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Rynoto
Apr 27, 2009
It doesn't help that I'm fat as fuck, so my face shouldn't be shown off in the first place.
Calling it now. PoE will harness all the power of the crazy that Ubik and the EvW team left in their wake.

A truly marvelous train wreck awaits.

(Yes I know Obsidian is running all of it besides the distribution and such, but I want the crazy to happen :v:)

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Obfuscation
Jan 1, 2008
Good luck to you, I know you believe in hell

I once desecrated the EULA in front of a mirror and a svenska magister summoned me across the baltic ocean into a domkyrka, true story

Serpentis
May 31, 2011

Well, if I really HAVE to shoot you in the bollocks to shut you up, then I guess I'll need to, post-haste, for everyone else's sake.

Obfuscation posted:

I once desecrated the EULA in front of a mirror and a svenska magister summoned me across the baltic ocean into a domkyrka, true story

Guess we know what really happened to Ubik, then. Oh, PI might have taken the piety hit to make it look like an accident, but...

Ferrosol
Nov 8, 2010

Notorious J.A.M


Are EULA's even legally enforceable in the EU? Last time it came up I remember the legal precedents said no.

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes
As far as I know they have never really been tested by courts, so no one is quite sure, but possibly not. Even assuming they are rock solid, why on earth we would ever want to call some random user of our games to court in Sweden is beyond me.

Ofaloaf
Feb 15, 2013

Do the flags in Swedish courts have gold fringe on them? I may have a loophole that guy would be interested in.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Darkrenown posted:

As far as I know they have never really been tested by courts, so no one is quite sure, but possibly not. Even assuming they are rock solid, why on earth we would ever want to call some random user of our games to court in Sweden is beyond me.

Where else are you going to get sacrifices for the blot? :unsmigghh:

Westminster System
Jul 4, 2009
That's EULA's for you. They're legally binding, as long as no-one bothers to try to actually enforce them in a non-nebulous way.

GrossMurpel
Apr 8, 2011
- Paradox announce EU4 and kill MM to steal its ideas
- Paradox announce HoI4 and steal EvW to steal its ideas
- Paradox announce Runemaster and publish PoE

I feel bad for all the Kickstarter backers who actually thought it would ever come out. RIP Pillars of Eternity. At least we'll see all its ideas in Runemaster.

Zerf
Dec 17, 2004

I miss you, sandman

GrossMurpel posted:

- Paradox announce EU4 and kill MM to steal its ideas
- Paradox announce HoI4 and steal EvW to steal its ideas
- Paradox announce Runemaster and publish PoE

I feel bad for all the Kickstarter backers who actually thought it would ever come out. RIP Pillars of Eternity. At least we'll see all its ideas in Runemaster.

Yeah, we'll probably scoop up all PoEs ideas. But we won't publish them before we've dumbed them down so our casual playerbase can understand them.

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes
An excellent parody post :golfclap:

Cowcatcher
Dec 23, 2005

OUR PEOPLE WERE BORN OF THE SKY
If someone's crazy enough to spend time reading EULA then they're crazy enough to draw crazy conclusions from it. Crazy.

fuck off Batman
Oct 14, 2013

Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah!


Mount and Blade was developed by Taleworlds and then published by PI. It was fine, but I remember reading very similar things like this

Darkrenown posted:

With Paradox on board, how much input will they have into the EULA for PoE?

I normally refuse to purchase Paradox games because their EULA terms give them the ability to summon me across an ocean to appear in a court that normally would not have any jurisdiction over me. Never going to happen (for both financial and other reasons), thus I have games that I purchased in bundles sitting in my Steam account (don't get me started on them, either) that will never be played because of their EULAs. Essentially, Paradox titles are wasted money for me.

on their forums.

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

Disco Infiva posted:

Mount and Blade was developed by Taleworlds and then published by PI. It was fine, but I remember reading very similar things like this


on their forums.

What kind of people read EULAs

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!
I've never realized until now that we live in an age when even small companies can enforce international law. Why, at this rate we should be able to solve climate change within about a decade or less! Oh brave new world!

skipThings
May 21, 2007

Tell me more about this
"Wireless fun-adaptor" you were speaking of.

Elias_Maluco posted:

What kind of people read EULAs

is the new

"what's up with airplane food?"

Westminster System
Jul 4, 2009
What isn't up with airline food?

I'm so terribly witty today.

Fintilgin
Sep 29, 2004

Fintilgin sweeps!
The worst ones are the ones you actually have to drag the bar down to the bottom so you can pretend you 'read' it before it will let you click
'continue'.

I'm waiting for one to give me a multiple choice reading comprehension questionnaire.

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice

A Buttery Pastry posted:

They're just doing this to wreck a competitor, like they did Magna Mundi and East vs. West.

Knowing Obsidian's track record involving Publishers this might just happen.

Cantorsdust
Aug 10, 2008

Infinitely many points, but zero length.
No it will be a repeat of Obsidian + Bethesda. Paradox will offer a bonus for a high score on Metacritic while also paying for all the bug testing. Then Paradox won't do any bugtesting try to bugtest it themselves, and the game will get dinged for having a mess of bugs on release.

fuck off Batman
Oct 14, 2013

Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah!


All joking aside, congrats to PI for this deal :)

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
I want this deal to cause Project Cartel to turn into Alpha Protocol 2 so badly

Cityinthesea
Aug 7, 2009
Just wait, they're gonna make a grand strategy game with a story by Obsidian.

You thought the crusades were real before?

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

"What of the Romans?"
"They shall die a death that shall last millennia, until all that remains is their code, their history, and the shell of their armor on the shell of a man, too easily slain by Jedi Turks."

SkySteak
Sep 9, 2010
In regards to Darkest Hour, when it comes to upgrading units ,is it better to spend most of your available IC to the upgrading, or is it better to forgo them completely and just have more units? For example, should the USSR be upgrading it's legion of obsolete units, or should it be spewing more?

Speaking of which, when it comes to high dissent, is it better to spend all your IC possible to get that down or just some of it?

Demiurge4
Aug 10, 2011

SkySteak posted:

In regards to Darkest Hour, when it comes to upgrading units ,is it better to spend most of your available IC to the upgrading, or is it better to forgo them completely and just have more units? For example, should the USSR be upgrading it's legion of obsolete units, or should it be spewing more?

Speaking of which, when it comes to high dissent, is it better to spend all your IC possible to get that down or just some of it?

If you're not upgrading your units you might as well not do research, keep your army in tip top shape and make sure you prioritise your important front line units for that (there's a button). As for dissent just add some extra consumer goods, 5 or 10 IC usually does it for me. Dissent won't really go up much by itself except through the odd events and if you just keep on top of it with a trickle of fancy shoes and fridges you'll be fine.

SkySteak
Sep 9, 2010

Demiurge4 posted:

If you're not upgrading your units you might as well not do research, keep your army in tip top shape and make sure you prioritise your important front line units for that (there's a button). As for dissent just add some extra consumer goods, 5 or 10 IC usually does it for me. Dissent won't really go up much by itself except through the odd events and if you just keep on top of it with a trickle of fancy shoes and fridges you'll be fine.

I was just wondering because for example, USSR, has a shitton of un-upgraded crap, while getting whacked by massive dissent events. Wouldn't it be worth the IC to reduce that massive dissent penalty as quickly as possible so you have IC to spend on useful things like units?

Also is factory building still worth it or still vital, or should I just focus on building actual units/defences?

maev
Dec 6, 2010
Economically illiterate Tory Boy Bollocks brain.
Keep away from children
In general good tips for USSR seem hard to come by for vanilla Darkest Hour, since apparently no one plays that and only plays Kaisserreich. The only tactic I've seen so far is 'Spam infantry'. Also, what do you do if Hitler decides May 1940 is the Best Date to invade? Because he sure loves to do that.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Fintilgin posted:

The worst ones are the ones you actually have to drag the bar down to the bottom so you can pretend you 'read' it before it will let you click
'continue'.

I'm waiting for one to give me a multiple choice reading comprehension questionnaire.

I've been waiting to meet one which enforces a veeeery slow automatic scroll through the entire EULA before you can click Accept.

e; Soviets in DH can be a bitch if Hitler does decide it's Go Time ahead of schedule, which he is indeed fond of doing because often enough he'll roll through Benelux in August 1939 and take Paris before the year is out. The dissent events are sheer murder and take years to pay off. What I tend to do is trade my raw materials for supplies so that I can devote more IC elsewhere, then just spam fuckloads of IC until 1938/39. Then I switch to upgrading units, because you have a LOT of them and it's much cheaper than building new ones. Abandon all naval ambitions entirely, place a handful of units in the Far East in case of Japan, then stack every other unit you have on the front with the fascists. Take some up to kick in Finland's teeth during the Winter War, which is also when you should work on reinforcements thanks to the magic of event manpower, and only after that start building significant amounts of new units. Once the war breaks out it'll get easier to bring dissent down and build new units, so just play it like Stalin did - fall back as slowly as possible and bleed German manpower dry. If you can spare the IC, forts along the Dneiper are an especially good defensive line. Hide behind your defenses as you build armored forces and a fuckhuge air force, then crush them.

Of course I am terrible at DH as the Nazis and Soviets both, for some reason, so my advice should be taken with more than a pinch of salt. On the other hand, if you do get forced into the Bitter Peace you could try to hold the country together, put down the revolts, and figure out a way to roll back westwards, but unless the Western Allies pull off D-Day that's a hell of an ask if you don't just use ICBMs.

Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Mar 20, 2014

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


The starting Soviet units are not nearly enough to stop Grrmany, even with upgrades. Prioritising building units over upgrading is vital.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
Upgrading units in DH is something you should only be spending IC on as a last resort. This goes double if you're a Central Planning economy like Germany or the USSR.

Build shitloads of new units. Infantry is overpowered in DH, so get tons of that and enough HQs to cover your frontlines (five or six should do - note that you start with about that many, then you get purged down to just one).

Another consideration here is that units that are damaged will also upgrade a bit as they repair, so keeping your army up-to-date means you miss out on these free upgrades.

Your Manpower doctrine also gives you discounts to building infantry, so use them.

Prioritising upgrades over quantity, thinking you have to put attached brigades on everything, and using lots of specialist units (like entire armies of mountaineers) are some common newbie mistakes in DH. Don't do any of them.

Tamerlame
Oct 20, 2012

The logic I always go by is that one new infantry division could save me in a lovely situation while an upgraded infantry division is only somewhat better. So always build new units, if you've got some spare IC you could spend it on upgrading, but upgrading through reinforcement is usually enough if you've got high Central Planing.

I also spend everything into consumer goods when I get any dissent. Since dissent lowers your total IC you're going to want that back ASAP, and the extra money really doesn't hurt.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

lullelulle posted:

I also spend everything into consumer goods when I get any dissent. Since dissent lowers your total IC you're going to want that back ASAP, and the extra money really doesn't hurt.

This is generally a good strategy, though it's worth learning if your nation has any dissent-lowering events and "saving up" your dissent for those. Mostly Germany gets them - stuff like the Munich Agreement gives you -10% dissent which it's a shame to waste.

SkySteak
Sep 9, 2010

Gort posted:

This is generally a good strategy, though it's worth learning if your nation has any dissent-lowering events and "saving up" your dissent for those. Mostly Germany gets them - stuff like the Munich Agreement gives you -10% dissent which it's a shame to waste.

Does the USSR get any specific dissent lowering events?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

SkySteak posted:

Does the USSR get any specific dissent lowering events?

You get minus 1 if the republicans win the civil war.

SkySteak
Sep 9, 2010

Raskolnikov38 posted:

You get minus 1 if the republicans win the civil war.

Asuming that is really it, is the USSR just event sparse or something? I mean yeah you get the SCW, the purges, The Winter War and Barbarossa but do you get any cool stuff for say, taking German/Berlin and anything beyond that?

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


SkySteak posted:

Does the USSR get any specific dissent lowering events?

The USSR just got an extra 10 dissent from your suggestion that it may have dissent reducing events.

No.

A Tartan Tory
Mar 26, 2010

You call that a shotgun?!
I just want to say that Warlock 2: The Exiled is a fantastic game and you should all try it.

Demiurge4
Aug 10, 2011

A Tartan Tory posted:

I just want to say that Warlock 2: The Exiled is a fantastic game and you should all try it.

Is it very different from the first game? I really didn't like the civilization lite aspects of it and none of the LP videos have impressed me.

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Chump Farts
May 9, 2009

There is no Coordinator but Narduzzi, and Shilique is his Prophet.
I'm way shaky on Vicky 2 versus Ricky. I have a game as Russia, and aside from maybe putting money into stockpile (not sure what this is vs a Ricky game mechanic) and lowering taxes on the rich, not sure how to start the process of industrialization. Don't really wanna switch away from Slavophile yet though. Any tips?

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