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I gotta rewatch this thing when I'm slightly more awake. I had no idea who most of the characters were (Two pivotal characters named after chess pieces, one of which went by a third name professionally, both of whom we were probably meant to remember from the old show and neither was actually alive in more than a few seconds of footage? What?), and the Samsung bullshit must have funded half the film. Also, Logan looked loving ridiculous when he first turned up in that uniform, but that passed after a bit. He wasn't harsh enough though. I don't think I felt comfortable with it for the first bit, then Veronica picked up the phone in Keith's office and holy poo poo it's 2004 again. "Yes Ma'am, we will take pictures but 'shooting the sonavabitch' is not a service we currently offer". <--
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Stonefish posted:I gotta rewatch this thing when I'm slightly more awake. I had no idea who most of the characters were (Two pivotal characters named after chess pieces, one of which went by a third name professionally, both of whom we were probably meant to remember from the old show and neither was actually alive in more than a few seconds of footage? What?), and the Samsung bullshit must have funded half the film. Also, Logan looked loving ridiculous when he first turned up in that uniform, but that passed after a bit. He wasn't harsh enough though. I actually really liked that Logan showed up in uniform, because it was both a great way to show that he had straightened up but it didn't change who he was at the core, just made him more responsible. Showing up dressed like that is a very Logan thing to do, but having earned the right to dress like that wasn't.
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Mar 18, 2014 16:47
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I remember those two characters pretty vividly because I had just finished watching the first season. Carrie Bishop and Susan Knight were the two girls involved in the episode that featured Adam Scott as the history teacher. Carrie Bishop accused him of having an affair with her but then Veronica (convinced of his innocence) was able to prove her wrong. Turns out that it was SUSAN that had the affair with him and ended up pregnant. She was reluctant to come forward so Carrie did it. Carrie was originally played by another actress, so that could be causing some confusion too.
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Mar 18, 2014 17:01
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Oh right. I thought I remembered Knight (Sweet Knees), but I didn't get that both of them were from the same single episode. For a show with so many recurring characters, I didn't expect them to go back to the same barrel twice, let alone one character who only appeared in the final moments of the episode (if memory serves) and the prominent one who they didn't have the actress for. Logan's welcome to do the military thing. I'm just saying he looked loving weird in it. If he looked any more different, I'd have thought he was having weevil-esque medical problems or they re-cast the role or something (not that they would). But yeah, it passed as soon as he was back in normal clothes. Everyone else looked mostly the same. Dick Casablancas set the bar pretty loving high for Not Aging. "Spanning years and continents. Lives ruined, blood shed." was already a wonderful line, if a little dramatic for an eighteen year old. Calling back to it now thoroughly vindicates it and makes it all the more powerful. I couldn't ask for a better end to this chapter, although it definitely leaves space for more. Stonefish fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Mar 18, 2014 |
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Mar 18, 2014 17:20
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Stonefish posted:Oh right. I thought I remembered Knight (Sweet Knees), but I didn't get that both of them were from the same single episode. For a show with so many recurring characters, I didn't expect them to go back to the same barrel twice, let alone one character who only appeared in the final moments of the episode (if memory serves) and the prominent one who they didn't have the actress for. Oh come on, that's unfair criticism. They need two characters to be murdered for the plot to work, and they needed them to be friends and also hang out with 09ers. Can you really think of two other established people from Neptune High that could possibly have been a better fit than those two?
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Mar 18, 2014 17:28
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You're assuming they needed to find existing characters to fit the new plot, not new plot to fit the existing characters. Anyway, it's minor. Like I said, I watched it after being awake for 24 hours, so there are probably plenty of elements I missed that tied it all together. They did a pretty good job of setting up the old generation and the new in season 1. I wonder if we can get Lily Kane II in a few years... on the other hand, that'd have to involve bringing back Donut.
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Mar 18, 2014 17:56
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Stonefish posted:Logan's welcome to do the military thing. I'm just saying he looked loving weird in it. That uniform did seem a couple sizes too big when we first saw him. It reminded me of David Byrne's big suit.
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Mar 18, 2014 18:16
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howe_sam posted:That uniform did seem a couple sizes too big when we first saw him. It reminded me of David Byrne's big suit. He wore it fine. I don't think it was the uniform, I think it was him that made it look odd. He just changed since the show, took a bit of the movie to get used to non-boyish Logan.
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Mar 18, 2014 18:29
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howe_sam posted:That uniform did seem a couple sizes too big when we first saw him. It reminded me of David Byrne's big suit. I had the exact same though. That's why I actually thought he was joking at first. It looked a lot better at the end, but that was probably due to lighting. Stonefish posted:on the other hand, that'd have to involve bringing back Donut. Ugh. Him not being mentioned once was my favourite part of the movie.
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Mar 18, 2014 18:31
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It doesn't help that Carrie Bishop was played by Leighton Meester of Gossip Girl fame in the TV series.
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Mar 18, 2014 18:42
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They also bring up the episode with Adam Scott as they mention that Susan Knight drank and did drugs due to having to give up her kid for adoption.
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Mar 18, 2014 19:28
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As someone who has literally never watched an episode of the show, I really enjoyed the movie. I was relieved that they spent the first five minutes providing background for people like me so I wasn't completely lost watching it. Gave me a good enough reason to start watching the series from the beginning at least.
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Mar 18, 2014 21:03
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Handsome Ralph posted:As someone who has literally never watched an episode of the show, I really enjoyed the movie. I was relieved that they spent the first five minutes providing background for people like me so I wasn't completely lost watching it. Oh you're in for such a treat  I wish I could rewatch the series knowing nothing, too. Can you tell us more what you thought about the movie, because you might be the only person in this thread who had never watched VM before. I'm sure everyone else is interested as well
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Mar 18, 2014 21:06
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Twee as gently caress posted:Oh you're in for such a treat Sure thing. My fiance dragged me along with her friend and her husband, and I was apprehensive prior to the movie starting because the theater was mostly filled with women/girls and I was like one of 15 guys in attendance. Not necessarily a bad thing but it made me concerned that my fiance had duped me into watching Crime Twilight or something. Anyhow, after seeing who created the show/movie (I really loved Party Down), I was relived since I figured it would at worst just be a boring but occasionally entertaining movie considering the people involved and the creator behind it. Anyhow, I will say the "mystery" was a bit by the numbers (obvious first act suspect is red herring, second act is Veronica struggling with some kind of demon or whatever, etc), but it was enjoyable enough as a kind of noir story and not super predictable (except for the sniper bit, I kind of saw that coming as soon as one of the characters mentioned the guy read guns and ammo in high school, so I figured that's where it would go next since they also just finished explaining he lived across the street overlooking Gia's(?) apartment ). If I had any major complaints about the plot, it'd be the whole Weevil getting shot subplot. I get why it was done (to show the sheriffs dept. as corrupt and why Keith was going after them). It just felt like it was oddly resolved and kind of fizzled away after the main plot picked up again. Beyond that, the only other thing that went over my head were obvious nods or references to super fans of the show that I would obviously have no clue about. Overall, I'd say it's a pretty solid mystery/story, with the occasional faults but nothing that completely detracts from it being enjoyable. It gave me a reason to start watching the series from the beginning, so hey, the kickstarter worked I guess.
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Mar 18, 2014 22:07
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That was pretty interesting. What did you find boring, exactly? I imagine that most of the things you found boring you'll find interesting once you know the characters/setting. Now please do us a huge favor and in two weeks when you've bingewatched the whole three seasons, take a shower, watch the movie again and tell us how you feel about us then (trust me you'll want to watch it a second time by the time you finish the third season)
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Mar 18, 2014 22:21
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Yeah, I didn't find anything boring (that was just my initial assessment upon seeing who was behind the movie/series that it was the worst case scenario for myself, that the movie could be boring for me due to me not having seen the show before). It wasn't at all and I thought it was pretty well paced and solidly written, especially for someone new to the series. Once I finish the series, I'll give it another watch and see if my opinion holds up. I doubt it will change aside from getting all the callbacks and references.
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Mar 18, 2014 22:31
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That's fascinating. I assumed, because of how much the callbacks colored my enjoyment of the movie, anyone unfamiliar with the franchise wouldn't enjoy the movie. Congratulations on your conversion! You can probably just save yourself the trouble and not bother with the third season. Actually, honest question, besides the introduction to Piz, what did we really need to know from season 3 for the movie? It's been a while since I've re-watched that season.
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Mar 18, 2014 22:56
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Handsome Ralph posted:Yeah, I didn't find anything boring (that was just my initial assessment upon seeing who was behind the movie/series that it was the worst case scenario for myself, that the movie could be boring for me due to me not having seen the show before). It wasn't at all and I thought it was pretty well paced and solidly written, especially for someone new to the series. Going from the movie to Season 1 Episode 1 will be an amazing transition.
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Mar 18, 2014 23:03
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Zypher posted:That's fascinating. I assumed, because of how much the callbacks colored my enjoyment of the movie, anyone unfamiliar with the franchise wouldn't enjoy the movie. The video and her ruining her relationships with everyone. They also ignored the election at the end of the season.
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Mar 18, 2014 23:04
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Zypher posted:That's fascinating. I assumed, because of how much the callbacks colored my enjoyment of the movie, anyone unfamiliar with the franchise wouldn't enjoy the movie. Sets up a bit about Weevil, Logan, and Piz. A little bit of Wallace, Keith, Lamb... It CAN be skipped, but probably shouldn't. Just because it's not S1/S2 standards doesn't mean it's crap.
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Zypher posted:Congratulations on your conversion! You can probably just save yourself the trouble and not bother with the third season. Ignore anyone who says that. Season 3 had a major change of setting and format due to network fuckery + having to graduate, but it's most definitely enjoyable with plenty of great moments.
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Mar 18, 2014 23:08
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LesterGroans posted:Ugh. Him not being mentioned once was my favourite part of the movie. People say Donut was terribly bland and badly acted, but I say Deputy Blanderson (Leo D'amato) was way worse on both counts. And he didn't get much better over time.
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Mar 18, 2014 23:09
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Stonefish posted:People say Donut was terribly bland and badly acted, but I say Deputy Blanderson (Leo D'amato) was way worse on both counts. And he didn't get much better over time. Now you're defending Donut AND hating on Leo? The whole loving thread is gonna turn on you.
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Mar 18, 2014 23:12
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Please. Second Worst and Worst. I wasn't big on Vinnie either, but "I'm the reason that people know Anne Hathaway has a vagina" is just so delightfully retarded.
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Mar 18, 2014 23:23
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Stonefish posted:Logan's welcome to do the military thing. I'm just saying he looked loving weird in it. If he looked any more different, I'd have thought he was having weevil-esque medical problems or they re-cast the role or something (not that they would).
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Mar 18, 2014 23:27
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They were ill-fitting as gently caress, yes.
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Mar 18, 2014 23:49
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Stonefish posted:People say Donut was terribly bland and badly acted, but I say Deputy Blanderson (Leo D'amato) was way worse on both counts. And he didn't get much better over time. I disagree completely. Deputy, sorry, Detective Leo came off pretty charming in the movie and I think Schmidt's a fine actor. Also, not being "big" on Vinnie Van Lowe just instantly makes you a crazy person.
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Mar 18, 2014 23:51
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Feenix posted:They were ill-fitting as gently caress, yes. Ill-fitting as gently caress and he was wearing the wrong uniform (Service Dress Whites at an airport, what the gently caress?). I think I found my one gripe with the movie guys! 
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Mar 19, 2014 00:05
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Wasn't he coming from somewhere else and didn't have time to change?
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Handsome Ralph posted:Ill-fitting as gently caress and he was wearing the wrong uniform (Service Dress Whites at an airport, what the gently caress?). I just figured Naval bases in southern Cali would just be all "sure yeah wear SDWs instead of SDBs to the airport, it's like 85 loving degrees out there". And I maintain that it's hard as hell to get a perfect fit in a dress uniform. You buy them to look cool, and you only buy ONE PAIR until you hit O-4 level. So if you change weight, it won't fit great. But it's a goddamn uniform so you still look styling.
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My new headcanon is thus: -Woody somehow survived and had reconstructive surgery. -Gia survived, moved to New York and changed her name to Chloe. IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
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Mar 19, 2014 01:57
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Mu Zeta posted:Wasn't he coming from somewhere else and didn't have time to change? Yeah he said something about meeting with the JAG office before meeting with her.
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Mar 19, 2014 03:46
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Handsome Ralph posted:[/spoiler] Pander posted:Going from the movie to Season 1 Episode 1 will be an amazing transition. I know, I know. I'm just saying. These people haven't aged a day.
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Loved the movie. Backed the Kickstarter, bought it on iTunes, caught it in theaters. I'm still kind of in disbelief that it got made and actually is a thing that exists. Regarding the re-watch, I might be alone in this, but I think season 2 was better than season 1, and season 3 was better than season 2. I think the change in format helped the show a lot: The cast of characters are more interesting when they aren't continually being cockblocked by parents and teachers because they're in high-school. I also liked Piz and Parker just fine. They served admirably as foils to the rest of the people that had been there two seasons. People bitch about them being boring, but not every character in the show needs to be embroiled in three high profile murder cases over the course of their arc. Having some "normal" people to bounce off of throws guys like Dick and Logan into much-needed relief. And they had distinct enough personalities to be endearing in their own right. Parker suffered a bit by throwing in with the feminist goon squad, but I thought she really shined as the one genuinely upbeat, outgoing, happy and more-or-less well-adjusted person in the series. A reminder that Neptune skulduggery doesn't turn everyone into either a sociopath or extensively damaged goods. Some people bounce back. Also: Mumbly-rear end Deputy Leo is one of my favorite bit players (enough that he was the sole reason I started watching New Girl) and Sheriff Lamb getting loving domed  was one of the series highlights for me. I thought it was a fitting end to his character arc. Actually a more fitting end would have been having someone make a crack about him needing to ask the wizard for some brains after he got his bashed right the gently caress out, but I'll take what I can get.
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Crunk Abortion posted:Also: Mumbly-rear end Deputy Leo is one of my favorite bit players (enough that he was the sole reason I started watching New Girl) and Sheriff Lamb getting loving domed Regarding Sheriff Lamb: I was honestly kinda bummed when he died. Whereas in the movie his brother is more or less a caricature of corruption, has zero redeeming qualities and is pretty much straight evil, the original Lamb still managed to do the right thing every now and then. His fault was in wanting to be famous for his job and often he would let that guide his decisions. His older brother is solely in the job for the power it provides. You can tell the younger Lamb had an inferiority complex, which in my opinion gave him a little more depth. I thought it was really unfortunate that he died.
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Venkmanologist posted:Regarding Sheriff Lamb: I was honestly kinda bummed when he died. Whereas in the movie his brother is more or less a caricature of corruption, has zero redeeming qualities and is pretty much straight evil, the original Lamb still managed to do the right thing every now and then. His fault was in wanting to be famous for his job and often he would let that guide his decisions. His older brother is solely in the job for the power it provides. You can tell the younger Lamb had an inferiority complex, which in my opinion gave him a little more depth. I thought it was really unfortunate that he died. I hated him until the episode in which you find out about Meg's batshit insane family His responce to that showed that he was a human underneath it all. The comment from the first episode was still undefensable, but he still had some decent qualities. His brother not so much. It was also intresting who they had in the RIP video. I was shocked that the first one was not Lily, and wondered if who they did have had connections with future storylines/current. I also wonder how long that thing was, since they had so many deaths in that class. The only one longer would be a Sunnydale one.
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bobkatt013 posted:I hated him until the episode in which you find out about Meg's batshit insane family His responce to that showed that he was a human underneath it all. The comment from the first episode was still undefensable, but he still had some decent qualities. His brother not so much. It was also intresting who they had in the RIP video. I was shocked that the first one was not Lily, and wondered if who they did have had connections with future storylines/current. I also wonder how long that thing was, since they had so many deaths in that class. The only one longer would be a Sunnydale one. Lily was actually a year ahead of Veronica.
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The thing that weirded me out the most was that Dan Lamb is the OLDER brother of Don Lamb. Jerry O'Connell is old. I am old. Also that Veronica has sniper like aim with her mace as she's running away at high speed.
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:Lily was actually a year ahead of Veronica. But her boyfriend, her other boyfriend, her best friend, and her brother were all in that class. She should have rated a mention probably.
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Pinterest Mom posted:But her boyfriend, her other boyfriend, her best friend, and her brother were all in that class. She should have rated a mention probably. Everyone loved her so she should be the first one mentioned every year!
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