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Powershift posted:BMWs naming has been hosed for years. they split the 4 series off to be the 'coupe' of the 3 series, and now they're making a 4 door 4 series. Hell, they already did that a few years back with the 6 Series.
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Mar 15, 2014 21:29
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No but you see, coupé refers to the body shape, not the number of doors  Ugh, I guess if having a billion models doesn't cost much and gives people choice than they can knock themselves out. But it seems like we're getting to the point where the brand would start to get diluted. So you have a BMW now? A 2-series? Is that the badass coupe or a lovely FWD van?
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Mar 15, 2014 21:40
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HotCanadianChick posted:I sat in an M235i at an auto show here recently, it's about the same size or slightly bigger than my E46, and the interior felt kinda chintzy. There's better cars for the money. Also keep in mind the cheap 228i doesn't include the sport or m-sport packages, and by the time you get a few options on it (like anything other than plain white or black paint), it's a $40,000 car. You'd be paying $5000 more than your BRZ for a car with less features than your base BRZ has (other than the more powerful engine) - stripper base model BMWs are notoriously stingy with any kind of goodies, in an attempt to upsell you on the (hugely expensive) option packages and higher trims. I know all the M crap is expensive, but hopefully the car is good enough without it. Also my BRZ has a horribly out dated nav, horrible stereo, horrible "infotainment" all around, it doesnt have any goodies.
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Mar 15, 2014 21:51
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Stealth Like posted:Yes, I have (and own an e92 335i). There have been plenty of complaints about how they don't drive like true BMWs and other such nonsense. I'm sure the F30 will be accepted as a BMW purist car in 30 years when they're all electric or something. Linedance posted:A few weeks ago I had to spend a week doing a 100 mile each way commute, mostly motorway, in a rental A-class. Self driving cars can't come soon enough.
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Mar 15, 2014 22:06
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mobby_6kl posted:No but you see, coupé refers to the body shape, not the number of doors ISO 3833-1977 posted:The International Standard ISO 3833-1977 defines a coupé as having a closed body, usually with limited rear volume, a fixed roof of which a portion may be openable, at least two seats in at least one row, two side doors and possibly a rear opening, and at least two side windows. Mercedes-Benz can gently caress right off. The CLS is, at the most generous, a hardtop sedan.
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Mar 15, 2014 22:09
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Ahaha there's an actual ISO standard defining this  Anyway that's certainly not my opinion, but it is what's constantly parroted by the apologists whenever another bastardized abomination to fill in some imaginary niche is introduced.
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Mar 15, 2014 22:31
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Now I'm curious about the cars with unlimited rear volume.
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Mar 15, 2014 22:34
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InitialDave posted:While I really don't like E36s, it's specifically E36s. I think E46s and E90s are fine cars, and they're certainly better all-round cars than what has come before. They may not feel as chuckable, but they're bigger, more comfortable cars now. I'd say the successor to the E30 325i is probably more the M135i than anything with a 3 or 4 at the start of its badge. I did once I got into Gloucestershire. But the M4/A419 from London to Cheltenham via Swindon during the rainiest winter ever at 6am, when all the fun A and B roads are probably underwater... autopilot please. At least the A-Class has excellent cruise control for being non-adaptive.
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Mar 15, 2014 22:34
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I'm fairly certain there's only one reason that BMW split cars like the 3/5 series in to the 4/6 series, and it isn't to differentiate 4 door cars from 2 doors. It's so they can charge more money for a higher number 
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Mar 15, 2014 23:03
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Stealth Like posted:I'm fairly certain there's only one reason that BMW split cars like the 3/5 series in to the 4/6 series, and it isn't to differentiate 4 door cars from 2 doors. It's so they can charge more money for a higher number They were shamelessly charging more for the coupe before. It's probably just so coupe owners can look down on lowly sedan owners. I sat in a 235i at the auto show and it was quite comfortable. The aluminum trim was real aluminum, unfortunately the plastic trim was real plastic.
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Mar 15, 2014 23:20
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Powershift posted:They were shamelessly charging more for the coupe before. It's probably just so coupe owners can look down on lowly sedan owners. quote:I sat in a 235i at the auto show and it was quite comfortable. The aluminum trim was real aluminum, unfortunately the plastic trim was real plastic.
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Mar 15, 2014 23:34
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Coming soon, the new BMW Pi-series crossover coupé MPV convertible!
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Mar 16, 2014 00:05
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KozmoNaut posted:Coming soon, the new BMW Pi-series crossover coupé MPV convertible! they've already copied the rondo, why not copy the murano cross cabriolet
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Mar 16, 2014 00:12
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Powershift posted:they've already copied the rondo, why not copy the murano cross cabriolet X6M GranCoupe Cabriolet!
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Mar 16, 2014 00:20
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Stealth Like posted:How dare you enjoy your car that is both faster and more comfortable than previous generations of said car. I can't wait to hear 10 years from now people pining for the halcyon days of F30s and how the new ones are poo poo. I remember around the time I joined people would go on and on about how terrible e36s were and how the e30 was the only true 3 series anyone should ever buy. Pretty hilarious. It's never going to stop being funny showing people their posts from 5 or 10 years ago (my own posts on various forums included), but BMW (well, all brands really) forums are especially gold for this. I've seen the sentences "if you just know how to build an engine right you don't need a turbo" and "forced induction is a crutch for manufacturers that are too lovely get it right otherwise" used unironically on the swedish BMW club forums soo many times, and from a lot of different posters. And then came the N54. (The M102/M106 is NEVER spoken of.) I'm sorry, I can't stop myself from throwing it in their faces now! Edit: Oh, and I'll have you know that two years ago, Mr Clarkson said of the E90 M3 "This is the best car, and always will be, and there's no point in ever thinking otherwise". 
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Mar 16, 2014 00:38
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fknlo posted:X6M GranCoupe Cabriolet! X6M GranCoup Cabriolet! xDrive420i for Windows
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Mar 16, 2014 01:29
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The Minneapolis Auto Show is going on this week (ends tomorrow), so I stopped by a couple times to take in the sights. Aside from the usual cars, the highlights were: • Audi RS7 in estoril blue • The new A3 sedan (which is sharp), • the new Corvette in hardtop and convertible. The latter was pretty much being ignored, didn't help that it was white. • the new GMC Canyon, which is larger than I expected it to be; no new Chevy Colorado, unfortunately. • 2015 Tahoe and Suburban, both of which are huge. • 2015 Mustang in silver with black wheels I also got a chance to look inside the new Jeep Cherokee to see if I could figure out why it's been selling so well up here. The interior is really nice. I mean, a lot nicer than I expected. They also had the Jeep Experience where you could ride in a Wrangler, Cherokee or Grand Cherokee around a little circuit with a 35º ascent/descent and some other obstacles. I did it twice hoping to get a ride in the Cherokee, but ended up in a Wrangler and then in a GC. Anyway, I came away impressed by the Cherokee up close. Its looks aren't as horrible in person, and its interior is pretty nice. I'm still not buying one, but now at least I understand why it's doing well.
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Mar 16, 2014 02:27
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DropShadow posted:The Minneapolis Auto Show is going on this week (ends tomorrow), so I stopped by a couple times to take in the sights. Aside from the usual cars, the highlights were: Damnit! I heard there's only two being used for promotion, and the one that was supposed to come to the Calgary auto show (also this week) was damaged by idiots in Toronto somehow. Joke's on them, I didn't end up going once I heard there was no Mustang.
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Mar 16, 2014 03:29
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PT6A posted:Damnit! I heard there's only two being used for promotion, and the one that was supposed to come to the Calgary auto show (also this week) was damaged by idiots in Toronto somehow. Joke's on them, I didn't end up going once I heard there was no Mustang. There was nothing worth seeing anyways. The 2015 f-150 was roped off, and apart from that there was nothing you couldn't see on a dealers lot right now besides maybe the wrx/sti which will be out this month, and the 2015 GTI. Nobody on the floor knew a god drat thing about any of the vehicles. half of the cars didn't have power systems energized, so electric seats was stuck in the "short motherfucker" seat position. Noticably missing vehicles: 2015 navigator bmw 5 series bmw 2 series active tourer chevy canyon/gmc colorado (not showing off the new pickup in Alberta of all places.  )ATS coupe and that's just off the top of my head.
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Mar 16, 2014 04:02
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BMW chat; the E46 coupe is probably the last BMW I really loved. It has a very timeless look in my opinion. I do think that new Gran Coupe 4-series is pretty nice looking though.
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Mar 16, 2014 04:21
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SouthLAnd posted:BMW chat; the E46 coupe is probably the last BMW I really loved. It has a very timeless look in my opinion. The 6 series gran coupe is probably the only modern BMW that floors me.
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Mar 16, 2014 04:30
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Powershift posted:There was nothing worth seeing anyways. The 2015 f-150 was roped off, and apart from that there was nothing you couldn't see on a dealers lot right now besides maybe the wrx/sti which will be out this month, and the 2015 GTI. Yeah, the car show really sucked last year too. Was it always this bad, or did it take a massive dive? Two or three years ago I remember it not being quite as horrible.
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Mar 16, 2014 04:43
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PT6A posted:Yeah, the car show really sucked last year too. Was it always this bad, or did it take a massive dive? Two or three years ago I remember it not being quite as horrible. Last year i went to the show in edmonton, was given full access to every porsche on the floor, sat in a pre-production silverado, and hooned the gently caress out of a dodge dort in the parking lot. This year in calgary it seemed like the only purpose was to sell last year's models that are piling up on dealers lots, and signing you up for the company spamlist by offering you a 1/50000 chance of winning a $500 gas card. I would say it has absolutely gone downhill.
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Mar 16, 2014 04:48
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Powershift posted:There was nothing worth seeing anyways. The 2015 f-150 was roped off, and apart from that there was nothing you couldn't see on a dealers lot right now besides maybe the wrx/sti which will be out this month, and the 2015 GTI. There's already a new 5er? or a facelift? The new M5 just came out i thought. Surely the FWD 2 series van is not going to North America, not even BMW I is that stupid? Then again I thought the same thing when they revealed the X6 and yet here we are. EDIT You know most Canadians live in Ontario and Quebec and only buy Mitsubishi Mirages right? I bet you vote in federal elections too. 
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Mar 16, 2014 04:59
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Throatwarbler posted:There's already a new 5er? or a facelift? The new M5 just came out i thought. I mean the F10. They had the M6 gran coupe(locked unless you flash your BMW key  ) and m6 there, but no 5 series at all. The FWD 2 series hatchvan is indeed coming to north america, and i guarantee you will see them absolutely everywhere because it will be a cheap way into The Badge™
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Mar 16, 2014 05:04
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Powershift posted:This year in calgary it seemed like the only purpose was to sell last year's models that are piling up on dealers lots, and signing you up for the company spamlist by offering you a 1/50000 chance of winning a $500 gas card. I would say it has absolutely gone downhill. It always pisses me off that Nissan will treat their GT-R like it's a loving Picasso painting, and yet I can just go sit in Mercedes and Jaguars that are worth more. The only car I really wanted to see was the new Corvette, and I can just walk over to GSL and do that any day of the week anyway (for free!).
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Mar 16, 2014 09:03
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It's pretty early days, but the head of R&D at Volvo: http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2014/medium-passenger/volvo/s60/volvo-considers-road-legal-v8-supercar-42181 quote:
So hopefully if their Chinese owners are dumb enough to pour more money down the rathole we will see a V8 RWd Volvo sedan and wagon.
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Mar 16, 2014 11:31
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Powershift posted:The 2015 f-150 was roped off And ugly as poo poo. I wasn't sure what to think with just pictures, but in the flesh it didn't look good at all.
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Mar 16, 2014 11:58
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Throatwarbler posted:It's pretty early days, but the head of R&D at Volvo: Dear Volvo: please put the V8 into your Estate concept and release it with a 6 speed, tyia.
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Mar 16, 2014 17:34
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SouthLAnd posted:BMW chat; the E46 coupe is probably the last BMW I really loved. It has a very timeless look in my opinion. The E46 M3 coupe, with its additional ground effects and lip spoiler, to me is the most attractive car ever produced. Especially in this slate blue color it came in, I don't know the exact name of the paint.
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Mar 17, 2014 17:18
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Atlantic Blue...or wait was that Atlantis?
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Mar 17, 2014 18:29
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PT6A posted:It always pisses me off that Nissan will treat their GT-R like it's a loving Picasso painting, and yet I can just go sit in Mercedes and Jaguars that are worth more. The only car I really wanted to see was the new Corvette, and I can just walk over to GSL and do that any day of the week anyway (for free!). The GTR was open this year, first time I can remember that happening
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Mazda's 2.2 turbo diesel is still delayed, apparently to get the tune right. The Euro-spec makes 148 hp and 280 lb-ft. A Sport version makes 173 hp and 310 lb ft.  (For context, the new CLA45 AMG makes 331 from a blown 2.0 litre) Needless to say, I want one quite badly. a primate fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Mar 17, 2014 |
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Mar 17, 2014 19:09
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Throatwarbler posted:It's pretty early days, but the head of R&D at Volvo: I would sell both my kidneys to Chinese business men if I could have such a thing. Or pledge allegiance to Mao, whichever is the least painful option.
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I have a new Impala LT as a rental this week. It's quite nice, great interior, comfortable and quiet. The perfect car to eat up miles in central Illinois. I definitely like it better than the Taurus and the Charger. Not sure I like it better than the 300. GM's multimedia/connected car interface is so much better than MFT it's laughable.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:GM's multimedia/connected car interface is so much better than MFT it's laughable. Just to be clear you only get that system on Chevys and Buicks. The button-less CUE system in Cadillacs is hot on Ford's trail. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/cadillac-cue-entertainment-ix-ux,20143.html quote:CUE appears to still have hardware and software issues. The technology is driven by a 3-core ARM processor, two of which are reserved for voice recognition. The remaining core is not nearly as powerful enough as would be required by a user experience that would resemble the usage of an iPad. Pressing a button will result in immediate haptic, vibrating feedback, but the screen will not react without a 2- to 3-second delay. In its current version, CUE appears to be hopelessly underpowered by the underlying hardware. quote:The main screen of CUE consists of only eight items - Audio, Phone, Navigation, Settings, Pandora, Weather, Climate and OnStar. While this seems to be sufficiently simple, moving your audio output, for example, from a USB stick to a satellite radio station requires you to move to the home screen via a touch-sensitive button on the side of the dash, pressing the audio icon, then the satellite radio icon, then the browse icon, and then slide a scroll bar to the station you are looking. Moving from one radio station to another requires the driver passenger to always first move the hand toward the screen so that the proximity sensor can initiate the display of respective icons (which also happens with a delay). quote:CUE would work much better if Cadillac was to bring back some key physical push buttons and knobs for the climate and audio controls. The reaction time of the touch interface is, at this time, unacceptable and is reminiscent of the first generation of $99 Android tablets that were equally underpowered. Wait 5 more years and maybe they will bring back physical buttons and knobs.
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Mar 18, 2014 04:36
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Just put a drat docking station for a tablet in the dash and call it a day.
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Mar 18, 2014 04:39
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That's what Apple seems to be doing with the Carplay stuff. "gently caress it you morons, now you're just going to mirror the iPhone on the dashboard." Must be frustrating as hell to be under 60 years old and on the teams pumping out this garbage.
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I'm sitting here wasting another hour of my life, the latest of many, trying to diagnose another bizzaro problem with my (inherited from my mother)iPhone and I dread the day that awful company find a new orfice of mine to penetrate. But sorry about that derail, Here's some car news. Every single 991 GT3 sold so far is going back for a new engine. http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2014/03/2014-porsche-911-gt3-engine-replacement-confirmed.html Keep F5in summit racing for a new batch of reman GT3 engines!
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Xguard86 posted:Just put a drat docking station for a tablet in the dash and call it a day. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.honda.hondalink Honda seems to have solved this problem. On paper at least, I've not had the chance to try it out though.
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