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sullat posted:Wasn't 2013 the first year in quite some time that the PPD managed to make it through without killing some unarmed minority? Maybe things are changing, but they do a pretty good job of quashing any oversight or review of their actions. I can't say for certain whether they managed to not kill any "unarmed" and/or non-white people, but I remember that they totally killed two mentally ill-people who only really seemed to be dangerous to themselves last year so...pretty much business as usual here.
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Dusseldorf posted:Does Sheriff John Bunnell still hold a job in Oregon law enforcement? He retired in 1995. I had no idea he was an Oregonian until I looked him up though. Never liked his show much.
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I just moved to Tacoma, WA from wonderful Columbia, SC about a year ago, and I feel like I've come back home, somehow. The biggest difference I see here compared to The South is that people actually give at least somewhat of a poo poo about the place they live, which is certainly not the case in many places in South Carolina. I feel like people at least want it to be better, even if they don't agree on how to make it better. In the South it felt like everyone had resigned themselves to the shittiness that is The South with no hope to make it better, which only perpetuates the shittiness. There's an oppressive air there all the time that I do not miss at all. But yes, the traffic sucks; fortunately I can get where I need to go (most of the time) using local roads; if you don't have to leave your local area for work, transit is much easier. It probably also helps that I'm in Tacoma though. Racism here definitely still exists, but it's more hidden. The schools here are still some of the most diverse I've ever worked in. Also the education system here is way better than in The South, and there are far fewer behavior problems as well. It's incredible to actually have union representation; I had no idea how unions worked until I moved here. A lot of people complain about things here, but I feel like I can't because I know how much worse it could be.
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Rusty posted:Portland is really white, and maybe it's just that sometimes the only exposure people have to the black community is through news reports of gang shootings and the like, and possibly most of the police interaction withy the black community is the same. Anyway, just my observations, so it may not be much different from cities with higher minority populations, but it seems like it. From my experience living in LA for a bit, and conversation with people from elsewhere, the attention given to this sort of stuff is bigger here than other places. In many other cities, a minority getting shot by the cops is not news. The media won't cover it unless there is something sensational about it, and being unarmed isn't sensational. Hip-hop concerts being raided is not news worthy, and not worth an investigation. Again, I think this sort of hyper-sensitivity (relative to the rest of the US) is awesome. Small minority groups getting attention for these kinds of abuse is a good thing. I'm glad stuff like that raises eyebrows here, because I've seen places where much larger minority groups get abuses heaped on them and not only is nothing reported about it, but people generally treat it as a "good start" rather than a problem.
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Complaining is the official pass-time of the Pacific NW.
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:From my experience living in LA for a bit, and conversation with people from elsewhere, the attention given to this sort of stuff is bigger here than other places. Which is kind of the thing to keep in mind, while a lot of us lefty-loons in the PNW might get a bit hyperbolic about how pervasive bigotry is here, we get hyperbolic in part because it would be really easy to just ignore the actual problems that exist here. The-Mole posted:Complaining is the official pass-time of the Pacific NW. Well that too, but that's just because it's so lame here, like, it's not real enough man.
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However, it's forbidden to complain to anyone that is the actual cause of your troubles. This is known as "confrontation" and is very un-Cascadian.
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I wish some people would stop being such jerks about Cascadian culture.
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Ernie Muppari posted:I wish some people would stop being such jerks about Cascadian culture. Sounds like an excuse to protest. The usual 'Waterfront Park to Pioneer Courthouse Square' route, or should we try blocking up a bridge with bicycles? Not tomorrow though. Sounds like this Saturday is already booked by The White Man March and an Anti-Fascist counter protest. 
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Have many goons gotten out to the San Juan Islands? They are really nice for a weekend visit or even a day trip to go hiking, even riding the ferry and seeing all the tinier islands is a lot of fun too. It would be nice to live there but I think their economy is bit limited, and they lack some modernization. About a year ago the underwater fiber optic line going the islands got cut, and so no one had phones, internet, or could buy anything with a debit/credit card for about three days.
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Just gotta say, as someone who plans on moving with his significant other from the Midwest to Seattle, I'm really glad this thread exists. It helps me gauge the trends of politics in the PNW and - so far - I think I would basically be "coming back home" identity-wise as a previous posters mentioned when I move out to Seattle. I've already been doing tele-conferences with the Socialist Alternative and, politically speaking, the PNW aligns a lot better with my political interests better than anywhere else.
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:should we try blocking up a bridge with bicycles? I remember biking around/through traffic (its been a while) and I always felt like it was up to me to not jump in front of multi-ton objects that were moving fast.
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TheRamblingSoul posted:Just gotta say, as someone who plans on moving with his significant other from the Midwest to Seattle, I'm really glad this thread exists. It helps me gauge the trends of politics in the PNW and - so far - I think I would basically be "coming back home" identity-wise as a previous posters mentioned when I move out to Seattle. Don't actually be dissuaded by our description of this region as being nothing but carrot juice drinkers and nazis. There's really a lot more to the region than that. Oh yeah, and carrot juice is actually pretty tasty.
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FRINGE posted:This is the farthest north I have ever lived and the suicidal If one would ride the tiger, they must always stay on top. 
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Mojo Threepwood posted:Have many goons gotten out to the San Juan Islands? They are really nice for a weekend visit or even a day trip to go hiking, even riding the ferry and seeing all the tinier islands is a lot of fun too. It would be nice to live there but I think their economy is bit limited, and they lack some modernization. About a year ago the underwater fiber optic line going the islands got cut, and so no one had phones, internet, or could buy anything with a debit/credit card for about three days. I've camped there more than once. Perfect place for a bicycle trip. I have occasional dreams of retiring there with a creaky boat someday.
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Mojo Threepwood posted:Have many goons gotten out to the San Juan Islands? They are really nice for a weekend visit or even a day trip to go hiking, even riding the ferry and seeing all the tinier islands is a lot of fun too. It would be nice to live there but I think their economy is bit limited, and they lack some modernization. About a year ago the underwater fiber optic line going the islands got cut, and so no one had phones, internet, or could buy anything with a debit/credit card for about three days. I've vacationed with my family on the San Juan's, it was a great experience. Things feel a bit rustic and out of the way, but can still enjoy most modern creature comforts. It's another environmentally distinct area of the state that enjoys a ton of variety. For me, Washington represents some of the best, most beautiful and varied hiking in North America. I go backpacking each year as many times as I can, and there are so many incredible destinations here it makes it hard to justify leaving the state for my trips. In the North Cascades alone there are enough trails to occupy an enthusiast for a lifetime. This is Remmel lake, a 30ish mile drive and 20 mile hike from Winthrop  While we were staying there some cowpokes passed through and pulled a dozen cutthroat trout from that lake for their dinner. It was another amazing trip, despite the fact that we got rain every day (and some serious hail on the way to Upper Cathedral Lake in early September!). This trip had us ascending through a huge swathe of recent burn, breaking into some traditional PNW old-growth and eventually reaching high elevation parkland in a matter of just 2 days. We actually ended up giving a couple old guys who got badly rained out a ride back home from the trailhead on the way out. One of the guys was 76, the other just a bit younger, and they were both hardcore ultra-light enthusiasts. They had a ~110 mile route planned for something like just 8 full days on the trail. Talking with them about their experiences was a great cap to the trip. They didn't regularly treat their drinking water, apparently to no ill effect (!) for decades (!!!) and had only recently begun to do so. I'm hoping to visit The Enchantments this year, and do a ~2 week solo hike somewhere in the North Cascades as well. Here To Help fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Mar 16, 2014 |
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Here To Help posted:They didn't regularly treat their drinking water, apparently to no ill effect (!) for decades (!!!) and had only recently begun to do so. You can get away with this on fast moving mountain streams, but I wouldn't recommend it. Those little filter pumps are worth the piece of mind, because abdominal cramps and diarrhea are the worst when you are backpacking.
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Does anyone have an opinion/insight into Washington-3 (Clark County and SW Washington) and Jaimie Herrera-Beutler? She came into office on the Tea Party wave of 2010, and I am trying to figure out whether she has won reelection through A) incumbency B) being a good politician C) SW Washington being more conservative than I usually think of it as being or D) re-districting. Right now, she is the only Republican congresswoman west of the Cascades, and I wonder how long that can last.
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glowing-fish posted:Does anyone have an opinion/insight into Washington-3 (Clark County and SW Washington) and Jaimie Herrera-Beutler? Apparently redistricting did make it slightly more conservative but it's also gone to the Republicans in all but one presidential election (2008) since 2000.
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Vancouver Washington is also where a lot of Portland conservative flee to. That way, they can have the job opportunities of a big-ish city, no income tax as a Washington resident and hop across the river to buy stuff without sales taxes in Oregon. Also a lot of failed business owners who go there for more favorable capital gains taxes when they liquidate. They also had a huge problem with people in SW Washington registering their cars in Oregon because it was much cheaper for a while. Washington ended up lowering their registration fees. Portland's right wing radio celebrity, Lars Larson, moved to Vancouver after trying to avoid property taxes in Portland by living on a houseboat. In general, it is a hub for the gently caress-you-got-mine types. And not surprisingly, they vote for gently caress-you-got-mine policies and politicians.
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Mojo Threepwood posted:Have many goons gotten out to the San Juan Islands? They are really nice for a weekend visit or even a day trip to go hiking, even riding the ferry and seeing all the tinier islands is a lot of fun too. It would be nice to live there but I think their economy is bit limited, and they lack some modernization. About a year ago the underwater fiber optic line going the islands got cut, and so no one had phones, internet, or could buy anything with a debit/credit card for about three days. The only time I went out there, I got to see a whole pod of killer whales swimming by, therefore the San Juan Islands are awesome. 
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:Vancouver Washington is also where a lot of Portland conservative flee to. That way, they can have the job opportunities of a big-ish city, no income tax as a Washington resident and hop across the river to buy stuff without sales taxes in Oregon. Also a lot of failed business owners who go there for more favorable capital gains taxes when they liquidate. They also had a huge problem with people in SW Washington registering their cars in Oregon because it was much cheaper for a while. Washington ended up lowering their registration fees. Portland's right wing radio celebrity, Lars Larson, moved to Vancouver after trying to avoid property taxes in Portland by living on a houseboat. Explains why our mayor lives there, I guess.
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sullat posted:Explains why our mayor lives there, I guess. Sort of the Spock beard equivalent contrasting town similar to Colorado Springs vs Denver.
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etalian posted:Sort of the Spock beard equivalent contrasting town similar to Colorado Springs vs Denver. This sort of things can be found all over the US. Be it conservative/liberal, rich/poor, white/minority. Here it can be a bit more contentious because the two are in different states, so they can't just have disputes settles by a single state's courts or legislature.
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Since I can't find the PNW thread in GBS, here's the rundown of poo poo: I'm going to be moving out on my own, with a friend who will be moving to this state (Washington) in the very near future. Currently, I live in Tacoma, closer to University Place to be exact. Wondering if it's better to look closer in my current area, or look for a place near Seattle, for example?
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staticman posted:Since I can't find the PNW thread in GBS, here's the rundown of poo poo: You live here, you know how expensive poo poo gets near Seattle. Tacoma ain't bad and it's not too far from the excitement, you could look in Fed Way/Auburn/Kent if you want to be closer but anything more and property goes through the roof.
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staticman posted:Since I can't find the PNW thread in GBS, here's the rundown of poo poo:
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This is probably the best place for this: Streetwise (1984) is a documentary about a group of homeless youths in Seattle who are all 13-17 I would say and frankly it is an eye opener. from wiki: quote:Streetwise is a 1984 documentary film by director Martin Bell.[1] It followed in the wake of a July 1983 Life magazine article, "Streets of the Lost", by writer Cheryl McCall and photographer Mary Ellen Mark,[2] Bell's wife.[3] Watch the whole thing here, if you don't care about social justice watch it for the 80's clothes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eIoa8eccm8 Also, this is not in any way an AMERIKKKA post because in Canada we have our very own Pacific Northwestern open air drug market/prostitution zone. The downtown east side. Here is a decent National Film Board of Canada doc about Vancouver's DTES (I'm sure many of you are familiar with the area, but I always write to inform first of all just in case): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwFRsfATaag And a song that conveys the vibe of the area by Montreal Anarchist prog-rock sensation Godspeed You! Black Emperor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9Ty3YnWN80 Edgar Quintero fucked around with this message at 11:08 on Mar 17, 2014 |
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staticman posted:Since I can't find the PNW thread in GBS, here's the rundown of poo poo: Consider moving further into Tacoma, you can go in on a real house on gridded streets. Living in north Seattle and working in Kirkland has led me to appreciate what a loving housing desert it is up here. Unless you are an engineer or something, then go for it. Don't fool around with the mini-Portland buboe that is downtown Tacoma, however. Don't play it that way, those hipsters are tempting the wrath of god. Live on McKinley Ave and shop at tiendas 
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Seattle City council just passed caps on ride sharing services like Lyft, UberX, etc. Thoughts? Seems like 100% graft to current taxi licensees.
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Sock on a Fish posted:Seattle City council just passed caps on ride sharing services like Lyft, UberX, etc. About half the time I call a taxi here nothing shows up, so gently caress them I hope they all go out of business.
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Sock on a Fish posted:Seattle City council just passed caps on ride sharing services like Lyft, UberX, etc. Doesn't this mean Lyft, UberX, et al are legal now?
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bartkusa posted:Doesn't this mean Lyft, UberX, et al are legal now? Legal and capped at 150 drivers each, which is going to be ridiculous. Worst case someone dies when they get hit by a driver that's distractedly trying to sign in and grab an open spot.
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SedanChair posted:Consider moving further into Tacoma, you can go in on a real house on gridded streets. Living in north Seattle and working in Kirkland has led me to appreciate what a loving housing desert it is up here. Unless you are an engineer or something, then go for it. There are good things in downtown Tacoma, though. I really like the Harmon, and Tinkertopia is rad. Also Grand Cinema is the best movie theater in Washington.
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Sock on a Fish posted:Legal and capped at 150 drivers each, which is going to be ridiculous. Worst case someone dies when they get hit by a driver that's distractedly trying to sign in and grab an open spot. Uh that's a little wild case there considering how the system works. Murray is playing at being pitiful with the law, saying that its wrong and sucks but shucks guess he has to sign it hurr durr. Say what you will about McGinn, at least he fought the council for giving him junk laws.
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I don't understand where the perception that Seattlites are cold and unfriendly comes from. Obviously people that have never met the raging assholes that are Vancouverites.
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"The Vancouver Freeze" doesn't quite have the same ring to it, you have to admit. Or "Burn". Whichever.
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Hedera Helix posted:"The Vancouver Freeze" doesn't quite have the same ring to it, you have to admit. Or "Burn". Whichever. From what I've experienced, its more the Vancouver gently caress You Got Mine. And I think what some people call the 'Seattle Freeze' is normal. New neighbor moves into the house next door? Inviting them over for dinner is weird. Here we say "Hello." awkwardly as we pass for the first few weeks, maybe if they aren't terrible get to know them over the next year or so.
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Mrit posted:From what I've experienced, its more the Vancouver gently caress You Got Mine. You know, i never made that connection. It all makes sense why r/vancouver is full of bitcoin assholes
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