that the flight crew was in on whatever happened. The whole fake passport thing to me just happens to be coincidence. I doubt this was terrorism because terrorists usually aim to make some sort of statement or demands. Not blow up an airline and have no one know about it. It's also unlikely the crew was incapacitated. There's a number of sensors in place to read cabin pressure changes and pilots are trained for high-altitude, rapid-depressurization. If they did pass out, the plane would have continued onto its programmed route and not made what appears to be a very intentional left turn.

From the images below, you can see that the last reported position from ATC was right around the IGARI intersection (which we can almost certainly assume was part of the flight plan).



It also happens to be conveniently located just prior to the aircraft entering Vietnamese ATC and essentially, in the middle of nowhere. IGARI is a compulsory reporting point meaning that radar coverage can potentially be unreliable but it's also pretty standard in any oceanic environment even while in radar contact for the pilots to report their position. Whether the aircraft was spotted on radar or ATC was just going by a position report, we may not know. If one was to attempt to deliberately "disappear" from the system, the handoff from one ATC sector to another would be an ideal place since the pilots are the ones initiating contact. The IGARI intersection makes for an ideal location given this scenario.

The next interesting bit of information that has recently surfaced is a radar return (possibly from MH370) just near Penang Island.

Edit: I guess it's actually a bit more northwest but even so, a direct from where ever they began the turn, it still puts them in the very near vicinity . This new evidence just happens to fall on a path from the IGARI intersection (or there about) directly to the Diego Garcia Airbase (FJDG).



The time and distance needed to make it to Diego Garcia from IGARI is well within the capabilities of the 777 under the conditions that we assume were correct at takeoff. The total trip from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing is roughly 2700nm compared to the new total of WMKK R208 (assumed) IGARI direct FJDG, being approximately 2300nm.

If anyone wanted to "hide" this plane, that would be the way to do it. Limited radar coverage, secluded air force base with probably no cell phone service. Kind of makes you wonder who or what was on that aircraft. Just my thoughts.

myshl0ng posted:

IceLicker posted:

No, I didn't copy that from anywhere. I'm not a kind of person either but until we see some wreckage, that's what I'm betting on.

quote:

bob2
5:26 PM on 11/3/2014
You can't take more than 100ml of mouthwash on a plane but you can travel on false passports, the pilots can entertain Aussie chicks and nobody can track a plane the size of a block of flats. MADNESS !!

Arakan posted:

how did they manage to avoid all the military personnel on diego garcia

Rocks posted:

Wouldn't China know pretty quick if the USA stole a bunch of their citizens?

Rocks posted:

Wouldn't China know pretty quick if the USA stole a bunch of their citizens?

Fallom posted:

what part did you not get about a conspiracy theory involving taking a plane to a military base

edit: the part where the military/CIA/allied foreign agents did it

doomisland posted:

also jews?????

rocket_man38 posted:

http://elitedaily.com/news/world/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-updates-stolen-passports-passengers-phones-ringing/

Ok now that's loving weird.

doomisland posted:

mother loving grays

Drunk & Ugly posted:

MADNESS
but bob has a point

edit sorry bob2 dont wanna misquote

Reign Of Pain posted:

Is this the thread that SA is using to do the whole http://www.tomnod.com/nod/ thing when it comes back up?

Fallom posted:

Only if it'll let me pan over to Diego Garcia and leave notes there

IceLicker posted:

I have a theory about where it may have ended up at one point but no idea why it is (or was) there. Diego Garcia.

At this point, any sort of catastrophic or mechanical failure is incredibly unlikely. There are way too many automated systems in place with a whole lot of redundancy to support this. It would be incredibly unlikely for both a transponder and ACARS system to fail. In the case of AF447, the ACARS system was spitting out failure messages back to Air France. This has not been shown to happen at least at this time. Weather, does not appear to play any role at this time. The crew, did not indicate any sort of distress or emergency taking place. No debris or equipment of any kind has been been located. This leads me to suspect that the flight crew was in on whatever happened. The whole fake passport thing to me just happens to be coincidence. I doubt this was terrorism because terrorists usually aim to make some sort of statement or demands. Not blow up an airline and have no one know about it. It's also unlikely the crew was incapacitated. There's a number of sensors in place to read cabin pressure changes and pilots are trained for high-altitude, rapid-depressurization. If they did pass out, the plane would have continued onto its programmed route and not made what appears to be a very intentional left turn.

From the images below, you can see that the last reported position from ATC was right around the IGARI intersection (which we can almost certainly assume was part of the flight plan).



It also happens to be conveniently located just prior to the aircraft entering Vietnamese ATC and essentially, in the middle of nowhere. IGARI is a compulsory reporting point meaning that radar coverage can potentially be unreliable but it's also pretty standard in any oceanic environment even while in radar contact for the pilots to report their position. Whether the aircraft was spotted on radar or ATC was just going by a position report, we may not know. If one was to attempt to deliberately "disappear" from the system, the handoff from one ATC sector to another would be an ideal place since the pilots are the ones initiating contact. The IGARI intersection makes for an ideal location given this scenario.

The next interesting bit of information that has recently surfaced is a radar return (possibly from MH370) just near Penang Island.

Edit: I guess it's actually a bit more northwest but even so, a direct from where ever they began the turn, it still puts them in the very near vicinity . This new evidence just happens to fall on a path from the IGARI intersection (or there about) directly to the Diego Garcia Airbase (FJDG).



The time and distance needed to make it to Diego Garcia from IGARI is well within the capabilities of the 777 under the conditions that we assume were correct at takeoff. The total trip from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing is roughly 2700nm compared to the new total of WMKK R208 (assumed) IGARI direct FJDG, being approximately 2300nm.

If anyone wanted to "hide" this plane, that would be the way to do it. Limited radar coverage, secluded air force base with probably no cell phone service. Kind of makes you wonder who or what was on that aircraft. Just my thoughts.

Reign Of Pain posted:

Pretty sure you have to sign up for the premier membership





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Reign Of Pain posted:

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quote:

Air force chief General Rodzali Daud was this morning quoted by Malaysian media as saying that radar had last detected the plane over the Strait of Malacca off western Malaysia.

That location would have indicated the flight had banked far to the west of its intended flight path over the South China Sea.

But Mr Rodzali says he "did not make any such statements," and that newspaper Berita Harian published "what is clearly an inaccurate and incorrect report".

quote:

Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu Bakar told a news conference that all passengers are being studied.

"Maybe somebody on the flight has bought a huge sum of insurance, who wants family to gain from it or somebody who has owed somebody so much money. We are looking at all possibilities," he said.

Rad Russian posted:

Sudden course change and a long straight flight does coincide with a theory of being intercepted by a fighter jet and then being forced to be "escorted" in a different direction.