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So did either the photographer or the people with their butts hanging out get bans or just the criminal mastermind?
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JerryLee posted:"Hurtful acts" What gets me is that she uses the language "disrespect" in the announcement, but does not acknowledge at all the massive disrespect that baring your rear end in public shows, not to mention on a seat that 10 or 15 other players have to use. As I've said before, Magic OP got what they deserved in the form of bad publicity for their game. Hopefully they take more away from this than "ban anyone who shows how lax we are about enforcing hygiene at our events". It is encouraging to hear about that Judge's presentation at GPDC though, sounds like it was spot on.
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Mar 14, 2014 22:00
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ScarletBrother posted:If their livelihood becomes threatened because of their own scummyness, they will be incentivized to change. The WPN doesn't really do that very well, depending almost entirely on people voicing complaints before they contact a T.O. They need to implement some way in which they can find out how well their retail partners are delivering a positive experience, secret shoppers, judges. I'm not sure what the solution is but I don't think relying on people who get annoyed enough to ring them up, but not annoyed enough to quit, is really a good way to do things.
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Mar 14, 2014 22:04
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I agree that the process needs to be improved, but doing literal nothing is the worst thing you can do to affect change.
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Mar 14, 2014 22:05
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tzirean posted:Both, usually. TO always, guy saying it when I know who it was. Lord Of Texas posted:What gets me is that she uses the language "disrespect" in the announcement, but does not acknowledge at all the massive disrespect that baring your rear end in public shows, not to mention on a seat that 10 or 15 other players have to use.
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Mar 14, 2014 22:05
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ScarletBrother posted:I agree that the process needs to be improved, but doing literal nothing is the worst thing you can do to affect change. I don't understand your point since doing "literal nothing" is the perfect way to describe the WPNs response to years and years of people asking "How come my LGS was allowed to run a PTQ in the filthy basement of an abandoned tuberculosis hospital" Korak posted:I believe there is a way of leaving a comment on Wizard's store site? I've heard of stores being made to crack down or losing WotC support. It's a pretty big deal to Wizards. It literally matters not at all. A new Judge Candidate at one of the stores I Judge at and TO recently went hog wild giving away prize support before he should have and just generally breaking a gently caress ton of rules. People complained, our WPN rep spoke with me for less than a minute about it. There is absolutely zero structure or system in place to track or record these kind of problems, promote improvement, or punish constant infractions. Its not very good. Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Mar 14, 2014 |
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Mar 14, 2014 22:07
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ScarletBrother posted:Fact or Fiction probably wouldn't be too good for Modern, but I think it's probably too good for Standard, which would be the only way to get it in Modern. Man, I'm so used to only seeing the modern border version of FoF that I never realized it was originally printed outside of Modern-legal sets in Invasion.
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Mar 14, 2014 22:07
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Stinky Pit posted:I don't understand your point since doing "literal nothing" is the perfect way to describe the WPNs response to years and years of people asking "How come my LGS was allowed to run a PTQ in the filthy basement of an abandoned tuberculosis hospital" Two wrongs don't make a right?
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Mar 14, 2014 22:08
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Korak posted:I wish people would stop strawmanning "but no one has mentioned how disrespectful showing your rear end is." Literally zero people in this thread have suggested it is ok for someone to sit with their asscrack hanging out of their pants. No one wants this. What I personally want is for people to tap the individual on the shoulder, lean in and let them know. If the person doesn't adjust themselves, then get a Judge involved. Very few people, perhaps no one, would refuse a Judge's request to pull up their pants. This solves the at least the pants issue. It is not a strawman and I'm not talking about anyone in this thread, sorry if you took that to be a shot at you somehow. I'm talking about the person who actually has power to change the policy (or lack thereof).
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Mar 14, 2014 22:09
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ScarletBrother posted:Two wrongs don't make a right? Oh! Right, you're saying people should continue to speak up, yeah, absolutely. Also if you find yourself doing that, look into getting your L1, so that you can be the official voice for improvement at your LGS
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Mar 14, 2014 22:12
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Lord Of Texas posted:It is not a strawman and I'm not talking about anyone in this thread, sorry if you took that to be a shot at you somehow. I'm talking about the person who actually has power to change the policy (or lack thereof). Clearly this is some sort of epidemic, since the photographer found, what, 12 whole people out of 4,304? Judges are already empowered to deal with these situations. However, most people would rather make fun of hygiene offenders behind their backs than actually get the situation fixed.
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Mar 14, 2014 22:14
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Stinky Pit posted:Oh! Right, you're saying people should continue to speak up, yeah, absolutely. Also if you find yourself doing that, look into getting your L1, so that you can be the official voice for improvement at your LGS I am, in fact, already a Rules Adviser and am coordinating with the local L2 to take the L1 test in the near future!  Fortunately for me, all 3 of my LGS are reasonably clean, well-lit, and welcoming.
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Mar 14, 2014 22:14
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Gyshall posted:Caw Blade standard was degenerate as gently caress. I can't even remember a deck that you could play that wasn't blue/white with Jace and a bunch of swords/birds/etc. A ton of people will swear it was the most skilltesting mirror-match ever and the most fun you could possibly have playing magic.
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Mar 14, 2014 22:16
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ScarletBrother posted:I am, in fact, already a Rules Adviser and am coordinating with the local L2 to take the L1 test in the near future! Just wait until you go to take the L1, and quickly realize it's easier than the Rules Advisor test you already passed.
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Mar 14, 2014 22:16
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That's what everyone tells me. I've been jamming the Easy Practice Test on the judge center in my spare time also.
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Mar 14, 2014 22:18
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I hope an eventual outcome of this is GP Phoenix Sponsored By Suave®
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redstormpopcorn posted:I hope an eventual outcome of this is GP Phoenix Sponsored By Suave® I always liked how Old Spice sponsored MLG.
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Brownhat posted:Clearly this is some sort of epidemic, since the photographer found, what, 12 whole people out of 4,304? Have you attended a Magic event? This and a million other hygiene issues are not isolated to GP Richmond. Wizards can't solve them all (like the unbelievably high percentage of players failing to wash their hands while coming out of the bathroom, loving disgusting) but some of them just require a little bit of effort from those in charge. quote:Judges are already empowered to deal with these situations. Several judges (including one I know personally) have actually tweeted to Elaine asking for better support and/or more clearly defined guidelines from Wizards on the issue of hygiene. quote:However, most people would rather make fun of hygiene offenders behind their backs than actually get the situation fixed. I don't know who you're talking about, but I'm pretty sure most people would rather play in an environment with no hygiene offenders than any other option.
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Lord Of Texas posted:Several judges (including one I know personally) have actually tweeted to Elaine asking for better support and/or more clearly defined guidelines from Wizards on the issue of hygiene. It's not Wizards' job to define rules on hygiene. It's up to stores/TOs to set those standards. If someone's hygiene is bad enough that it's disrupting a tournament, then the judge should be handling it.
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The point is that to this point TOs are not, and have not addressed the problem, and at some point it is the responsibility of the WPN to address it and other problems with the community. I am a Judge, and my TO is great, but I've have no clue how I would go about addressing the problem if I had an indifferent TO. Many places don't even have Judges. Also by what logic is WOTC not allowed to establish standards for hygiene? They've established standards for speech, they've established standards for what you can have on your loving sleeves. I don't see how that can lead someone to determine "Welp, they can drat well make rules about everything else, but not hygiene because ~*ReaZonz*~ Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Mar 14, 2014 |
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Mar 14, 2014 22:38
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Nissir posted:I showed up to a FNM in a suit and people freaked the gently caress out, thought the FBI was going to arrest the owner for kiddie porn or something. I did this once at a GPT that was directly after a friend's wedding. All day my opponents were like  , especially since these events attract the douchebag self-proclaimed "grinders" from all over the area (any time that word comes out of someone's mouth two things are true: they're a condescending dick, and they're actually terrible at this game). Made top 8, too.
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Mar 14, 2014 23:02
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Is there a website where I can find a comprehensive guide on exactly what all the special rules do and how they work? The little poster thing that comes with the start sets is astoundingly bad at teaching you anything.
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Longshot007 posted:Is there a website where I can find a comprehensive guide on exactly what all the special rules do and how they work? The little poster thing that comes with the start sets is astoundingly bad at teaching you anything. By special rules, do you mean things like "deathtouch" or "regeneration" that aren't always explained on the card? If so, try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Magic:_The_Gathering_keywords
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Stinky Pit posted:The point is that to this point TOs are not, and have not addressed the problem, and at some point it is the responsibility of the WPN to address it and other problems with the community. The hygiene problems probably need to be dealt with within the player community, because I don't think WotC's marketing department has the charisma needed to spin "Most of you smell bad, clean it up" into something that won't make them lose customers. I don't know if anyone would, this behavior has been tolerated for all of Magic's life. It's rare, but I've seen TOs kick people out of tournaments for smelling horrible, and the ironic thing is that maybe this whole ordeal will force TOs to take notice more. I also read a Tweet from Helene that was something along the lines of "Dress codes vary widely from country to country, so it's a tall order to write up policy."
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BJPaskoff posted:The hygiene problems probably need to be dealt with within the player community, because I don't think WotC's marketing department has the charisma needed to spin "Most of you smell bad, clean it up" into something that won't make them lose customers. I think a new set of Promos, FTV's, Duel Decks could help out with the awareness effort. Meanwhile, a second campaign could extol the virtues of cleanliness. FTV: Hygiene. Featuring cards like Scrubland, Wipe Clean, Wash Out, and Urza's Hot Tub. But wait, there's more, we could do Duel Decks: Clean vs Dirty. The dirty side would get cards like Engineered Plague, Drown in Filth, Befoul, etc.
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Zoness posted:I think a new set of Promos, FTV's, Duel Decks could help out with the awareness effort. Make an entire expansion set with booster packs split between the factions for a prerelease gimmick. You don't pick your faction, the TO evaluates you when you show up and assigns you one.
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JerryLee posted:Make an entire expansion set with booster packs split between the factions for a prerelease gimmick. You don't pick your faction, the TO evaluates you when you show up and assigns you one. Finally, a set for that Ooze lord Maro wants to make.
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JerryLee posted:Make an entire expansion set with booster packs split between the factions for a prerelease gimmick. You don't pick your faction, the TO evaluates you when you show up and assigns you one. "We've run out of packs of Innistrad Defiled. Now all players will have to use the Innistrad: the Cleansing product."
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Mar 14, 2014 23:38
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Did the new duel deck set come out today? Did people determine if it was worth buying or not yet?
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Did the new duel deck set come out today? Did people determine if it was worth buying or not yet? http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1438
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Mar 14, 2014 23:56
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Man Magic Forge rapidly becomes real unfun if you're trying to play Quest mode "properly" without cheating. Hard decks just start dropping moxes and poo poo all over the place.
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PrinnySquadron posted:Man Magic Forge rapidly becomes real unfun if you're trying to play Quest mode "properly" without cheating. Hard decks just start dropping moxes and poo poo all over the place. IIRC it has level scaling, in that it'll bring you more and more broken decks until you start to lose, then slowly bring it down. At least that's what I've found 
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I haven't played EDH in a long while but I was wondering if anyone w/ an opinion would be able to tell me what the general strongest decks are right now? Found a store that wants to do group games w/ prize support but none of the lovely Sheldon points stuff so I'm allowed to just be a huge dickbag. Assume standard multiplayer banlist because I don't know otherwise.
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The March Hare posted:I haven't played EDH in a long while but I was wondering if anyone w/ an opinion would be able to tell me what the general strongest decks are right now? Found a store that wants to do group games w/ prize support but none of the lovely Sheldon points stuff so I'm allowed to just be a huge dickbag. Assume standard multiplayer banlist because I don't know otherwise. If the games are 1v1, you may want to look at the French banlist, which is focused on 1v1 play. I know that the Bird Wizard guy from the 2013 Commander decks is banned, so that's a reasonable starting point if you have good Bant stuff.
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The March Hare posted:I haven't played EDH in a long while but I was wondering if anyone w/ an opinion would be able to tell me what the general strongest decks are right now? Found a store that wants to do group games w/ prize support but none of the lovely Sheldon points stuff so I'm allowed to just be a huge dickbag. Assume standard multiplayer banlist because I don't know otherwise. What's your budget? Maelstrom Wanderer is supposedly number one?
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The March Hare posted:EDH... w/ prize support
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Mortimer posted:What's your budget? Maelstrom Wanderer is supposedly number one? What? Not even close.
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Mortimer posted:IIRC it has level scaling, in that it'll bring you more and more broken decks until you start to lose, then slowly bring it down. At least that's what I've found Ah, right. Might just be I haven't lost enough yet, since all the decks are still diffculty "hard". My rag-tag B/W/G deck was no longer cutting it  EDIT: I still think starting you at 15 life is a little harsh.
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Mortimer posted:What's your budget? Maelstrom Wanderer is supposedly number one? Middling, I've got a decent collection I can start trading off if need be. I currently have a fairly strong but very slow Gaddock Teeg deck that I figure I'll play at the first few nights until I get a better idea of what is going on. I'll peep Wanderer decks and I'll consider 5c combo stuff but I'm not sure how well it would work. (Unless Judas is right and wanderer isn't very good.) Also, the only concrete info I got out of the shop keep was that it was explicitly not 1v1 commander. I used to play w/ french banlist and if I were doing that it would be way easier to find The Best Deck. It is not 1 on 1 !!!! The March Hare fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Mar 15, 2014 |
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