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Splicer posted:"Ability scores: Are they worth salvaging?" Death to ability scores!
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Mystic Mongol posted:Death to ability scores!
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Mar 15, 2014 06:37
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Mystic Mongol posted:Death to ability scores!
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Mar 15, 2014 07:25
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Why isn't it like, Warhammer Fantasy RP 3rd edition, but without the gay rear end cards and wacky dice that end up acting like book DRM?
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Mar 15, 2014 08:00
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Fungah! posted:pillars of eternity's looking pretty good and rope kid's been pretty up-front about 4e being a big influence, especially in combat. also tome's like 90% of the way to being a singleplayer 4e game. the dungeon design kind of sucks and it's way the gently caress too long, but i've sunk umpteen hours into it and the combat and class systems are really good ToME is absolute poo poo.
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Mar 15, 2014 08:08
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swamp izzo posted:ToME is absolute poo poo. i'm interested in hearing why you think that
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Mar 15, 2014 08:24
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stoutfish posted:i'm interested in hearing why you think that Ugly rear end tiles, the sound effects + music drive me insane, the writing sucks and is everywhere, and the gameplay is banal. It boils down to take every single skill and use every skill on cool down. My guys always die around level 20 from instagib and I worry that I am far more likely to develop a repetitive stress injury than ever unlock the oozemancer class, which probably plays about the same as the rest of the classes.
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Mar 15, 2014 08:34
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Oh and you have to grind out dungeons that are basically the same, on every single character, except for the occasional random unique who instagibs you the moment you walk into line of sight.
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Mar 15, 2014 08:40
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It owns in DC:SS when you finally own Siegfried, when he cons red to you.
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Mar 15, 2014 08:42
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LSTB posted:It owns in DC:SS when you finally own Siegfried, when he cons red to you. It owns in stone soup when you have an extremely badass vine stalker going and then on vaults 5 you learn that vine stalkers are susceptible to silver when a vault guard and a centaur warrior both slaughter you with silver ammunition ftw.
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Mar 15, 2014 08:48
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swamp izzo posted:Ugly rear end tiles, the sound effects + music drive me insane, the writing sucks and is everywhere, and the gameplay is banal. It boils down to take every single skill and use every skill on cool down. My guys always die around level 20 from instagib and I worry that I am far more likely to develop a repetitive stress injury than ever unlock the oozemancer class, which probably plays about the same as the rest of the classes. it's true, tome is maddeningly repetitive. i can never get into crawl for some reason
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Mar 15, 2014 08:59
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swamp izzo posted:Ugly rear end tiles, the sound effects + music drive me insane, the writing sucks and is everywhere, and the gameplay is banal. It boils down to take every single skill and use every skill on cool down. My guys always die around level 20 from instagib and I worry that I am far more likely to develop a repetitive stress injury than ever unlock the oozemancer class, which probably plays about the same as the rest of the classes. also it takes a whole lot of pointless time to get to that point like theyve reduced the number of dungeon floors for a lot of the earlygame ones and it still takes fuckin forever to get through them and reach a conclusion of "hit this unique/boss and plow through effortlessly" or "hit this unique boss and pancake against it, reroll i guess?"
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Mar 15, 2014 09:10
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01011001 posted:also it takes a whole lot of pointless time to get to that point It doesn't take that long. Couple hours but my Apm is high, for a white man. That's where the repetitive stress injury comes in.
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Mar 15, 2014 09:20
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LSTB posted:Why isn't it like, Warhammer Fantasy RP 3rd edition, but without the gay rear end cards and wacky dice that end up acting like book DRM? Because when a vaguely competent developer team make a game and gently caress right up you get warhammer fantasy 3rd which is actually pretty fun but if you don't have a vaguely competent developer and they gently caress up/around you get NEXT.
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Mar 15, 2014 09:48
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A console-based 4e game could be really cool casual fun to play. Still not getting the Next hate though - for those who think it's balls what system do you like?
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Mar 15, 2014 14:32
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swamp izzo posted:Ugly rear end tiles, the sound effects + music drive me insane, the writing sucks and is everywhere, and the gameplay is banal. It boils down to take every single skill and use every skill on cool down. My guys always die around level 20 from instagib and I worry that I am far more likely to develop a repetitive stress injury than ever unlock the oozemancer class, which probably plays about the same as the rest of the classes. i can't argue with most of that, everything outside the class system is loving garbage and the earlygame esp. is insanely repetitive. i like the class system a lot though, most of the classes play fairly differently from each other and figuring out a build for your guy is pretty fun. hopefully the new campaign will cut out a lot of the bullshit though, instagib being the number one cause of death is stupid as poo poo
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Mar 15, 2014 15:56
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LSTB posted:Why isn't it like, Warhammer Fantasy RP 3rd edition, but without the gay rear end cards and wacky dice that end up acting like book DRM? The cards and dice are, actually, the best part of that game.
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Mar 15, 2014 16:44
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swamp izzo posted:It doesn't take that long. Couple hours but my Apm is high, for a white man. That's where the repetitive stress injury comes in. yeah im just thinking it usually took me half an hour, an hour before anything was a threat? and then some dumb bullshit pops up and thats that. i probably just have a low tolerance for the time spent, especially compared to something like sil where death can pretty much always be around the corner after the first floor if youre not careful
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Mar 15, 2014 16:54
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funny how in nethack and adom there is instagib stuff but it only kills you if you don't know it's coming, but there is no sort of prepareded ness to deal with it in tome. it's almost as if save or die is bullshit.
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Mar 15, 2014 16:59
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stoutfish posted:funny how in nethack and adom there is instagib stuff but it only kills you if you don't know it's coming, but there is no sort of prepareded ness to deal with it in tome. deadly poison in nethack's pretty hosed. or it would be if it took more than like twenty minutes to get poison res. had a couple bullshit gnomes with a wand of death though, that was hosed up tome you usually have some options to deal with the instagib poo poo, it's just sometime the game rolls gently caress you and there's nothing you can do about it. like in my last game i had a monster one-shot me from outside of LoS like fifty turns after i cleared out the rest of the level. dumb as gently caress
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Mar 15, 2014 17:06
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pugnax posted:Still not getting the Next hate though - for those who think it's balls what system do you like? Well, we can safely assume anyone who cares enough to have looked at Next already plays some other version of D&D. And since this is SA, we can assume most of the people who think it's balls, like 4e.
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Mar 15, 2014 18:54
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Next appeals to neither 3tard nor 4rry, but rather, the insane idiots who liked AD&D, IE human filth.
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Mar 15, 2014 20:50
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Asymmetrikon posted:The cards and dice are, actually, the best part of that game.
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Mar 15, 2014 21:01
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I really like Edge of the Empire's dice, but I feel like the action card system is a more interesting way of interpreting the symbols. If only they could combine the two, we'd have the objectively best RPG.
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Mar 15, 2014 21:44
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I hear EotE made the WFRP3e system too storygamey. Anyway, I mostly play roll20, so until they let you download decks off a cloud server, screw cards.
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Mar 15, 2014 21:48
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Depends on what you mean by story-gamey; most of it's just generic skill-check system like WFRP3e is, but they got rid of actions and replaced them with kinda nothing. The destiny point system in Edge is better than the fortune point system in WFRP, though.
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Mar 15, 2014 21:53
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LSTB posted:I hear EotE made the WFRP3e system too storygamey. Anyway, I mostly play roll20, so until they let you download decks off a cloud server, screw cards. When I played an EotE game online, the GM ran roll20 through google hangout so he could use an app built to accommodate the game's dice system. Searching for 5 seconds, I found one for WFRP3e's dice system. I presume someone has made a similar application for the cards though I did not find one in my quick search. In other words, they might let you do that.
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Mar 15, 2014 21:54
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roll20's poo poo for pretty much anything that isn't the moving tokens around on a table part (their chat's weird and non-standard, the card system is loving garbage), so it's best to just use roll20 for a fake table and run your card drawer / dice roller elsewhere.
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Mar 15, 2014 21:57
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Covok posted:When I played an EotE game online, the GM ran roll20 through google hangout so he could use an app built to accommodate the game's dice system. Searching for 5 seconds, I found one for WFRP3e's dice system. I presume someone has made a similar application for the cards though I did not find one in my quick search. In other words, they might let you do that. Yeah, you can set up roll20 to automatically roll on a table, so you can make a table that represents each die face, so wacky dice aren't a problem. Custom cards are gay though, like you gotta upload each card image separately, and then that deck is only good for the specific game you made it in, you gotta recreate it if you start a new campaign. Relatively, setting up tables for EotE is much easier. WarHamFan is a much cooler setting than Original Trilogy IMHO tho.
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Mar 15, 2014 21:59
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The best solution would be for someone to suck it up and make a VASSAL module for WFRP3e, but until then, it's gonna remain a better experience IRL
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Mar 15, 2014 22:00
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It's pretty drat awesome IRL if that helps.
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Mar 15, 2014 22:18
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LSTB posted:Yeah, you can set up roll20 to automatically roll on a table, so you can make a table that represents each die face, so wacky dice aren't a problem. Custom cards are gay though, like you gotta upload each card image separately, and then that deck is only good for the specific game you made it in, you gotta recreate it if you start a new campaign. Relatively, setting up tables for EotE is much easier. WarHamFan is a much cooler setting than Original Trilogy IMHO tho. Hmm, that does make sense. I'm not the most technologically inclined individual so I didn't consider those factors. That said, I feel there must be preexisting software for playing board games online considering how many techies tend to be in this hobby. I wouldn't be shocked if someone used one of those programs to run WFRP3e and left the module openly available. I'm also going to point out that I got curious as to the price of this title and found it to be running for 136 US dollars on amazon. That's pretty expensive, atleast for my budget. As cool as it may be, is it really worth that much money?
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Mar 15, 2014 22:24
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Covok posted:Hmm, that does make sense. I'm not the most technologically inclined individual so I didn't consider those factors. That said, I feel there must be preexisting software for playing board games online considering how many techies tend to be in this hobby. I wouldn't be shocked if someone used one of those programs to run WFRP3e and left the module openly available. I'd say it'd depend on whether you have a group of interested players. I mean, any mainstream RPG you buy up a bunch of splats for might eventually end up costing you that much, and you can multiply the hours of entertainment you get out of it by the amount of people at the table.
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Mar 15, 2014 22:28
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Covok posted:That said, I feel there must be preexisting software for playing board games online considering how many techies tend to be in this hobby. I wouldn't be shocked if someone used one of those programs to run WFRP3e and left the module openly available. VASSAL is the board gaming software that most people use, and afaik it doesn't have a WFRP3e module. I know MapTool does, but who wants to use that thing.
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Mar 15, 2014 22:41
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Asymmetrikon posted:VASSAL is the board gaming software that most people use, and afaik it doesn't have a WFRP3e module. I know MapTool does, but who wants to use that thing. LSTB posted:I'd say it'd depend on whether you have a group of interested players. I mean, any mainstream RPG you buy up a bunch of splats for might eventually end up costing you that much, and you can multiply the hours of entertainment you get out of it by the amount of people at the table. I guess to get back on topic, did anyone watch that live show WoTC had going earlier?
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Mar 15, 2014 23:39
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Frankly, both VASSAL and MapTools are not very good programs. They're hastily thrown together, and MapTools is a hulking beast of code (I hope you like manually increasing your Java stack size so you can actually use macros). VASSAL's the better of the two, but still not ideal.
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Mar 15, 2014 23:44
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Maptool was very slow and clunky even when I had simple needs. Doing anything in it was a usability nightmare.
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Mar 15, 2014 23:46
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Funny story about Maptool. One time it crashed so hard it corrupted the campaign our DM was using. But we had backups. But they also corrupted. I had backups that worked for me but were corrupted for him. The Macros we were using were also corrupted for him but not for me, so he would have had to remake them entirely. So he tried uninstalling and reinstalling Maptool, Java, whatever. Didn't work. He reset Windows back to factory standard and essentially wiped his computer and...still corrupted. Maptool is great.
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Mar 15, 2014 23:54
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Pathfinder is the result of d20 fetish porn. WotC became what it was in part because of the founder's weird partner-swapping drinking games. Large parts of Forgotten Realms lore are based on Ed Greenwood's polygamous marriages. The history of D&D is written with dicks
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fatherdog posted:Pathfinder is the result of d20 fetish porn. WotC became what it was in part because of the founder's weird partner-swapping drinking games. Large parts of Forgotten Realms lore are based on Ed Greenwood's polygamous marriages. 
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