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Merope posted:Key giveaway for this weekend: Nice, thanks. I don't need the key but if someone ends up missing this I have an extra.
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Merope posted:Key giveaway for this weekend: Thanks for this! I'm curious to see how the game feels after the mega-patch.
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Stanley Pain posted:Keep on posting man. You are arguing against points I didn't make, you loving retard. RiffRoff posted:It's better for the health of the game if you don't have region locked servers. It certainly worked out horribly for wow. Look, people: I'm not the one you need to convince. I don't work at carbine. I don't personally want you to suffer endless loneliness in an MMORPG because you can't play with your pals from across the pond. I'm just pointing out reasons why this limitation makes sense, and why wrt to the number of people who actually want this it may not be something they want to bother doing. Evidently NC soft (the people who published a dozen of MMOs and who have statistics and market studies to back up their decisions instead of "everyone I know wants this") seem not to think it's worthwhile to bother with this either.
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Mar 18, 2014 21:29
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rap music posted:Nice, thanks. I don't need the key but if someone ends up missing this I have an extra. Facebook is blocked at work, mind throwing it my way? ghsweets8 @ gmail
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Mar 18, 2014 21:34
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Great, I have a key but NCSoft is just giving me a generic error when I try to make an account. "There was an error creating your account. Please re-enter your account information." Do I just keep trying to make an account, or could anyone tell me what is going wrong here? I previously had an NCSoft master account for City of Heroes, but I am apparently not allowed to use that. EDIT: Nevermind, brute forcing it seemed to work. Kaddion fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Mar 18, 2014 |
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Mar 18, 2014 21:39
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Zlodo posted:Evidently NC soft (the people who published a dozen of MMOs and who have statistics and market studies to back up their decisions instead of "everyone I know wants this") seem not to think it's worthwhile to bother with this either. NC Soft's history of customer satisfaction with MMOs is pretty garbage. They're the last authority I would ever want to appeal to.
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Mar 18, 2014 21:43
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Captain Oblivious posted:NC Soft's history of customer satisfaction with MMOs is pretty garbage. You can probably make this argument with almost every company that ever published a MMO. Except perhaps blizzard, and even then I'm sure I'm just opening another can of worms by saying that.
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Mar 18, 2014 21:49
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Zlodo posted:You are arguing against points I didn't make, you loving retard. It's because you obviously don't understand what you're even arguing about, pal. The only GOOD reason I can think of for region locking is to simply your company taxes, or having 3rd parties run your regional server offerings.
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Mar 18, 2014 22:10
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Zlodo posted:I'm just pointing out reasons why this limitation makes sense, and why wrt to the number of people who actually want this it may not be something they want to bother doing. Except it doesn't make sense, and you're not making sense. If you don't want to play on NA from EU or vice versa, because the ping is higher, then don't. Don't arbitrarily lock people out. If there is a legal or similar coporate issue like Stanley Pain said that's different, but it also is equally nonsensical because basically every other MMO can do it. Zlodo posted:Evidently NC soft (the people who published a dozen of MMOs and who have statistics and market studies to back up their decisions instead of "everyone I know wants this") seem not to think it's worthwhile to bother with this either. Oh my god are you actually implying that NCSoft both knows what they're doing AND cares about customers? Have I crossed some sort of supernatural barrier?
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Mar 18, 2014 22:13
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Stanley Pain posted:It's because you obviously don't understand what you're even arguing about, pal. Legal reasons, consolidation reasons, performance reasons (both ISP and server load distribution), pricing reasons. There's a lot of reasons. Most of them are terrible for the consumer, but the pros for the company outweigh the cons for the consumer in most of these cases in terms of what they gain and what they lose in player dissatisfaction. They're not good reasons to you, but they are good reasons, and don't just benefit NCSoft, they benefit Carbine as well. Asking you guys to empathize with NCSoft might uh, not be right, but they're not doing it because they hate you and want all your money, they just specifically want all your money. Edit: Just to specificy: The EU has different censorship and consumer laws, which may require different clients. Things like this pop up the most specifically with countires like Germany and China (China's censorship forbid skeletons or showing skeletons is so offensive that showing skeletons is nuts). China isn't the EU but this is probably the easiest example ever. The EU has weird stuff with payments that are different, or something too. You can pay with cell phones and junk. Not sure if that changes anything tho. Consolidation prevents the ship jumping issue, where if one region has more players, more people are more likely to jump to that area. This is a snowballing effect that happens until performance issues arise, and then it still happens because no one wants to go to the "dead/less populated" area. This is basically dead server phenomena experienced on a regional level. If Poland and Ireland had different servers, for example, no one would play on them because they'd all jump to like, Germany and Britain or whatever. Forcing players to play in a certain place by force lessens this issue, and it's an easier pill to swallow on a regional basis than a server choice one. Performance issues of more people playing in the US servers than there are US copies sold is a pain in the butt. It becomes harder to predict who is gonna play where and how to distribute your servers properly. This has the huge HUGE problem of people in Europe, if they have connection issues, having to deal with US support, who is far less equipped to deal with say, an Irish ISP than Comcast or something if there's a routing issue. Never mind the language barrier (Europe support might not be able to handle support issues on a US server, so if you speak a different language sort of, and play on the US server for some reason, oops, can't get support in your native language). Pricing reasons: NCSoft wants more money and this makes it easier for them to charge you more money because you live in the country of Terribleeconomyopia. So yeah, it stinks for the consumer, but there's tangible benefits for NCSoft that are probably invisible to most players. There's probably more things I'm forgetting, and some of these are minor bulletpoints to be fair. I'm pretty sure legal reasons are the big one, though? anime was right fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Mar 18, 2014 |
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Mar 18, 2014 23:02
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Mar 18, 2014 23:09
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Deceptive Thinker posted:I hope the new UI is as elegant as the new website The new UI is pretty snazzy: http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/wildstar_ui_20_preview_less_is_more.php/
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Mar 18, 2014 23:15
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Stanley Pain posted:It's because you obviously don't understand what you're even arguing about, pal. Tell me how when I said "I think that cross region gameplay is probably not really something that is actually in such a high demand", I misunderstood my own sentence and it actually meant "I think people don't want to play MMOs with their friends". For the vast majority of people, said friends will be roughly in the same timezone (and definitely not across the ocean) because they're not unemployed sockpoopers who regularly play MMOs at 9am.
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Mar 18, 2014 23:20
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The thing is that outside of shafting europe with higher prices and fearing they'd buy us accounts to play over there, there isn't a valid reason to segregate people. Its not really costing ANet anything other than missed sales from people that would buy and sub both versions just to play in both regions. The amount of people jumping from one cluster to the other would be so small that any effects on load will be imperceptible. There aren't any legal reasons to take into consideration when you already have the two farms working and all it takes is for people to access them.
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Zlodo posted:Tell me how when I said "I think that cross region gameplay is probably not really something that is actually in such a high demand", I misunderstood my own sentence and it actually meant "I think people don't want to play MMOs with their friends". I heard that saying anecdotal evidence as though it were real actually makes it real. Also what you're not grasping is that we aren't arguing that having servers in different locations is bad. What's bad is limiting consumer choice in which server they want to play on. Every argument for region locking has to do with making it better for the company, not for the consumer, because the consumer can actually choose to region lock themselves if they want to. Consumer choice is what's really at issue when you talk about region locking. Anecdotally(  ), I won't be getting wildstar if they region lock because one (1) of my friends wouldn't be able to play with me if they do, and that's enough to make me not support the game. I can play any of a hundred other games with that friend because the rest of the industry figured out that region locking isn't worth the loss in custom from having a larger player population.Also region locking is good for consumers because Arus' bulk can only sink one server instead of the entire world's server.
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Aside from the merits/demerits of region locking, does it even matter? I mean, I agree that it seems dumb from a user standpoint (let anyone play on any server, but coax them into their region's so they only end up elsewhere if they want to), but seems trivially easy to buy a key from another region (assuming they don't actually try to enforce region rigidity, does anyone?). The only people who really seem affected is if they wanted to play both with regional and non-regional friends so they'd have to buy two copies and pay two monthly fees to do so.Zlodo posted:For the vast majority of people, said friends will be roughly in the same timezone (and definitely not across the ocean) because they're not unemployed sockpoopers who regularly play MMOs at 9am. Surely no one anywhere in the world has ever held a job that wasn't 9-5 so it was actually more convenient to play games with people elsewhere in the world due to their schedule.
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Zlodo posted:For the vast majority of people, said friends will be roughly in the same timezone (and definitely not across the ocean) because they're not unemployed sockpoopers who regularly play MMOs at 9am. You're an idiot, tons of people have jobs that aren't 9-5, I used to work graveyards and had "dumb" playing hours like this. Not to mention there are MANY timezones in the world but I feel like I shouldn't even need to tell you this.
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I tend to play MMOs with a bro of mine who lives in Scotland (I'm in the US), so region locking is a huge pain in our rear end and might just motivate us to go play some Civ 5 or Age of Wonders 3 or Diablo 3 instead  Region locking sucks.
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Bauxite posted:Also what you're not grasping is that we aren't arguing that having servers in different locations is bad. What's bad is limiting consumer choice in which server they want to play on. Every argument for region locking has to do with making it better for the company, not for the consumer, because the consumer can actually choose to region lock themselves if they want to. Consumer choice is what's really at issue when you talk about region locking. But the assumption that it would have only positive and no negative consequences for consumers is wrong, because they can make a wrong choice. It's pretty bad to let customers do something that can screw their experience. As another example since that latency apparently doesn't exist anymore in 2014 (I'll have to tell this to the people who work on the online parts of our game because they'll be loving happy to hear about it), what about people who go to a US server to play with some friends, who then stop playing? Now they are stuck on a server where most people play at an inconvenient timezone for them and they're demanding the possibility to transfer their character to an EU server, but that service wasn't implemented yet because it is much more complicated than it sounds. Oops. You let customers make the wrong choice and you don't have any way to fix it for them. What about someone who would simply mistakenly choose a server from the wrong region, and not noticing because they started playing during week-ends or at the start of the game where it is packed with players all day? As a player it's easy to say that such a person would be an idiot so who care anyway, but when you're making a game you have to care about all of the idiots. Ultimately companies go with the solution that is less likely to cause issues. If their studies said "our game will crash and burn if we don't do this because a significant amount of people won't play our game if we don't", sure. But given that WoW doesn't do this there is probably no evidence to support that.
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CLAM DOWN posted:You're an idiot, tons of people have jobs that aren't 9-5, I used to work graveyards and had "dumb" playing hours like this. Not to mention there are MANY timezones in the world but I feel like I shouldn't even need to tell you this. I've worked graveyards for years and I'm only able to play MMOs in the morning and early afternoon west coast time due to my schedule. This is why games like EVE were awesome, I'd play with Euros during Euro prime, which was right in that time range. The decision I'll have to make is whether to play on an American server which might become a ghost town during hours I play, or opt for the Euro server in order to have people to play with, but have higher latency and not be able to play with the main goon guild.
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Zlodo, the only benefit to subtracting the ease of choosing where you play only really shows if Carbine/NC don't have their crap together. Region locking makes it much easier for Carbine/NC to have their crap together, sure, but in an ideal world, the consumer is better off because NC/Carbine allow the choice and deal with the problems associated with it. Carbine/NC went this this route because I'm assuming the pros outway the cons of making the playerbase angry here. They'd rather have a product that's easier to get functional and make more money, and the dudes that can't play with their friends on the US servers, NC/Carbine are saying: Wehhh, get over it. We're gonna make more money and/or make you less mad doing this.
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So what I've taken from this thread is that there is literally no actual reason to restrict where someone plays except for if you are a really angry person who likes to argue on comedy video game forum topics.
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Eonwe posted:So what I've taken from this thread is that there is literally no actual reason to restrict where someone plays except for if you are a really angry person who likes to argue on comedy video game forum topics. Can we get a mod in here? We got a real yucklehead trying to poop up r/GameReviews. Edit: profanity I'm really looking forward to accelerated releases of builds, because my uncle said that's why we can only play on the weekends. ItBurns fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Mar 19, 2014 |
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Captain Oblivious posted:NC Soft's history of customer satisfaction with MMOs is pretty garbage. Yet they are a very successful business that continues to sell some of the best games and subscriptions. 
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Extra posted:Yet they are a very successful business that continues to sell some of the best games and subscriptions. Not a mystery, its exclusively because of the korean market. The amount of money they get from the west is pitiable compared to what they get over there and as such they treat their western offerings like poo poo. e-For reference, Lineage 1, a game that NCsoft closed down in the west years ago is still the most played MMO in korea and 3rd or 4th most played game in general. The second most popular MMO is Aion, where it takes like a year for content patches to get here. The third MMO is Blade and Soul, a game that they still haven't released over here. Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Mar 19, 2014 |
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Lemon King posted:The new UI is pretty snazzy: http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/wildstar_ui_20_preview_less_is_more.php/ 3 screenshots does not a UI make
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Merope posted:Key giveaway for this weekend: Don't mess with your Facebook just go here http://www.mmorpg.com/giveaways.cfm/offer/504/Beta-Weekend-Key-Handout.html
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Extra posted:Yet they are a very successful business that continues to sell some of the best games and subscriptions. Primarily by the strength of the Korean market who, frankly, have awful tastes and are comfortable being treated like poo poo in games like Stockholm Syndrome: The Game (known in western markets as Lineage 2). As a western customer I've yet to find cause to say a single positive word about how NC Soft conducts business over here. Captain Oblivious fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Mar 19, 2014 |
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It's really hard to justify trading not playing with your friends for 100 less latency. It's an incomparable set of choices. I'm not exactly sure why you're not getting this.
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Mar 19, 2014 02:38
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Hey let's sperg over The Mystery portion of the Wildstar website to solve the puzzle, instead of bantering about region-lock!
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So those of you in the beta, do you run into the green dudes that remind me of like used cars salesmen? I love them already but I dunno if you actually get to encounter them throughout Nexus or if they're just for the housing
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Macaluso posted:So those of you in the beta, do you run into the green dudes that remind me of like used cars salesmen? I love them already but I dunno if you actually get to encounter them throughout Nexus or if they're just for the housing Yes, quite a bit.
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Yeah they're Protostar salesmen, and they're all over the place.
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Awesome! Do you get like actual lore/backstory about them cause it's funny to me that a big proud group like the Dominion has to pay these salesman for housing and such
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I really wanted to give this game a try, but they still haven't given me a beta key. The developers love sending me links of all the cool poo poo other people are doing in this game though. "But Team Wildstar, what is and adventure?" "An adventure is all the stuff that you can't do, because we still haven't given you a beta key! AHAHAHAHAHA!" Jerks.
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Why don't you just grab a key from either of those 2 links posted earlier?
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Macaluso posted:Awesome! Do you get like actual lore/backstory about them cause it's funny to me that a big proud group like the Dominion has to pay these salesman for housing and such Not a whole lot of backstory, but their quests have a lot of personality, and I like them.
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Kaddion posted:Why don't you just grab a key from either of those 2 links posted earlier? Thanks, that's what I miss out on for not reading through the thread I guess. What's the verdict so far, and are there SEA/Aus servers at all?
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HiveCommander posted:What's the verdict so far, and are there SEA/Aus servers at all?
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