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Gift of immortality works on any mid-sized annoying threat. I'm surprised no-one has stuck it on a boros reckoner yet.
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Mortimer posted:My first idea would be abhorrent overlord, too bad if you have black devotion it's already more efficient to slap down a gray merchant. Sac Gary to Bubbling Cauldron...or like any of the other Black sac options.
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Mar 14, 2014 18:40
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Mulletstation posted:Gift of immortality works on any mid-sized annoying threat. Playing it for value is less fun than WOMBO COMBO
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Mar 14, 2014 18:42
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bhsman posted:Thragtusk would be better if it was costed as like 1GGGG or something. I always thought Thragtusk and Vorapede should've had their casting costs swapped. Madmarker posted:Yeah, Delver was initially played as a replacement for phantasmal dragon in the illusions deck. Even then people were unsure if it deserved a place, and often thought that Phantasmal bear was the better card. I should note this opinion changed very quickly afterwards.
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Mar 14, 2014 18:48
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Festering Newt, Bogbrew Witch and Bubbling Cauldron Black white Angelic Accord deck here I come!
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Mar 14, 2014 18:52
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Entropic posted:I always thought Thragtusk and Vorapede should've had their casting costs swapped. Yeah for the longest time, it didn't even run Geist of St. Traft either. It was a great evolution, and that decks growth and change over time is a definite factor in keeping me interested in Innistraad, and magic in general. To this day I still don't understand why people disliked the standard Delver deck, it was such a fun, skill testing deck.
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Mar 14, 2014 18:56
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Madmarker posted:To this day I still don't understand why people disliked the standard Delver deck, it was such a fun, skill testing deck.
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Mar 14, 2014 18:58
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Madmarker posted:Yeah for the longest time, it didn't even run Geist of St. Traft either. It was a great evolution, and that decks growth and change over time is a definite factor in keeping me interested in Innistraad, and magic in general. Because they hadn't bought Snapcasters and GOSTs and anything else they tried to put together was just miserable against Delver.
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Madmarker posted:Yeah for the longest time, it didn't even run Geist of St. Traft either. It was a great evolution, and that decks growth and change over time is a definite factor in keeping me interested in Innistraad, and magic in general. Because people hated t1 delver, t2 delver, ponder, no shuffle, t3 flip both delvers revealing vapor snag. Not to mention the occasional blind delver flip mana leak t2 openers. The deck was incredibly threat dense because at one point it ended up playing I think 17 or 18 lands (Although maybe this was just Shuhei) in a deck that was casting Restoration Angel. I thought Delver was a cool deck and fun to play against, but a lot of people hate counters. The recent deck I hated the most was the following rotations Jund value deck running Thragtusk, Olivia Voldaren, Liliana of the Veil and Huntmaster of the Fels. That deck was just a miserable sixty hour grind every single match. I can't even imagine what it would have been like without Nephalia Drownyard.
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Going back through the archives, it looks like there were some initial naysayers, but Thragtusk was so blatanly pushed it didn't take long for them to at least grudgingly give it a couple of sideboard slots. Maybe. Here are some of the relevant posts. (click for HUGE)
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Mar 14, 2014 19:09
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Going back to five color control for a moment, with all the good mana fixing in Modern could that deck work in the format, assuming money wasn't an issue? Or would it be too slow?
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Mar 14, 2014 19:16
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Basically whenever there is a single clear "best deck" in a format, there will be about an equal split between players who are running it and loving it and those who don't like it and wish they could go more than two rounds without facing it again. See also caw-blade.
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Mar 14, 2014 19:18
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C-Euro posted:Going back to five color control for a moment, with all the good mana fixing in Modern could that deck work in the format, assuming money wasn't an issue? Or would it be too slow? The closest I have seen to that is Paul Cheon used to mess around playing Cruel Control at some point last year. The format is too fast for anything like that to be a genuine threat of taking down tournaments, but Cheon won some matches with Cruel Control and that recently printed UR Fact or Fiction could probably go into it. If you want genuine five color control I've never seen anyone run viable list in Modern.
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Mar 14, 2014 19:19
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Domain Zoo sort of plays five colors, but it's definitely not control.
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rabidsquid posted:The closest I have seen to that is Paul Cheon used to mess around playing Cruel Control at some point last year. The format is too fast for anything like that to be a genuine threat of taking down tournaments, but Cheon won some matches with Cruel Control and that recently printed UR Fact or Fiction could probably go into it. There's practically no reason to play Steam Augury in Modern when Gifts Ungiven is in the same format.
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Mar 14, 2014 19:23
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Zoness posted:There's practically no reason to play Steam Augury in Modern when Gifts Ungiven is in the same format. I actually forgot about Gifts, which gives you an idea of how long it has been since anyone has even bothered messing around with that stuff. Modern is just too fast of a format.
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Would Fact or Fiction be too good for Modern? I feel like it would be fine.
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Mulletstation posted:Gift of immortality works on any mid-sized annoying threat.
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Entropic posted:Would Fact or Fiction be too good for Modern? I feel like it would be fine. Fact or Fiction probably wouldn't be too good for Modern, but I think it's probably too good for Standard, which would be the only way to get it in Modern.
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Mar 14, 2014 19:31
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rabidsquid posted:I actually forgot about Gifts, which gives you an idea of how long it has been since anyone has even bothered messing around with that stuff. Modern is just too fast of a format. Reid Duke posted an article about Gifts Tron just today 
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rabidsquid posted:The closest I have seen to that is Paul Cheon used to mess around playing Cruel Control at some point last year. The format is too fast for anything like that to be a genuine threat of taking down tournaments, but Cheon won some matches with Cruel Control and that recently printed UR Fact or Fiction could probably go into it. His argument was pretty much that "the downside is that you have to play worse spells than UW or UWr control decks, but the upside is that you get to cast Cruel Ultimatum", so I suspect it was more nostalgia than thinking the deck is a real contender.
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Mar 14, 2014 19:33
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Entropic posted:See also caw-blade. I honestly thought cawblade was worse (it was). The innistrad format was a really good evolving format at first, but it eventually boiled down to 3 decks: Naya, Zombies, Delver. It kind of became a more obvious game of rock paper scissors.
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Mar 14, 2014 19:35
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ScarletBrother posted:Fact or Fiction probably wouldn't be too good for Modern, but I think it's probably too good for Standard, which would be the only way to get it in Modern. They printed Thoughtseize in Standard. Anything is possible.
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Mar 14, 2014 19:41
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Caw-Blade was right when I started playing again after a 15 year hiatus and I'm surprised I stayed. I probably only lasted because there were only a relatively few people at my LGS who had bought all their jaces and poo poo for it, so there were plenty of other scrubs for me to play against once I lost the first round and my crappy GB infect deck that I hadn't even bought Inkmoths for yet was able to occasionally win against people playing Vampires or lifegain or what-have-you.
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Veyrall posted:Going back through the archives, it looks like there were some initial naysayers, but Thragtusk was so blatanly pushed it didn't take long for them to at least grudgingly give it a couple of sideboard slots. Maybe. Weird seeing my own evaluation from so long ago. I was definitely right on the splashability and Resto Angel interaction being big selling points on Thragtusk, but somehow still sorely underestimated his usage. I always liked the card, but I think it seemed like a hard sell at the time that a green 5-drop would be the defining creature of Standard. And thinking it couldn't hold a $5 pricetag 
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NofrikinfuN posted:The best part of this is that the most effective devotion creatures are the ones that were created with the exact opposite design philosophy. Where devotion is about sticking to a color, hybrid mana is about making two colors interchangeable. Hybrid = monocolour time isn't new/weird/an unknown factor for Wizards or Magic play generally. It was a notable trait of Shadowmoor/Eventide draft for example.
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qbert posted:They printed Thoughtseize in Standard. Anything is possible. Comparing Thoughtseize to Fact or Fiction makes about as much sense as saying that Chromanticore existing in current Standard is comparable to playing Cruel Ultimatum in 5CC Standard.
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Veyrall posted:Going back through the archives, it looks like there were some initial naysayers, but Thragtusk was so blatanly pushed it didn't take long for them to at least grudgingly give it a couple of sideboard slots. Maybe.
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Sleep of Bronze posted:Hybrid = monocolour time isn't new/weird/an unknown factor for Wizards or Magic play generally. It was a notable trait of Shadowmoor/Eventide draft for example. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason all the gatecrash rare hybrid creatures had 3 hybrid mana in their cost each was because of how well they interact with devotion. The design on hybrid isn't there the cards are two colors, it's that they're monocolor in two colors.
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Nibble posted:Weird seeing my own evaluation from so long ago. I was definitely right on the splashability and Resto Angel interaction being big selling points on Thragtusk, but somehow still sorely underestimated his usage. I always liked the card, but I think it seemed like a hard sell at the time that a green 5-drop would be the defining creature of Standard. And thinking it couldn't hold a $5 pricetag Thragtusk wasn't a Delver killer. It looked promising as a curve top in the emerging Naya decks, but we couldn't have predicted RTR would kill tempo and add premium rare removal to make midrange so viable, or that an explosive triple color aggro deck would emerge to make that life gain so valuable. It was obviously a good card but The Year Of Midrange was all about giving Thragtusk a bunch of good homes. My worries were about whether it would find a home as a four of, and I don't think that's insane. I think where we missed the mark is realizing that if it DID get a strong midrange environment, it would be so dominant that the EV of picking them up at five was still good.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Thragtusk wasn't a Delver killer. It looked promising as a curve top in the emerging Naya decks, but we couldn't have predicted RTR would kill tempo and add premium rare removal to make midrange so viable, or that an explosive triple color aggro deck would emerge to make that life gain so valuable. It was obviously a good card but The Year Of Midrange was all about giving Thragtusk a bunch of good homes. My worries were about whether it would find a home as a four of, and I don't think that's insane. Yeah, it was obviously designed to screw with Delver decks, but at 5 mana it was just to little to late against the aggro control deck. However, once delver lost access to its sweet, sweet spells (Oh Mana Leak we hardly knew ye) Thragtusk was able to dominate.
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Korak posted:That Nibble fellow is a smart guy. Need to get him to review every set. I'm on the case  Nehru the Damaja posted:Thragtusk wasn't a Delver killer. It looked promising as a curve top in the emerging Naya decks, but we couldn't have predicted RTR would kill tempo and add premium rare removal to make midrange so viable, or that an explosive triple color aggro deck would emerge to make that life gain so valuable. It was obviously a good card but The Year Of Midrange was all about giving Thragtusk a bunch of good homes. My worries were about whether it would find a home as a four of, and I don't think that's insane. Yeah context is huge. I don't recall, did Thragtusk even make a splash before RTR brought in Sphinx's Rev and Supreme Verdict? And what's the three-color aggro deck? The main one I remember from early in the season was monoblack or BR Zombies featuring Cackler/Ghoul/Gravecrawler and company.
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Nibble posted:I'm on the case Thragtusk showed up in Naya midrange and pod decks. The aggro was Naya blitz.
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Looks like 'CrackGate' has concluded with a suspension. 18 months! Here's Helen's announcement: http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/news/20140314 Here's the updated list, which I liked better when they listed reasons: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dci/suspended
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Dont forget Thragtusk showed up in trading post sometimes!
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En Fuego posted:Looks like 'CrackGate' has concluded with a suspension. 18 months! I still think there are much better names than 'CrackGate' to really shoehorn in the relation to wizard cards. Crackdown comes to mind. Maybe one of the photos could have been a Yawning Fissure.
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Zoness posted:I still think there are much better names than 'CrackGate' to really shoehorn in the relation to wizard cards. Crackdown comes to mind. Maybe one of the photos could have been a Yawning Fissure. I know Riki Hayashi was throwing around Crackling Perimeter.
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Zoness posted:I still think there are much better names than 'CrackGate' to really shoehorn in the relation to wizard cards. Crackdown comes to mind. Maybe one of the photos could have been a Yawning Fissure. Really they just needed to flip the words. Gatecrack is much more fitting.
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En Fuego posted:Here's the updated list, which I liked better when they listed reasons: Me too, the only recent one I know on there is the guy from Massapequa, who was the store owner in this story. The lifetime bans are always interesting to wonder what they did to get a lifetime ban.
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