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Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

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Trifoil posted:

How about children? Most people probably consider them socially inferior, but I don´t think that most people necessarily hates them.

but we also acknowledge that children grow up and change and become social equals, whereas Females and Lesser Races never do. [do I really need to specify that I don't actually hold the views implicit in the phrase "Females and Lesser Races"? ... yeah, I probably do.]

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VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

I'm comfortable with describing someone who opposes the education of children, considers them only good as a source of unpaid labor, and who approves of sexual violence or murder to terrorize them into submission as a hater of children, yes.

Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

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Oh my god. Oh my loving god. I've found what is possibly the most magnificently stupid poo poo on Conservapedia.

You remember the Conservapedia Bible Project, where they tried retranslating the Bible?

Now they've got the Conservative Dictionary Project, necessary in order to combat Liberal Bias in Popular Dictionaries.

And they've got twenty-six pages, each of which is full of "true conservative meanings" and "false liberal redefinitions".

the Conservative Dictionary Project entry on "Compassion" posted:


True conservative meaning - Freeing people by making society more capitalist.
False liberal redefinition - Caring about those less fortunate than oneself and using the state to promote some basic protections against extreme poverty and destitution.

the Conservative Dictionary Project entry on "working class" posted:

True conservative meaning - communist concept intended to turn workers against management.
False liberal redefinition - The group of people who work.

Mind Loving Owl
Sep 5, 2012

The regeneration is failing! Hooooo...
I love how they specify that caring about people is liberal as well. These people would eat babies if you paid them.

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene
I'm pretty sure baby eating is something they do for free.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
It's taking "Feed a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime." to its extreme.

While it's true that teaching someone a valuable skill probably will do more for them in the long run, conservatives think the "short term" gain is just doing harm.

Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

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Conservative Dictionary Project's entry on 'logic' posted:


True conservative meaning - using evidence and basic reasoning to come up with conservative insights into politics, law, and other aspects of life

False liberal redefinition - unreasonably excluding any spiritual or non-scientific reasoning to justify liberal philosophies.

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun
It's true, that's on my logic syllabus. DAMMIT CONSERVAPEDIA, EXPOSED AGAIN.

SixPabst
Oct 24, 2006


Ok that has to be a troll. It has to be.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

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QuarkJets posted:

If you can think of one or two Greek and Arab figures that satisfy your criteria, then my point is already proven. There are more than one or two, but disproving the idea that science only existed from the Age of Enlightenment onward, specifically with Newton for some reason, only needed one counterexample.

Not really. I don't know if this is because you're coming into the argument late or because you've missed this point but the argument isn't over whether science can possibly exist outside a Christian framework, the argument is about whether Christian beliefs and theology in the early modern era were a necessary prerequisite for the scientific revolution to occur. Pointing out the existence of a limited number of pseudo-scientists who share a family resemblance to the methods eventually pioneered during the Newtonian revolution hardly qualifies as a definitive answer to this question.

quote:

(To start, the field of Aristotelian physics and its countless practitioners/contributors nicely satisfies your criteria, being a set of laws based on empirical observations that was developed millenia ago. If you want to look at non-European cultures specifically, you could go look at China's Scientific Revolution, lasting from 600-900AD)

Aristotelian physics is closer to philosophy than it is to what we would recognize as modern science. His explanation of gravity, for instance, was that all substances have a natural tendency to move toward their "natural" place in the universe. While he could point to natural phenomena that might be taken as broadly supporting this view, i.e. stones fall and air bubbles move up through water, its hardly an example of what we'd think of as modern science.

It seems like you're reducing science to any kind of attempt to explain natural phenomena that doesn't immediately invoke the supernatural, which is not really a definition I'm comfortable with. Science is a specific set of procedures, not just a general commitment to investigate the world. And if we want to understand how those procedures developed we need to look at the actual time and place when they emerged. it feels like you're trying to water down the definition of science a great deal.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

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Also, in the spirit of contributing something to the thread other than a derail, this was pretty amazing:

quote:

George Orwell, whose real name was Eric Arthur Blair (June 25, 1903 - January 21, 1950), was a leading and open-minded English writer, essayist and journalist who became critical of his ideological allies on the left. He hated imperialism[1] and grew increasingly conservative, adopting and raising a child and becoming a member of the Church of England.[2] The tension between the conservative Orwell grew to become, and the democratic socialist he still allowed others to view him as, may account for some of his interesting word inventions like "doublethink". Because of his liberal past, Orwell's increasingly conservative writings were accepted and praised by the clueless liberal intelligentsia.

Unlike most writers, Orwell's greatest works came late in his life. He harshly criticized communism and totalitarianism in 1984, his finest novel, as well as in his shorter fictional work Animal Farm, an allegorical reference to the Russian Revolution. These works were far more influential than his first novel, based on his experiences on the Imperial Police Force in Burma, Burmese Dаys, which explored the evils of coloniаlism. His highly influential essay, "Politics in the English Language," attacked the liberal obfuscation which was already present in his day, and championed clear speech.

The inspiration for Orwell's growth into conservatism remains unexplored. Likely reasons include his open-mindedness, his adopting and then raising (due to his wife's untimely death) a child, and his disillusionment with leftists while fighting on their side in Spain.

Sure he was a socialist, but he wasn't really/ a socialist, he was actually a conservative who was fooling those stupid liberals.

Pong Daddy
Oct 12, 2012

Helsing posted:

Also, in the spirit of contributing something to the thread other than a derail, this was pretty amazing:


Sure he was a socialist, but he wasn't really/ a socialist, he was actually a conservative who was fooling those stupid liberals.

If you're a Socialist/Communist/Liberal/Slightly Left Wing, you agree with everything Stalin did. George Orwell didn't like Stalin, ergo he was a conservative.

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene
Thanks Helsing.

Content:

quote:

Science consists of three aspects: first, it provides systematic descriptions of everything in the world and all of human experience, generally considered as scientific knowledge. Second, there are the men (and in more recent times, women) of science who have amassed these descriptions and communicate them to everyone else. Third, there are the methods by which they carry out this work (see scientific method). Science can be divided into two areas: natural science, dealing with the physical, natural world,[1] and social science, dealing with society and human nature.
People who study science are called scientists. Most of the early scientists who started many of the scientific fields, and some of history's greatest thinkers, such as Galileo Galilei and Isaac Newton, believed in God, or some other higher power, and many were creationists, although the ideas of evolutionism or Darwinism were not yet popular. In addition, Christianity played a pivotal role in the development of modern science (see Christianity and Science). With further scientific advancement, the scientific approach has become increasingly atheistic,[2] rejecting the supernatural. Scientific fields of study observing a clear atheistic bent include evolution, global warming and much of cosmology and geology, which are based on a time frame which predates the Christian time of creation. There are hubs of real scientific research, however, in places like the Institute for Creation Research and the Heartland Institute.
Science differs from other methodologies of classifying knowledge in that a scientific theory is a description of the world which in principle is capable of being disproved; this is known as falsifiability. It is this property which distinguishes science from other possible methods of discovering knowledge.
Epicurus is an important figure in the development of the scientific method. He insisted that nothing should be accepted except that which has been sufficiently tested through direct observation and logical deduction. Roger Bacon is hailed by many as the father of modern science. His focus on empirical approaches to science was influential. He wrote an encyclopedia, his Opus Majus.

SixPabst
Oct 24, 2006

This is the pure essence of Conservapedia in a nutshell:

quote:

Ash Wednesday is tomorrow. I was just wondering if you had any plans for the main page to reflect this occasion, as we begin our Lenten journey. GregG 21:39, 4 March 2014 (EST)

Yes, that would be a good idea. Any suggestions how best to mention this?--Andy Schlafly 21:54, 4 March 2014 (EST)

I don't have any ideas myself at this moment, sorry. GregG 22:05, 4 March 2014 (EST)

Tercio
Jan 30, 2003

A brief note that it's Ash Wednesday coupled with a few puff sentences about what it means for Christian adherents should be the easiest thing in the world to write. Oh wait, nope, gonna go write five pages on why the word "Jello" is liberal.

Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

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More of the Conservative Dictionary Project posted:


Christianity
True conservative meaning
- The true religion.
False liberal redefinition - One religion among others.


Conservapedia
True conservative meaning
- The Trustworthy Encyclopedia.
False liberal redefinition - an American conservative Christian-biased encyclopedia.

What exactly are they arguing is false about the liberal definition of "Conservapedia" ?

more of the same posted:

cyber-terrorism
True conservative meaning
- Attacking a website with an ideology you disprove of. Frequently used by liberals.
False liberal redefinition - Harmless fun.

person
True conservative meaning
- A human created by God at the time of conception.
False liberal redefinition <left blank>

MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless
Even easier "And so it begins The Great Fast, is this why Penn Jillette can't get Indian ladies with luscious hair? See also Atheists and Obesity".

quiggy
Aug 7, 2010

[in Russian] Oof.


quote:

welfare
True conservative meaning - Hard working Americans forced to give their money to leeches who would rather have children out of wedlock than work.
False liberal redefinition - A social "safety net."

:stare:

quote:

woman
True conservative meaning - Man's companion, created to be a help meet for man.
False liberal redefinition - The equal to man. Sometimes spelled "womyn" by feminists.

:catstare:

quote:

feminism
True conservative meaning - Anti-abortion philosophy espoused by suffragettes who sought the right to vote.
False liberal redefinition - The idea that women should be equal to men in all things.

:negative:

Guilty Spork
Feb 26, 2011

Thunder rolled. It rolled a six.

quote:

Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS)
True conservative meaning - A frequent disease among paranoid liberals which leads them to hate everything George W. Bush did and blame all current problems on him.
False liberal redefinition - Something whose existence they will deny, instead making nonsensical accusations of a mythical "Obama derangement syndrome"
Satire is dead.

quote:

Bias
True conservative meaning - selection or distortion of facts to support a liberal position.
False liberal redefinition - not immediately accepting the liberal position as true.

quote:

Christian
True conservative meaning - A secularized term preferred by atheists to describe the Followers of Christ
False liberal redefinition - One who believes in Christianity
What.

quote:

hate crime
Date: 2007
True conservative meaning - An attempt to punish people for their belief in biblical law.
False liberal redefinition - Laws intended to protect minorities and homosexuals from violence.
Not that I expected Conservapedia to understand the difference between "hate speech" and "hate crime."

quote:

Machismo
True conservative meaning - Being able to stand by your actions and words, not being afraid to debate against people with different ideas.
False liberal redefinition - Disrespect or violence against women.
Proof that User:Conservative got involved.

quote:

Obamacare
True conservative meaning - An illegal government take over of the healthcare system. Leading to death panels and rationing of healthcare.
False liberal redefinition - A legal and preferable healthcare system advocated by President Barack Hussein Obama

quote:

Openmindedness
True conservative meaning - willingness to consider the possibility that conservative viewpoints may be true despite the indoctrination towards liberal beliefs in public schools and the media
False liberal meaning - acceptance of sinful, immoral, and dangerous lifestyles

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
The administration that set the tone of the 21st century - 70% good 30% bad.

Mr.Unique-Name
Jul 5, 2002


I absolutely refuse to believe those are not trolls. I don't think even Conservapedia would flat out say "women are not equal to men" that bluntly.

Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

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Mr.Unique-Name posted:

I absolutely refuse to believe those are not trolls. I don't think even Conservapedia would flat out say "women are not equal to men" that bluntly.

... do you know how Phyllis Schlafly became famous in the first place?

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Mr.Unique-Name posted:

I absolutely refuse to believe those are not trolls. I don't think even Conservapedia would flat out say "women are not equal to men" that bluntly.

Someone's new to the Schlafly world.
He has in the past "that bluntly" said women weren't equal

MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

quote:

Another creationist classic has been created by Dr. Don Batten: Arguments evolutionists should not use.[2]
A fan of the article calls it a "Thrilling article!" in the article comments.
Oh Conservative. :allears:

Next on the news, our sources report that a youtube commentator described a christian apologetics video as "Neat".
Regarding the recent findings of the Bicep2 crew "mum" is the word.

grate deceiver
Jul 10, 2009

Just a funny av. Not a redtext or an own ok.

quote:

hate crime
Date: 2007
True conservative meaning - An attempt to punish people for their belief in biblical law.
False liberal redefinition - Laws intended to protect minorities and homosexuals from violence.

I love this one, they didn't even bother to define the term itself. What's a dictionary? Oh, just list things that we don't like about thing :downs:

And guess who was the real racists all along?

quote:

Racism
True conservative meaning - Disparaging people or a group of people because of the color of their skin, such as when liberals claim minorities cannot succeed without affirmative action
False liberal redefinition - The idea that society is the reason minorities cannot get ahead

But wait a second...

quote:

society
True conservative meaning - a community, nation, or broad grouping of people having common traditions, institutions, and collective activities and interests
False liberal redefinition - none, as liberals insist that there is no such thing
:psyduck:

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

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Pillbug

Mr.Unique-Name posted:

I absolutely refuse to believe those are not trolls. I don't think even Conservapedia would flat out say "women are not equal to men" that bluntly.

Anne Colter has seriously, honestly, and vehemently argued that women should never have been given the right to vote.

Let that sink in.

Bubbacub
Apr 17, 2001

SocketWrench posted:

Someone's new to the Schlafly world.
He has in the past "that bluntly" said women weren't equal

Didn't he write separate homeschooling exams for boys and girls?

cafel
Mar 29, 2010

This post is hurting the economy!

ToxicSlurpee posted:

Anne Colter has seriously, honestly, and vehemently argued that women should never have been given the right to vote.

Let that sink in.

I don't think that Ann Coulter is actually all that serious or honest. She'll say whatever outrageous thing she can to make a buck. The crowd she's riling up to buy her book certainly exists and shouldn't be dismissed, but Ann herself probably doesn't believe a lot of the things she's said over the years.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

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Pillbug

cafel posted:

I don't think that Ann Coulter is actually all that serious or honest. She'll say whatever outrageous thing she can to make a buck. The crowd she's riling up to buy her book certainly exists and shouldn't be dismissed, but Ann herself probably doesn't believe a lot of the things she's said over the years.

Oh I know but the problem is that there are enough people that agree with her that her show is popular.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

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"There is no such thing as society" -- Noted Liberal Margaret Thatcher

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Helsing posted:

"There is no such thing as society" -- Noted Liberal Margaret Thatcher

Yeah but duh, she's a woman and therefore cannot be expected to be as reasonable and logical as asdwhochrist I can't do this, even when talking about a person as loathsome as Maggie Thatcher.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Yeah but duh, she's a woman and therefore cannot be expected to be as reasonable and logical as asdwhochrist I can't do this, even when talking about a person as loathsome as Maggie Thatcher.

If you badmouth her, her ghost will come steal your milk.

cafel
Mar 29, 2010

This post is hurting the economy!

Helsing posted:

"There is no such thing as society" -- Noted Liberal Margaret Thatcher

As an American, I find it amazing that every time I believe that my opinion of Thatcher has hit the lowest point it can reach, I find out about something she did or said that manages to drive it lower. She somehow manages to make Reagan look palatable and I'm of the firm opinion that he was Satan incarnate.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

cafel posted:

As an American, I find it amazing that every time I believe that my opinion of Thatcher has hit the lowest point it can reach, I find out about something she did or said that manages to drive it lower. She somehow manages to make Reagan look palatable and I'm of the firm opinion that he was Satan incarnate.

Reagan was often so senile he didn't know what he was doing.

Thatcher had no such excuse.

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene
Thatcher was also a class-traitor in a way that Reagan was not.

Thinking of that famous burn, let's see what CP has to say about Zhou Enlai:

quote:

Zhou Enlai (1898–1976) was a leading communist in China who served as Premier of the People's Republic of China from 1949 until his death. He also served as China's foreign minister from 1949 to 1958. Zhou was portrayed as a selfless hero to the Chinese people. During the Cultural Revolution, Zhou used his influence to try to shield innocents from the increasingly violent Red Guard. He began to end China's isolation from the world when he invited an American table tennis team to tour China in 1971.

Not much. I was hoping for some Black Panther references. Or maybe Kissinger?

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun

cafel posted:

As an American, I find it amazing that every time I believe that my opinion of Thatcher has hit the lowest point it can reach, I find out about something she did or said that manages to drive it lower. She somehow manages to make Reagan look palatable and I'm of the firm opinion that he was Satan incarnate.
That's Kissinger.

Speaking of Kissinger, their article is pretty boring. It needs to be spiced up. Quick, somebody send Andy or Conservative the Get Your War On comics about Kissinger.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



quote:

xenophobia True conservative meaning - fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign
False liberal redefinition - conservatives' defense of their country's traditional culture against multiculturalism

Huh... that looks strangely familiar...

dictionary.com posted:

xen·o·pho·bi·a

noun
an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.

For gently caress's sake, you can't take a "false liberal definition", swap two words around and say it's a different definition. I expected a bit more effort than that.

But for as terrible as the dictionary project is, there is one term both sides can apparently agree on:

quote:

propaganda

Any idea, fact, rumor, or lie, or a wider body of same, which one circulates, publishes, or otherwise spreads by deliberate conscious effort in order to advance or hinder any given cause.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

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quote:

Political aspects of relativity

Some liberal politicians have extrapolated the theory of relativity to metaphorically justify their own political agendas. For example, Democratic President Barack Obama helped publish an article by liberal law professor Laurence Tribe to apply the relativistic concept of "curvature of space" to promote a broad legal right to abortion.[63] As of June 2008, over 170 law review articles have cited this liberal application of the theory of relativity to legal arguments.[64] Applications of the theory of relativity to change morality have also been common.[65] Moreover, there is an unmistakable effort to censor or ostracize criticism of relativity.[66]

Physicist Robert Dicke of Princeton University was a prominent critic[67] of general relativity, and Dicke's alternative "has enjoyed a renaissance in connection with theories of higher dimensional space-time."[68] Despite being one of the most accomplished physicists in the 20th century, Dicke was repeatedly passed over for a Nobel Prize, and in at least one case Dicke was insulted by the award being granted to others for contributions more properly credited to Dicke.

There has been little recognition by the Nobel Prize committee of either theory of relativity, and particularly scant recognition of the Theory of General Relativity. A dubious 1993 Nobel prize in physics was awarded Hulse and Taylor for supposedly finding the first evidence of gravitational waves in the orbital decay of the binary pulsar PSR1913+16 [69]. A close reading of the paper reveals that that is based heavily on assumptions in trying to retrofit the data to the theory.

Government Support for Relativistic research

The Theory of Relativity enjoys a disproportionate share of federal funding of physics research today.[70] In at least one case that research has been unsuccessful. The $365 million dollar LIGO project has failed to detect the gravity waves predicted by relativity.[71]

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

The article by Lawrence Tribe seems pretty dumb, but that's not an argument against relativity, it's an argument against misusing scientific concepts.

Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Mar 19, 2014

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Tercio
Jan 30, 2003

"Extrapolating theories to metaphorically justify personal political agendas? That's my racket!"

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