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Bubble-T posted:What possible reason could the Malaysian Airforce have for shooting down a passenger plane that's leaving their airspace that would also require them to have it turn around and fly back over Malaysia first. Because if they shot it down right there, the search crews would know exactly where to look. They had it turn off transponder and then escort it 100s of miles away, somewhere no one will find it. As to why? Who knows, government secrets on plane on their way to China. What better way to make paperwork or people disappear than in a tragic accident where the plane is never recovered.
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Mar 12, 2014 05:13
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Clearly part of the 9/11/2.0 conspiracy:
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Rad Russian posted:Because if they shot it down right there, the search crews would know exactly where to look. They had it turn off transponder and then escort it 100s of miles away, somewhere no one will find it. I'd love to know the hand signals for "turn off your transponder and follow us so we can shoot you down", since they wouldn't have been able to use radio without other planes/controllers in the area hearing them.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:I'd love to know the hand signals for "turn off your transponder and follow us so we can shoot you down", since they wouldn't have been able to use radio without other planes/controllers in the area hearing them. Plane was sabotaged prior to takeoff by the Malaysian CIA where all communications were wired to go out/short circuit 30 mins into the flight just as the fighter was timed to intercept it. At that point it's just the "follow me" hand signals.
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Mar 12, 2014 05:41
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Oh, let's just say "cabin depressurization" and call it a day. Because otherwise, the goon that suggested the plane would rise up from under the field at the Super Bowl Halftime Show is starting to look like the most rational choice.
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TealShark posted:Oh, let's just say "cabin depressurization" and call it a day. Because otherwise, the goon that suggested the plane would rise up from under the field at the Super Bowl Halftime Show is starting to look like the most rational choice. Flew to Atlantis and landed on a submersible runway/airdock.
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Its working now I guess http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014 gently caress...this is daunting
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Mar 12, 2014 06:32
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how the gently caress are they "trying" to triangulate the signal if passengers' phones are still ringing? wouldn't they INSTANTLY be able to track where it is via GPS?
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Stoic Commie posted:how the gently caress are they "trying" to triangulate the signal if passengers' phones are still ringing? Those are two completely different things.
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Chinatown posted:Those are two completely different things. what are
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Rad Russian posted:Sudden course change and a long straight flight does coincide with a theory of being intercepted by a fighter jet and then being forced to be "escorted" in a different direction. If there was a mechanical failure and they were simply turning back, they would go back towards the airport not in a random direction. They covered enough distance after the turn to make it back to their starting point if they actually wanted to. You don't know what you're talking about.
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Mar 12, 2014 06:45
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There about 4x10^1900 groups of 239 people who could have been on that plane so I very much doubt I knew anybody in that particular grouping.
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Mar 12, 2014 06:50
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shtu the gently caress up three olives
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Mar 12, 2014 06:52
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Rad Russian posted:What better way to make paperwork or people disappear than in a tragic accident where the plane is never recovered. One that doesn't cause the entire loving world to wonder where they went, I guess.
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Mar 12, 2014 06:54
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Why doesn't Tomnod have a computer program scanning the map for colors and shapes which roughly correspond with life rafts, oil slicks, and wreckage?
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Mar 12, 2014 07:04
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I'm tempted to watch through this whole gashdarned thing again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO-T1QNxPW0
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Stoic Commie posted:what are GPS and mobile phone signals are completely unrelated.
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IceLicker posted:No, I didn't copy that from anywhere. I'm not a You know too much. They'll be visiting you soon. Wait poo poo we all know too much now, guess we'll be waterboarding together
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kind of person either but until we see some wreckage, that's what I'm betting on.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Because then people would have to comb through them anyways for false positives, of which there will be a LOT.
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Clearly what we should do is get hundreds of autists and OCD people to scan over tomnod. I wonder where we can find them...
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Combine that and capcha. "How many dead bodies are in the two pictures?"
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Mar 12, 2014 08:58
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Bubble-T posted:One that doesn't cause the entire loving world to wonder where they went, I guess. Uh yeah but that's the thing, nobody in the entire loving world knows where they went.
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Chinatown posted:GPS and mobile phone signals are completely unrelated. don't they track cell phones all the time in criminal cases/missing person cases? so how is it not possible here
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BlueChocolate posted:don't they track cell phones all the time in criminal cases/missing person cases? so how is it not possible here There are no cell towers in the ocean.
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http://news.asiaone.com/news/malaysia/missing-mh370-hopes-fishermen-find-life-raftquote:A group of fishermen found a life raft bearing the word “Boarding” 10 nautical miles from Port Dickson town at 12pm yesterday. quote:When the MMEA boat arrived, the fishermen then handed over the raft into their custody.
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Has this been ruled out yet? And by "this" I mean the Shatner.
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Malaysian authorities just gave another press conference in which they confirm yet again that they don't actually know what the gently caress they're doing. News at 11.
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Serious post: Is it possible that something catastrophic occurred with the electrical systems causing the pilots to lose their flight instruments/transponder/radio, but the plane was still able to stay in the air for a time (I keep hearing people claim that this plane is able to stay in the air for a long time even in the case of massive mechanical failures), so the pilots tried to turn the plane around...in the dark...with no instruments or flight control to guide them and they just got lost?
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Anonymous Zebra posted:Serious post: Is it possible that something catastrophic occurred with the electrical systems causing the pilots to lose their flight instruments/transponder/radio, but the plane was still able to stay in the air for a time (I keep hearing people claim that this plane is able to stay in the air for a long time even in the case of massive mechanical failures), so the pilots tried to turn the plane around...in the dark...with no instruments or flight control to guide them and they just got lost? This is possible. It wouldn't be the first time pilots lost situational awareness and orientation during night time operations. It may very well be the case that they ended up losing control of the craft after a while of flying on and being completely off course outside of reliable primary radar coverage.
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oil rig? out of interest, how long did that site take to load? I waited around 5 minutes before I canned it.
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Anonymous Zebra posted:Serious post: Is it possible that something catastrophic occurred with the electrical systems causing the pilots to lose their flight instruments/transponder/radio, but the plane was still able to stay in the air for a time (I keep hearing people claim that this plane is able to stay in the air for a long time even in the case of massive mechanical failures), so the pilots tried to turn the plane around...in the dark...with no instruments or flight control to guide them and they just got lost? No electronics, radios or transponders? The weather was apparently good and even with no cabin electrics, you would have a magnetic compass, airspeed, altimeter, hopefully an artificial horizon, paper nav maps and a general idea of wind conditions. Peninsular Malaysia is not the wilds of Mauritania - it is pretty well lit up at night. The airport at KB is also pretty much the nearest part of Malaysia to the originally reported last known location of the flight and has a runway maybe 8000 feet long. PIC had like 15k hours, don't recall how many on type, but basically it would seem strange to me if that was their "only" problem and they didn't at least manage to make it back to land. If the plane had somehow passed north of KB and into the Straits of Malacca as reported, the pilots would have had to have missed Hat Yai and Krabi before going back out over the water and also somehow failed so badly at navigation that they didn't realise they were 100 miles into the Andaman sea. From memory, both Hat Yai and Krabi have airports big enough for a 777 BTW. Most likely it disintegrated in flight very close to its last reported location and we will eventually find the pieces.
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The Biscuit posted:out of interest, how long did that site take to load? I waited around 5 minutes before I canned it. It didn't take very long, about a couple of seconds. Loading each picture tile takes around a second or so.
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Saga posted:No electronics, radios or transponders? The weather was apparently good and even with no cabin electrics, you would have a magnetic compass, airspeed, altimeter, hopefully an artificial horizon, paper nav maps and a general idea of wind conditions. While you are right about all these things (not sure about the horizon though, think the gyros in it would need some juice) it's easy to become disoriented very quickly within seconds of losing all the flight instruments you have grown to rely on in those 15k hours. In fact, I would go so far as to say that full instrument information being always available would be severly detrimental to your capability to remain situationally aware in the case of complete information deprivation. That's not to say that complete electrical failure and a course deviation that big is likely, in fact I think all of this is probably untrue, but it's important to remember that it's really easy to make simple mistakes when something that out of the ordinary happens. The facts as they stand are pretty sparse, really: - We know that last known contact with air traffic control was at 01:30 AM at or near point IGARI which lies on the border of Malaysian and Vietnamese airspace. Close to that radio contact something happened which caused MH370 to no longer be picked up by ground based radar equipment. - We know that the aircraft was never in contact with Vietnamese ATC but when Ho Chi Minh asked another Malaysian flight to relay a message there was a "mumbling" reply. It is not possible to confirm whether this reply actually originated from MH370 or not. - We know that the Malaysian military detected a primary radar contact (no transponder, altitude or other details) 200 NM north west of Penang at 0215 AM. There is probably no way to confirm whether this was MH370 or not, but judging by the distance from last known previous position and the fact that primary contacts show up all the time on radar without there even being something there I'm inclined to say it wasn't. That's all that we know for sure at the moment. Any number of things could have happened. Elliptical Dick fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Mar 12, 2014 |
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Saga posted:No electronics, radios or transponders? The weather was apparently good and even with no cabin electrics, you would have a magnetic compass, airspeed, altimeter, hopefully an artificial horizon, paper nav maps and a general idea of wind conditions. Good reply. I don't know much about how planes work, so you are probably right about this. I've just been reading over the past few days on all the really stupid ways pilots manage to crash mechanically sound planes, and am spit-balling at ways a pilot could have hosed this up. EDIT: Also the surprising number of pilots that never radio "Mayday" while in the process of ramming their planes into the ground because they seem to think they have things under control.
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Stoic Commie posted:how the gently caress are they "trying" to triangulate the signal if passengers' phones are still ringing? Turn your phone off and call it. It'll still ring and the voicemail will still work... 
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Stoic Commie posted:how the gently caress are they "trying" to triangulate the signal if passengers' phones are still ringing? Because tracking the signal under hundreds of feet of water is more difficult when there are no cell phone towers nearby like the US where we have one every two blocks. Also being underwater something something the something due to something something something. I dunno, nothing about this makes sense but what the hell we are all here throwing poo poo against a wall now. I've not seen doorway to another dimension get mentioned yet although I guess the misplaced Bermuda triangle theory covers that angle. Al Borland posted:Turn your phone off and call it. It'll still ring and the voicemail will still work... Shhh, don't say that too loud.. they still have hope you know. Angela Christine posted:There are no cell towers in the ocean. I've already posted on the websites of the major carriers that they should start looking into this so there is coverage.. everywhere. demonR6 fucked around with this message at 13:40 on Mar 12, 2014 |
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