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quote:Six Egyptian soldiers have been killed by gunmen at a checkpoint in the northern Cairo suburb of Shubra al-Khayma, state media reports. This is the largest attack I can remember since the summer, not counting violence in the Sinai. Quite a big deal for Cairo. 5 car bombings in Iraq today, killing 21. Pretty normal. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/03/baghdad-bombing-attacks-kill-dozens-201431518432019727.html
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Huttan posted:The "peace movement" didn't gain traction until the IRA firebombed what we in the US would call a "sweet 16 party" - incinerating over 60 teenage girls because the father was at the top of the RUC (the Royal Ulster Constabulary was a paramilitary pro-Union group). Do you have a source for this bombing? First I've heard of it.
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Phlegmish posted:Do you have a source for this bombing? First I've heard of it. I think he's describing the La Mon Bombing, some of the details aren't the same but there was a lot of confusion in the aftermath with a lot of the victims being misidentified as teenagers due to the severity of their burns. Photos were circulated after the bombing and I've seen copies of the poster he's describing -  Here's a version of it covered in watermarks for some reason
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Mar 16, 2014 01:20
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I figured that that was what he was referring to and it's obviously horrible, but it doesn't really fit the description of '60 teenaged girls incinerated during a party because their father was the head of the RUC'. edit: and the RUC wasn't a paramilitary group, it was the official Northern Ireland police, even if it did regularly collude with loyalist paramilitaries. I'm not calling Huttan out or anything, that part of his post just struck me as odd. Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Mar 16, 2014 |
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Mar 16, 2014 01:29
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Phlegmish posted:I figured that that was what he was referring to and it's obviously horrible, but it doesn't really fit the description of '60 teenaged girls incinerated during a party because their father was the head of the RUC'. The British often added/omitted/altered details to media reports in order to suit their own anti-IRA propaganda campaigns so you tend to get very scattered and apocryphal information about a lot of events. Huttan's description is odd because it reads along very similar themes that you would expect from Pro-British sources, but it also labels the RUC as paramilitaries, which is a description, however appropriate one deems it, that would never be used in the British media/govt. fakedit: pre-emptive declaration that this certainly went both ways. IRA propaganda, however, tended to focus a bit less of disinfo campaigns and more on deifying martyrs (e.g. Bobby Sands) and reinforcing themes of heroic/righteous struggle. You can see these differences if you look at the different narratives of the Provo/Loyalist building murals that are common throughout Northern Ireland and the border areas.
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Mar 16, 2014 02:45
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Huttan's description is odd because it reads along very similar themes that you would expect from Pro-British sources, but it also labels the RUC as paramilitaries, which is a description, however appropriate one deems it, that would never be used in the British media/govt. I would assume that probably has to do with Huttan growing up amidst the Troubles and therefore his memory of the event would have been constructed/forgotten/remembered piecemeal as opposed to from a single source. Details are often shaky for memories like that, particularly for an old memory from childhood.
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Mar 16, 2014 02:51
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New Division posted:Erdogan just called the 15 year kid that just died and caused more riots a terrorist. Haha, holy poo poo. That's surely going to help.
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Mar 16, 2014 11:49
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In Syria, Yabroud has fallen to the Syrian Army and Hezbolah. http://m.aljazeera.com/se/20143167587954232
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Mar 16, 2014 12:34
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Volcano rockets feature in their victory propaganda too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azc-DQU0PDI
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Mar 16, 2014 16:03
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Aaron Zelin posted some Jabhat al-Nursa membership cards on his twitter. What's funny is that some of the art is stolen from the video game Mount & Blade 
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Mar 16, 2014 18:30
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Considering how ISIS/JN vids seem to be a rip-off of Call of Duty loading screens and now this, it seems like that there's a considerable overlap between jihadists and gamers. Maybe Jack Thompson was right after all.... 
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Mar 16, 2014 20:13
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Kaal posted:I would assume that probably has to do with Huttan growing up amidst the Troubles and therefore his memory of the event would have been constructed/forgotten/remembered piecemeal as opposed to from a single source. Details are often shaky for memories like that, particularly for an old memory from childhood. I think you're right. I remember things like Pope John Paul 1 (the one who lasted about a month before he That's the poster. I'll try to remember it correctly if there is a next time I bring it up. I'm sorry for the IRA derail.
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Mar 17, 2014 03:42
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There was a new a years back of a village under Al-Nusra control that was a hub of video games and prostitution. The mount n blade post cards don't shock me.
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Mar 17, 2014 03:43
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Navy SEALS retake North Korean-flagged Morning Glory at the behest of the Libyan and Cypriot governments, currently sailing it back to Libya.
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Mar 17, 2014 07:47
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MothraAttack posted:Navy SEALS retake North Korean-flagged Morning Glory at the behest of the Libyan and Cypriot governments, currently sailing it back to Libya. Da gently caress? 
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Mar 17, 2014 07:50
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To be fair NK revoked its license last week and it had gone rogue.
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Mar 17, 2014 07:54
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MothraAttack posted:To be fair NK revoked its license last week and it had gone rogue. Where are you getting all of this? I can't find any of it.
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Mar 17, 2014 07:56
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ABC News Twitter, heh.
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Mar 17, 2014 08:01
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Ah, so she weren't no merchant vessel after all. A fair mark, she was.
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Mar 17, 2014 08:09
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Volkerball posted:Ah, so she weren't no merchant vessel after all. A fair mark, she was. Aharr, matey. Libya's a weird place. It seems to me to be so seriously disunified that a 'serious' Syria style ethic-religious civil war seems out of the question, if only because no one can pick an enemy that they hate more than the others, and there's just no threat big enough to get the little groups to lump together and go on a good cleansing.
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Mar 17, 2014 08:23
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Seemingly right on cue, a car bomb exploded in Benghazi killing at least 5 soldiers today. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/03/libya-army-camp-blast-2014317111142983333.html It's nice that the Libyan government can lean on the U.S. to try and prop itself up, but this is going to inflame tensions in Eastern Libya more than ever.
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Mar 17, 2014 17:39
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Miruvor posted:Seemingly right on cue, a car bomb exploded in Benghazi killing at least 5 soldiers today. It's really sad that I saw the word "Benghazi" and just rolled my eyes and ignored the rest of that post, because it seems like poo poo is going down there and I have no idea what.
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Mar 17, 2014 21:07
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I remember when I had never heard of Benghazi.
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Mar 17, 2014 21:15
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If anyone cares, here's a neat paper about the situation in Turkey by the Bipartisan Policy Center, penned by two former US ambassadors to Turkey: http://bipartisanpolicy.org/sites/default/files/Turkey%20Elections%20Report.pdf Anyway, here's the money quote: quote:For the United States, Turkey’s current trajectory is highly worrisome. The more authoritarian and Islamist Turkey becomes under Erdoğan, the less reliable and stable an ally it will be for the United States. Indeed, the longer Erdoğan remains in power, the greater the risk becomes of the already fragile Turkish-American alliance — based, as it is, in the shared desire and respect for a “way of life... based upon the will of the majority,and... distinguished by free institutions, representative government, free elections, guarantees of individual liberty, freedom of speech and religion, and freedom from political oppression” — being fully eroded. In other words, the U.S. relationship with Turkey could begin to more closely resemble that with Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, large Middle Eastern powers influenced by political Islam with which the United States can do business whenever interests align, but with which it lacks the shared values that underpins a true alliance.
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Mar 18, 2014 00:14
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MothraAttack posted:To be fair NK revoked its license last week and it had gone rogue. What does going rogue actually mean here? North Korea sent the tanker there? And now the crew is... doing their own thing?
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Mar 18, 2014 02:33
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Count Roland posted:What does going rogue actually mean here? North Korea sent the tanker there? And now the crew is... doing their own thing? Navy Seals board rogue Libya oil tanker Morning Glory quote:The US has taken control of a tanker full of oil loaded from a rebel-held port in Libya, the Pentagon says. It was done with at the request of both the Cyprus and Libya governments.
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Mar 18, 2014 02:38
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There's a quiet, but apparently quite strong concern about the possibilities of terrorists deciding to use a fully loaded oil tanker as a weapon.
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Mar 18, 2014 02:44
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The-Mole posted:There's a quiet, but apparently quite strong concern about the possibilities of terrorists deciding to use a fully loaded oil tanker as a weapon. It does have the potential for one hell of an expensive clean up if you dumped the oil overboard in the right fishery or coastline.
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Mar 18, 2014 03:09
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I've always been curious about what would happen if a full oil tanker was scuttled in the Suez.
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Mar 18, 2014 03:10
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The-Mole posted:There's a quiet, but apparently quite strong concern about the possibilities of terrorists deciding to use a fully loaded oil tanker as a weapon. Splinter Cell Blacklist did it first.
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Mar 18, 2014 03:42
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Deteriorata posted:Navy Seals board rogue Libya oil tanker Morning Glory I'm just wondering who is on board the tanker, and who organized and paid for the idea in the first place.
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Mar 18, 2014 05:19
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The ship was apparently registered to an Egyptian firm? I doubt it's terrorism-related, but the oil was sold 'illegally', and Libya desperately needs to look like it's got its act together.
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Mar 18, 2014 05:31
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trfEc5VN-9I This just got posted in GBS don't know if its new or real or not.
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Yeah that was discussed some days ago. Turns out they're not US citizens but did live in LA for a time.
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Mar 18, 2014 05:39
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MothraAttack posted:Yeah that was discussed some days ago. Turns out they're not US citizens but did live in LA for a time. IIRC, their Armenians or descended from another Caucasus country and not Latinos. They're supposedly gangbangers, however, so I guess that's partially correct. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Mar 18, 2014 |
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visceril posted:It's really sad that I saw the word "Benghazi" and just rolled my eyes and ignored the rest of that post, because it seems like poo poo is going down there and I have no idea what. I can rehash an effort post on the East/West divide in Libya if you want.
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the JJ posted:I can rehash an effort post on the East/West divide in Libya if you want. That would be nice, I think, to get an update on the situation. I follow this thread but honestly don't know what's been happening there since Qaddafi's corpse got molested.
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Miltank posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trfEc5VN-9I yeah that was debunked and MEMRI is a neocon zionist propaganda outlet. Congrats on being fooled by a propaganda front for Israel. BabyChoom fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Mar 18, 2014 |
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Mar 18, 2014 15:13
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Miltank posted:This just got posted in GBS Oh, well, there's your problem.
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Chokes McGee posted:Oh, well, there's your problem. It was posted here too, possibly in advance at that. So they were just random dudes talking poo poo, or what? I hadn't seen the memri branded copy before.
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