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Error 404 posted:And at least one more vampire court. Butcher has actually stated that there are 7 major courts pre-Changes, but that Jade and the other 3 courts have nowhere near the numbers and clout as Red, White, and Black. I'd find the quote if I weren't posting from a smartphone.
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treeboy posted:pretty sure that's about right, though I think Harry physically appears more late 20's to mid 30's Ehhh whenever harry describes himself it doesn't sound plesant
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Mar 14, 2014 18:50
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Exmond posted:Ehhh whenever harry describes himself it doesn't sound plesant It's because he has no self-esteem. He sees himself in the worst possible light more often than not. The few times we've seen him from someone else's point of view, he's this terrifying force of destruction.
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Mar 14, 2014 18:52
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ConfusedUs posted:The few times we've seen him from someone else's point of view, he's this terrifying force of destruction. And shy, quiet, and spergy. Error 404 fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Mar 14, 2014 |
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Mar 14, 2014 18:55
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I honestly wasn't sure what to think of Harry until I read the POVs of other characters. I always felt like he was more of a geek than anything else, I hadn't realized what he would really seem like to other people because of all of his quirks. I wonder how other wizards view him, because I imagine a lot of the seemingly odd things he does are pretty normal for most wizards.
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Mar 14, 2014 19:11
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why oh WHY posted:I wonder how other wizards view him "That young upstart who can't even speak proper Latin." - The Merlin "THE BUILDING IS ON FIRE AND IT WAS ABSOLUTELY HIS FAULT." - Donald Morgan
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Mar 14, 2014 20:22
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Harry's pretty goony. Shame he can't use a computer. 
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Mar 14, 2014 20:30
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Tunicate posted:He's the big summer wyldfae, so he's the Summer King. Not part of the court, but considered Summer enough to show up at family reunions without anyone fighting over who's got control over domains and stuff. What book are you pulling that from, because I totally missed it. I'm in the middle of Small Favor in this reread and so far he hasn't been described as Summer at all. Also, wasn't he also present when Harry met Santa/Odin after getting knighted?
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docbeard posted:"That young upstart who can't even speak proper Latin." - The Merlin God I miss Morgan. Not old Morgan from Storm Front but from Turn Coat where he was actually cool. I just looked at the cover for Skin Game and holy poo poo Harry has his revolver again.
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Mar 14, 2014 21:53
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ConfusedUs posted:It's because he has no self-esteem. He sees himself in the worst possible light more often than not. The bit that brought that home for me was "How many things do you think stayed away from Chicago because that's the home of the Mad Wizard Dresden?" and he never realised that was how he was seen. I mean, whenever something bad comes to Chicago, he blows it the gently caress up, rips it to pieces, starts a war with its friends, and will not stay beaten no matter how much he's actually been beaten until the threat is gone. He insults things that could crush him like and ant and doesn't care. He knocks buildings down and walks away laughing. Then he goes back to his basement apartment and worries about how he's not very good at stuff, doesn't know very much about anything, and how his apprentice might be insane.
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AlphaDog posted:The bit that brought that home for me was "How many things do you think stayed away from Chicago because that's the home of the Mad Wizard Dresden?" and he never realised that was how he was seen. I honestly think that whole little bit might be one of my favorite worldbuilding parts of the whole series. A simple, in universe reminder that Harry Dresden is not only an unreliable narrator, but to the whole rest of the universe he's the equivalent of hitting on 20. You lose. Doesn't matter what you draw, you will lose, he will call you a moron, and then he will shuffle off and eat a whopper.
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AlphaDog posted:The bit that brought that home for me was "How many things do you think stayed away from Chicago because that's the home of the Mad Wizard Dresden?" and he never realised that was how he was seen. Didn't you hear? His apprentice is the loving Rag Lady! Do Not, I repeat Do...Not...gently caress with Chicago. Like yeah, when you lay it all out, Mad Wizard doesn't even cover a fraction of it. Now imagine how much good could be done if somebody that hardcore was put in charge of the Wardens of the Council? Like seriously, Apathy is Death should be the 8th Law of Magic or something. Even wizards with less power but with a willingness to be flexible have been shown to steamroll when necessary (Elaine, Ramirez, Molly) Hell Molly held off Corpsetaker, solo. Error 404 fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Mar 14, 2014 |
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AlphaDog posted:The bit that brought that home for me was "How many things do you think stayed away from Chicago because that's the home of the Mad Wizard Dresden?" and he never realised that was how he was seen. Yeah, it's the overkill that really cements his reputation. If he just put things down he'd be considered dangerous, but he never stops at simply winning. I hope that Harry eventually realizes what a badass he is and goes nuclear on purpose...just so we can deal with the fallout when he realizes exactly what that entails.
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ConfusedUs posted:I hope that Harry eventually realizes what a badass he is and goes nuclear on purpose...just so we can deal with the fallout when he realizes exactly what that entails. Yeah, maybe he could finish the war with the Red Court or something.
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Log082 posted:Yeah, maybe he could finish the war with the Red Court or something. Yeah, we kind of already got the nuclear option and subsequent fallout, and it was awesome. There's still an absolute shitload of things to be dealt with that came up because of Changes. ConfusedUs posted:Yeah, it's the overkill that really cements his reputation. This I totally agree with. Error 404 posted:Like yeah, when you lay it all out, Mad Wizard doesn't even cover a fraction of it. Now imagine how much good could be done if somebody that hardcore was put in charge of the Wardens of the Council? How much good? I guess if you define "good" as the the killing of everything you consider evil, then yeah, he'd do lots of that. But it's because of that that I think he'd make a terrible large-scale leader. Elector_Nerdlingen fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Mar 14, 2014 |
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I'm really looking forward to seeing Harry go to town on the Fomor in Chicago.
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Is it bad that Nicodemus is one of my favorite characters? I mean, I'd never root for the guy, but goddamn do I love every moment that evil sonofamother is on-page.  treeboy posted:pretty sure that's about right, though I think Harry physically appears more late 20's to mid 30's That's actually an interesting question on the wizardly healing factor - at least circa Small Favor, Harry still has a bullet scar from the hexenwulves in Fool Moon. Screen Door Slams fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Mar 15, 2014 |
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AlphaDog posted:
Well yeah, he'd be an awful Leader leader. I guess my thinking is more like a teacher or drill instructor, turn the wardens into detective/soldiers with magic who can think on their feet, not combat wizards who try to solve crimes. Basically I see him doing well tactically (see leading the Wild loving Hunt against Sharkface and the Outsiders in Cold Days) but leaving the broader strategic stuff to others like McCoy, or Luccio. Tl:dr, I think turning the Wardens into mini-dresdens would be a net gain for humanity across the world.
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Error 404 posted:Well yeah, he'd be an awful Leader leader. I guess my thinking is more like a teacher or drill instructor, turn the wardens into detective/soldiers with magic who can think on their feet, not combat wizards who try to solve crimes. Basically I see him doing well tactically (see leading the Wild loving Hunt against Sharkface and the Outsiders in Cold Days) but leaving the broader strategic stuff to others like McCoy, or Luccio. But I thought he relinquished control of the wild hunt so it could fight the outsiders properly, while he was leading it wasn't that effective
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Ika posted:But I thought he relinquished control of the wild hunt so it could fight the outsiders properly, while he was leading it wasn't that effective It's entirely possible I'm misremembering how that scene went down.  but I could also make the same point by referencing his leading of the wolves and little folk in Summer Knight, The Blampires in Death Masks, Arctis Tor in Proven Guilty, the plan on Demonreach in Small Favor, the fight on Demonreach in Turn Coat, The various team based actions in Changes (the fact that he needed further help or poo poo went bad in those scenes doesn't mean he wasn't also an otherwise effective leader)
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There's an official Dresden Files LARP ruleset in the works by the same guys who did the Dresden Files RPG. http://www.evilhat.com/home/dresden-lives/ Motherfuckers. Turning unsuspecting civilians into LARPers against their will
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ConfusedUs posted:
You mean like the entire point of Ghost Story?
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Screen Door Slams posted:Is it bad that Nicodemus is one of my favorite characters? I mean, I'd never root for the guy, but goddamn do I love every moment that evil sonofamother is on-page. nah, there is no problem with loving a well written but evil character. Like Glotka or Bayez from the First Law series
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Or Crowley from Supernatural.
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Vicissitude posted:Or Crowley from Supernatural. He'd make a fun Nicodemus.
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ConfusedUs posted:Yeah, it's the overkill that really cements his reputation. If he just put things down he'd be considered dangerous, but he never stops at simply winning. It's that and a number of other things. I found this on the Butcher forums and think it's an excellent summary of just how scary Harry is to the rest of the Dresden-verse, in the form of what the Wardens file on him might read like. (Serious spoilers in link up through and including COLD DAYS!) http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?topic=19774.0 Nevhix fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Mar 17, 2014 |
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Hixalot posted:It's that and a number of other things. I found this on the Butcher forums and think it's an excellent summary of just how scary Harry is to the rest of the Dresden-verse, in the form of what the Wardens file on him might read like. (Serious spoilers in link up through and including COLD DAYS!) Oh nice! This used to be in the OP but I forgot to save the link. Glad to see it got updated.
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Boofchicken posted:Our of curiosity, where are we at with ages on everyone in the books as of now? I'm not 100% sure about the others, but I counted up the years on Murphy a while back and she's about 50 now (give or take a year). Aside from Michael who's retired from the action, the rest can mostly write off age stuff because of :magic:. I think Butcher's going to have to do something with Murph to keep her relevant (or kill her off). She might be a bad-rear end, but it's going to be odd in the Apocalypse trilogy to read about Murphy in her 60s fighting outsiders/immortals/gibbering horrors when most people her age are collecting pensions.
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DrFrankenStrudel posted:I'm not 100% sure about the others, but I counted up the years on Murphy a while back and she's about 50 now (give or take a year). Aside from Michael who's retired from the action, the rest can mostly write off age stuff because of :magic:. I think Butcher's going to have to do something with Murph to keep her relevant (or kill her off). She might be a bad-rear end, but it's going to be odd in the Apocalypse trilogy to read about Murphy in her 60s fighting outsiders/immortals/gibbering horrors when most people her age are collecting pensions. It's been brought up several times in this thread that something needs to be done about Murphy - she doesn't really fit in with the series anymore. She needs some kind of character development to make her relevant, which at this point seems most likely to be a crisis of faith culminating in her taking up one of the swords. Which would also make her age pretty much irrelevant, if Shiro is anything to go by.
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DrFrankenStrudel posted:I'm not 100% sure about the others, but I counted up the years on Murphy a while back and she's about 50 now (give or take a year). Aside from Michael who's retired from the action, the rest can mostly write off age stuff because of :magic:. I think Butcher's going to have to do something with Murph to keep her relevant (or kill her off). She might be a bad-rear end, but it's going to be odd in the Apocalypse trilogy to read about Murphy in her 60s fighting outsiders/immortals/gibbering horrors when most people her age are collecting pensions. I think you are off by over half a decade there. In Summer Knight, her ex husband dies of cancer. He's 43. Dresden estimates that he was ten years older than her. That puts Murphy at 33 in Summer Knight, 6 years older than Harry. Harry will be 37-38 in Skin Job. That puts Murphy at around 43-44. We're at book 14/25. So she'll be 55ish in the final book. Sure that's no spring chicken, but with her lifestyle she'll still be able to kick rear end far more than the average mortal. I'm pretty sure she'll end up with a sword, which will help immensely, but she doesn't need some sort of aging-suspension to stay relevant.
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Masonity posted:I think you are off by over half a decade there.
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I kind of hope she is that old and the only thing that happens is she gets with Dresden. Having an action fantasy series primary romantic interest be 60 would be awesome. That mocked up warden's file on Dresden was great.
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Wittgen posted:I kind of hope she is that old and the only thing that happens is she gets with Dresden. Having an action fantasy series primary romantic interest be 60 would be awesome. A friend of mine has a fan shipping theory that one of the Apocalyptic trilogy Hell's Bells is referring to wedding bells.
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ZorajitZorajit posted:A friend of mine has a fan shipping theory that one of the Apocalyptic trilogy Hell's Bells is referring to wedding bells. Harry getting married to Lash confirmed.
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Scintilla posted:Harry getting married to Lash confirmed. . . . now I really want to see what sort of Gordian Knot would be required for that to be the most Dresden way to solve it.
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Xtanstic posted:Oh nice! This used to be in the OP but I forgot to save the link. Glad to see it got updated. Putting this back in the OP.
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ConfusedUs posted:Putting this back in the OP. What happened to the lil white doggy ? =(
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:What happened to the lil white doggy ? =( It met Mister and was never seen again.
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I got to this part of the file: He has had significant exposure to various members of the White Court and is believed to have been in a sexual relationship with the son of Lord Raith (Thomas Raith). And laughed out loud. Its perfect.
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Masonity posted:I think you are off by over half a decade there.
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