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Usually at FNM I would put the entire thing in one sentence as a shortcut: "Block with this token, fling him after blocks." You might have to explain the concept to your opponent, or flag down a judge to confirm that your understanding of the rules is correct.
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Samael posted:So last night me and my friends did a massive casual multiplayer match, I was using my slightly adjusted MURDERGOATS with a white splash and I managed to act of treason my friend's ludevic's test subject (13/13), slapped a murder investigation on it, swung it back at him, sacrificed it to tymaret and 13 tokens appeared on the field, doing 26 damage to everyone because of purphoros's effect. It was the most fun I have had in a multiplayer match for a while. I like to think that it took thirteen detectives to determine that the murderer was the Murder King.
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Mar 14, 2014 15:36
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Yeah, watching pros play MODO really gives you a good understanding of priority and turn structure. You can learn a lot from that.
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Mar 14, 2014 15:39
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Mortimer posted:You can draft chromaticore decks, and it is glorious. Man you did not just compare the durdle fest that is Chromanticore to the glory that is Cruel Ultimatum. Plus, Alara block had its own wonderful durdly WUBRG cards in Maelstrom Nexus and Maelstrom Archangel and Child of Alara  (and Fusion Elemental I guess). Also casting a Conflux in limited and untapping was the best feeling. Compared to those, Chromanticore and literally nothing else to do with all those colors is just so mediocre.
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Mar 14, 2014 15:50
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BaronVonVaderham posted:I break things down like that with newer players to get them into good habits. Some of these players come from the Pokemon TCG, where the attack is the last part of the turn. And yes, it's fine to be bugged about the tapping/untapping thing because it implies either they skipped your chances at priority prior to the Declare Attackers step, or they are backing up into their Main Phase after getting a read on you. Lesson as always is to keep communicating, as simple as "what are you doing?".
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Mar 14, 2014 16:01
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Zoness posted:Man you did not just compare the durdle fest that is Chromanticore to the glory that is Cruel Ultimatum. I agree, My first time playing was in the shards block and it was glorious making 5 color bad stuff deck and slamming stuff like maelstrom archangel in draft and going along with it. You generally failed but had great fun trying. My favourite card from that set is Godsire, my first ever mythic which can make 8/8 tokens just by tapping it. 
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Mar 14, 2014 16:01
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Death Bot posted:Thragtusk reprinted in M15 I threw up in my mouth a little. This would be The Worst Thing.
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Mar 14, 2014 16:19
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I'd ragequit magic for a year.
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Mar 14, 2014 16:37
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FreelanceSocialist posted:I'd ragequit magic for a year. Just play Modern. 
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Mar 14, 2014 16:42
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To be fair, Thragtusk is a lot less scary in an environment that has Thoughtseize and Lifebane Zombie, and that doesn't have Unburial Rites or Restoration Angel. Still though. Thragtusk is very... aggressively costed.
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Mar 14, 2014 16:44
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I was reading up on the rules for the combat steps, and I never realized that announcing the damage assignment order after blockers are declared (not the actual assignment of combat damage) is actually A Thing that can be important for declaring properly when you have multiple blockers, when there are combat tricks going on. Is this one of the things that's usually ignored at FNM? If I'm double-blocking something, should I always prompt my opponent to announce the damage assignment order? This would only become relevant if I have a trick, so should I just ignore it otherwise? If I don't prompt him, and play my trick, then he would get to assign damage to best play around my trick. But if I prompt him for order, I could maybe get some extra value out of a combat trick. So it seems like always prompting him on double-blocks could maybe lull him into not thinking about his decision on the order, and how it would interact with my potential tricks. Or does always prompting make me a douchebag.
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Mar 14, 2014 16:48
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Attorney at Funk posted:To be fair, Thragtusk is a lot less scary in an environment that has Thoughtseize and Lifebane Zombie, and that doesn't have Unburial Rites or Restoration Angel. I've said it before, Thragtusk would probably be on cost if it had either ability, but not both. A 5 mana creature that gives you enough life and a blocker to last another turn and slow down most opponents? Sure! A 5 mana creature that's pretty powerful but is also resistant to removal? Fine! And they both would have played pretty well with flicker!
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Devor posted:I was reading up on the rules for the combat steps, and I never realized that announcing the damage assignment order after blockers are declared (not the actual assignment of combat damage) is actually A Thing that can be important for declaring properly when you have multiple blockers, when there are combat tricks going on. Is this one of the things that's usually ignored at FNM? Always prompting does not make you a douchebag, it makes you the one following the rules. Assigning blocker order is a required thing. In Magic, the defender almost always has the advantage since they get priority last.
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Mar 14, 2014 16:50
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Attorney at Funk posted:To be fair, Thragtusk is a lot less scary in an environment that has Thoughtseize and Lifebane Zombie, and that doesn't have Unburial Rites or Restoration Angel. Rescue from the underworld and chained to the rocks next stop value town!
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Mar 14, 2014 16:52
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Death Bot posted:I've said it before, Thragtusk would probably be on cost if it had either ability, but not both. A 5 mana creature that gives you enough life and a blocker to last another turn and slow down most opponents? Sure! A 5 mana creature that's pretty powerful but is also resistant to removal? Fine! And they both would have played pretty well with flicker!
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Mar 14, 2014 16:52
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Veyrall posted:Honestly, I think Thragtusk really needed trample in order to make it a Constructed-viable card. A 5/3 for 5 is just not good enough any more. Did you miss all of the last Standard season or something?
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Mar 14, 2014 16:53
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Veyrall posted:Honestly, I think Thragtusk really needed trample in order to make it a Constructed-viable card. A 5/3 for 5 is just not good enough any more. Haha good one
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Mar 14, 2014 16:56
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Fox of Stone posted:Rescue from the underworld and chained to the rocks next stop value town! "I use Whip of Erebos on my Thragtusk" 5/3 Haste for a turn, 5 Health, and you get left behind a baby Thragtusk for BB2.
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Mar 14, 2014 16:58
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Veyrall posted:Honestly, I think Thragtusk really needed trample in order to make it a Constructed-viable card. A 5/3 for 5 is just not good enough any more. Fantastic troll post
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Mar 14, 2014 16:58
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Eh, titans would be far worse than Thragtusk, but that's just me.
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Ramos posted:Eh, titans would be far worse than Thragtusk, but that's just me. Whip + titans would be insane. Inferno titan would poo poo out damage, prime time would be value town, sun titan would be a different kind of value town, Frost Titan would throw you back a few turns and zombie titan would make a small army. E: and also at least 6 life. I think inferno titan + whip would be the grossest because you would gain 12 life. Now I have a dumb idea for a modern deck. Bread Set Jettison fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Mar 14, 2014 |
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Mar 14, 2014 17:05
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I just wanna Whip back a Wurmcoil Engine. My favorite deck in the superstandard last hurrah of Scars Block was RG Trading Post with Wurmcoil Engines, Ichor Wellsprings, Slagstorms, Solemn Simulacrums, with green for ramp and Wolf Run.
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Mar 14, 2014 17:12
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Devor posted:I was reading up on the rules for the combat steps, and I never realized that announcing the damage assignment order after blockers are declared (not the actual assignment of combat damage) is actually A Thing that can be important for declaring properly when you have multiple blockers, when there are combat tricks going on. Is this one of the things that's usually ignored at FNM? The best way to do this, I find, is to ask "who are you killing?" That's enough to establish block order and is something you'd want to know with or without a trick. Of course, if you're making a double block that would kill both your guys, you might just have to bite the bullet and ask directly. If you play your trick and your opponent wants to order blockers in a way to invalidate that trick, he'll be rewinding to before you played your trick. Both declaration of blockers and damage order assignment happen at the beginning of Declare Blockers, without a priority pass between them.
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Entropic posted:I just wanna Whip back a Wurmcoil Engine. Dude! I ran a deck like that during that same time, with Spine of Ish Sah, a couple of Phyrexian Metamorphs, Wurmcoil Engine, and other durdly nonsense. It was great.
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Veyrall posted:Honestly, I think Thragtusk really needed trample in order to make it a Constructed-viable card. A 5/3 for 5 is just not good enough any more. Why do I feel like this isn't a troll post, but instead a quote from when M13 was spoiled
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Still waiting for someone to buy all the $1 Thragtusks on the market right now, throw them in a big pile, light it on fire and post to Reddit.
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Entropic posted:I just wanna Whip back a Wurmcoil Engine. This wouldn't do what you want it to.
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Thragtusk doesn't have all of the stuff that made it nuts (big flicker theme and also that summer when it was in with pod) but it's still a very good card. Think about how people are perfectly fine paying 5 for gary. Thragtusk fits in with this meta very well.
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Thragtusk would be better if it was costed as like 1GGGG or something.
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Death Bot posted:Why do I feel like this isn't a troll post, but instead a quote from when M13 was spoiled Edit: Holy poo poo, people were trying to build around Fencing Ace. Edit 2: Holy poo poo, I was obsessed with Essence Harvest for some reason. I think it was because the name is awesome. 
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Mar 14, 2014 17:50
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bhsman posted:Thragtusk would be better if it was costed as like 1GGGG or something. It's really funny how Nykthos warps how card costs are evaluated. A 3GG thragtusk would be pretty much strictly better than a 4G thragtusk. Wistful Selkie is better than Elvish Visionary for the modern Genesis Wave deck.
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I just remember some guy lamenting that green seemed to be improving with creatures like Thragtusk while blue got a creature like Talrand. I mean, I really like Talrand, but uh  EDIT: Some guy on Star City, not here
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I remember something about thragtusk being bad during spoiler season but I mostly remember how no one thought delver was worthwhile.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:I remember something about thragtusk being bad during spoiler season but I mostly remember how no one thought delver was worthwhile. Yeah, Delver was initially played as a replacement for phantasmal dragon in the illusions deck. Even then people were unsure if it deserved a place, and often thought that Phantasmal bear was the better card. I should note this opinion changed very quickly afterwards.
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It took a relatively long time for delver to find its place. Delver was a deck in legacy before it was a deck in standard.
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Dr. Stab posted:It's really funny how Nykthos warps how card costs are evaluated. A 3GG thragtusk would be pretty much strictly better than a 4G thragtusk. Wistful Selkie is better than Elvish Visionary for the modern Genesis Wave deck. The best part of this is that the most effective devotion creatures are the ones that were created with the exact opposite design philosophy. Where devotion is about sticking to a color, hybrid mana is about making two colors interchangeable. Personally, I think hybrid mana should count for half rounded up or down for devotion.
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Holy poo poo, have my opinions always been this awful? I
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Entropic posted:And I keep waiting for someone to break Gift of Immortality somehow. Festering Newt, Bogbrew Witch and Bubbling Cauldron 
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Entropic posted:And I keep waiting for someone to break Gift of Immortality somehow. My first idea would be abhorrent overlord, too bad if you have black devotion it's already more efficient to slap down a gray merchant. Which leads to my second idea: gray merchant, immortality, either block a giant GR monster or use removal on your own gray merchant.
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Gift of Immortality on Lifebane Zombie sounds like a simple but powerful interaction to me. Turn 4 being able to repeatedly see your opponent's hand or swing in for 3 damage? Great against 50%+ of the decks in Standard right now ripping creature cards out of their hand.Veyrall posted:I almost want to delve into the old threads to find out. Korak fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Mar 14, 2014 |
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