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coconono posted:The only buzz I remember about him was Snoop Dogg signing to his label. Master P was absolutely an A-Level rap star from 1996-98. No Limit Records had a huge impact on rap music with both it's content and business model. He (meaning his label) took rap from being a mostly niche thing about hardship to club hits about money and rims. No Limit retained all rights and masters to their content in their deal with Priority, which was unheard of at that time. You could argue Cash Money Records had a part in this change, but No Limit was the first. The problem with P is he got greedy and stingy with his signed talent. In 1998 most of his "stars" left, along with the producers who created the sound No Limit was famous for. No Limit fell off hard in 98 because of this. People didn't like the new No Limit sound or direction, so they faded quickly. WCW being WCW was about 2 years too late to the party.
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Mar 12, 2014 04:06
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Didn't they even screw up the Goldberg streak a little by making it go up absurd numbers every week? I think I remember that. Not like it mattered in the end since the guy was a phenomenon at his peak.
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Bubba Grace posted:He (meaning his label) took rap from being a mostly niche thing about hardship to club hits about money and rims.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Didn't they even screw up the Goldberg streak a little by making it go up absurd numbers every week? I think I remember that. Not like it mattered in the end since the guy was a phenomenon at his peak. I think the number inflation thing was Sid.
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Mar 12, 2014 04:16
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Luigi Thirty posted:Didn't they even screw up the Goldberg streak a little by making it go up absurd numbers every week? I think I remember that. Not like it mattered in the end since the guy was a phenomenon at his peak. They started adding 5-6 wins to his record near the end. There was a site that tried to track the streak and make sense of it with house show wins. Even then it's not close.
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Mar 12, 2014 04:21
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MassRafTer posted:They started adding 5-6 wins to his record near the end. There was a site that tried to track the streak and make sense of it with house show wins. Even then it's not close. I could have sworn for the most part the streak was legit (I think DDT Digest actually went through and found every win), with maybe a half dozen wins missing, but easily explained by 'we have no reports on a few house shows'. Regardless, I think the rumor started with Jericho making a comment in his book, and he's basically full of poo poo, as one would expect a wrestler to be.
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Mar 12, 2014 04:38
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Great White Hope posted:I could have sworn for the most part the streak was legit (I think DDT Digest actually went through and found every win), with maybe a half dozen wins missing, but easily explained by 'we have no reports on a few house shows'. WCW definitely started fudging the streak a bit in the summer and more as time went on. You could even see it on TV where people would bring signs and then as they started making things up the signs would all be wrong and stopped appearing. He just didn't wrestle that many matches in that time period.
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MassRafTer posted:WCW definitely started fudging the streak a bit in the summer and more as time went on. You could even see it on TV where people would bring signs and then as they started making things up the signs would all be wrong and stopped appearing. He just didn't wrestle that many matches in that time period. On top of that, there just wasn't enough time for him to even have those matches. For example, he would be 55-0 on Nitro and then 62-0 on Thunder of that same week.
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MassRafTer posted:They started adding 5-6 wins to his record near the end. There was a site that tried to track the streak and make sense of it with house show wins. Even then it's not close. That's so  to me. I don't remember this at all, but his televised matches and style were already impressive.
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Red posted:That's so This might blow your mind, but Kevin Nash was never really seven-feet tall and Barry Darsow can't hit a hole-in-one.
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Zack_Gochuck posted:This might blow your mind, but Kevin Nash was never really seven-feet tall and Barry Darsow can't hit a hole-in-one. Curt Hennig was actually perfect though, and you won't convince me otherwise.
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Diabolik900 posted:Curt Hennig was actually perfect though, and you won't convince me otherwise. No argument here. Curt Henning was the most wonderful human being in history, and the story of him trying to wrestling Brock Lesnar on a loving plane, followed by Triple H getting thrown into the emergency door always brings a smile to my face.
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Mar 12, 2014 14:44
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Chris Benoit wasn't a crippler, either, he was a murderer. Ironically Bret the hitman Hart never killed anyone for money, but Owen Hart did cripple Steve Austin. Stu gave all his proteges the wrong gimmicks.
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greatn posted:I remember the brief period WCW was ahead there was a lot of hilarious smug from WCW fans online and a lot of hilarious impotent rage from WWF fans. My favorite was claiming Goldberg was a sham and his streak was made up because he apparently lost a dark house match to like, Glacier or something around win number 40. Which is true, but a really dumb thing to quibble about. Glacier should have been the one to break the streak anyway. Thanks, Kevin Nash.
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Zack_Gochuck posted:No argument here. Curt Henning was the most wonderful human being in history, and the story of him trying to wrestling Brock Lesnar on a loving plane, followed by Triple H getting thrown into the emergency door always brings a smile to my face. The only thing better in this story is Vince doing the same thing with Kurt Angle. Minus the emergency doors.
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Zack_Gochuck posted:This might blow your mind, but Kevin Nash was never really seven-feet tall and Barry Darsow can't hit a hole-in-one. I know, but Goldberg mowing through jobbers was already working. Why just start inflating his record, when the legitimate number is already impressive? It wasn't enough to have him no-sell a stop sign shot, or beat up the entire Flock?
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DeathChicken posted:The only thing better in this story is Vince doing the same thing with Kurt Angle. Minus the emergency doors. Sounds like you haven't read about Vince taking the Doomsday device, and needing surgery for the resulting injury.
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Rusty Shackelford posted:On top of that, there just wasn't enough time for him to even have those matches. For example, he would be 55-0 on Nitro and then 62-0 on Thunder of that same week. A ref just followed him around as he beat up and pinned people at the grocery store, the mall, picking his kids up from school.
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triplexpac posted:A ref just followed him around as he beat up and pinned people at the grocery store, the mall, picking his kids up from school.
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triplexpac posted:A ref just followed him around as he beat up and pinned people at the grocery store, the mall, picking his kids up from school. I think you've confused Goldberg with Norman Smiley.
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triplexpac posted:A ref just followed him around as he beat up and pinned people at the grocery store, the mall, picking his kids up from school. So hr was Dikembe Mutombo in his golden years.
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Halloween Jack posted:Goldberg is Rickson Gracie? oh man that would have been a money match. Goldberg vs. Gracie.
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Bubba Grace posted:Master P was absolutely an A-Level rap star from 1996-98. No Limit Records had a huge impact on rap music with both it's content and business model. He (meaning his label) took rap from being a mostly niche thing about hardship to club hits about money and rims. No Limit retained all rights and masters to their content in their deal with Priority, which was unheard of at that time. You could argue Cash Money Records had a part in this change, but No Limit was the first. That's pretty much it. And it follows WCW's formula of following trends once they are no longer actual trends. Master P had already made a ton of money and was partially famous simply for making a huge amount of money in hip hop, WCW failed to see that his fame was fading. But he was definitely an A-Level player. However, he didn't fall down instantly. Keep in mind that Master P even had a song for South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut. The New Age Outlaws wore South Park shirts to please the audience, WCW decided to one up them and got Master P, the guy who had a song called Kenny's Dead. Although I do have to check the exact years...
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Red posted:I know, but Goldberg mowing through jobbers was already working. Why just start inflating his record, when the legitimate number is already impressive? It wasn't enough to have him no-sell a stop sign shot, or beat up the entire Flock? It's the same reason why Wrestlemainia 3's attendance was announced at 93,173. Hasn't Meltzer said in the past that the real number was closer to 78,000? Still drat impressive, but it's the carny mindset that is still in force- If 110-0 is good, then 130-0 is better.
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Kwik posted:It's the same reason why Wrestlemainia 3's attendance was announced at 93,173. Hasn't Meltzer said in the past that the real number was closer to 78,000? Still drat impressive, but it's the carny mindset that is still in force- If 110-0 is good, then 130-0 is better. For companies that want mainstream appeal, they still loving carny hard.
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Rad R. posted:That's pretty much it. And it follows WCW's formula of following trends once they are no longer actual trends. Master P had already made a ton of money and was partially famous simply for making a huge amount of money in hip hop, WCW failed to see that his fame was fading. But he was definitely an A-Level player. However, he didn't fall down instantly. Keep in mind that Master P even had a song for South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut. The New Age Outlaws wore South Park shirts to please the audience, WCW decided to one up them and got Master P, the guy who had a song called Kenny's Dead. Although I do have to check the exact years... Actually Master P had a song on the South Park album Chef Aid. If I remember right it was just a rap cover of Curtis Mayfield's Freddie's Dead but changing the name to Kenny's Dead. I still have the CD somewhere which I remember liking because along with having silly songs like Chocolate Salty Balls you also had songs from Ween, Devo, Primus and Joe Strummer. Apparently it also had a collaboration between DMX, Ozzy Osbourne, and Ol' Dirty Bastard which sounds incredible.
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bartok posted:Actually Master P had a song on the South Park album Chef Aid. If I remember right it was just a rap cover of Curtis Mayfield's Freddie's Dead but changing the name to Kenny's Dead. I still have the CD somewhere which I remember liking because along with having silly songs like Chocolate Salty Balls you also had songs from Ween, Devo, Primus and Joe Strummer. Apparently it also had a collaboration between DMX, Ozzy Osbourne, and Ol' Dirty Bastard which sounds incredible. Lets not forget that WWE had Issac Hayes sing Chocolate Salty Balls at WM 15 weekend.
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bobkatt013 posted:Lets not forget that WWE had Issac Hayes sing Chocolate Salty Balls at WM 15 weekend. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM9rnqdAx00 And yeah, that South Park album owned bones. I accidentally bought the censored version because I was a dumb kid, but that was only a problem with a couple of songs like the Ozzy/DMX/Ol' Dirty Bastard/Crystal Method collaboration. Here's the song, by the way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICR9EE4JTYs
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Wrestling has always been behind when it comes to pop culture; when WWE started having their wrestlers wear South Park shirts (as mentioned) in like early 1999 the show had a HUGE dropoff in popularity. Matt Stone and Trey Parker are very open about this fact if anyone gets a chance to listen to the 10th anniversary movie Bluray commentary. It wasn't until the movie hit did the show get a shock of life and it was uphill from that point on. But when John Tenta was carrying Cartman plushies to the ring, the show was considered a flash in the pan.
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Mar 13, 2014 04:26
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They started the Cartman stuff in the summer of 98 and the Oddities were gone by 99
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I remember when Golga accidentally lost his mask and the crowd loving blew up into an Earthquake chant. Proving they had Earthquake on the roster, everyone still loved him, and he continued being a masked retard because ???.
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DeathChicken posted:I remember when Golga accidentally lost his mask and the crowd loving blew up into an Earthquake chant. Proving they had Earthquake on the roster, everyone still loved him, and he continued being a masked retard because ???. Or maybe it was a taped RAW
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The Outlaws were wearing South Park shirts while they were still heels in '97. I remember this because I was shocked to see something so current on a pro-wrestling TV program.
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DeathChicken posted:I remember when Golga accidentally lost his mask and the crowd loving blew up into an Earthquake chant. Proving they had Earthquake on the roster, everyone still loved him, and he continued being a masked retard because ???. Because John Tenta had lost a LOT of weight, and the powers that be thought the crowd wouldn't buy him being Earthquake when he was significantly smaller.
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VogeGandire posted:Because John Tenta had lost a LOT of weight, and the powers that be thought the crowd wouldn't buy him being Earthquake when he was significantly smaller. Yokozuna was fired for getting too fat. Big Daddy V was fired for getting too fat. Chris Hero was fired because his attitude about training meant he might get fat one day. Kevin Steen probably won't get a job because he used to be really fat. Big Boss Man was highest on the card when he was at his fattest. Earthquake has to wear a mask and a Cartman shirt because he wasn't fat enough. Mickie James, attractive woman, nicknamed "Piggie James" because she wasn't model thin. Molly Holly, attractive woman, called fat because she wasn't model thin. So I have no idea.
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DeathChicken posted:I remember when Golga accidentally lost his mask and the crowd loving blew up into an Earthquake chant. Proving they had Earthquake on the roster, everyone still loved him, and he continued being a masked retard because ???. They had nothing for the Earthquake character?
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