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Motronic posted:He said trade in value, not private party. And that's as low as trade in goes, because you can get $375+ for pretty much any car in any condition for scrap.
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Motronic posted:He said trade in value, not private party. And that's as low as trade in goes, because you can get $375+ for pretty much any car in any condition for scrap. Yes. My surprise is more that anyone would consider that a reasonable offer even on a trade in when better sales alternatives exist.
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Mar 19, 2014 23:13
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Baller Witness Bro posted:Yes. My surprise is more that anyone would consider that a reasonable offer even on a trade in when better sales alternatives exist. Trade in values are always pathetically low compared to private party. They only start making sense if you live in a state with sales tax and the trade in value is significant (like over $10k) so you can save that amount of sales tax off your purchase price. Otherwise it's almost always better (financially, not in terms of mental health) to sell it yourself. Unless you're screwed on a financing deal and/or underwater on the car like so many people are. I dunno....I don't finance cars.
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Baller Witness Bro posted:Yes. My surprise is more that anyone would consider that a reasonable offer even on a trade in when better sales alternatives exist. I went back and re-read my second post, it does kinda sound like I considered $375 a reasonable trade-in price for my 855T as it sits, which I definitely do not. I just thought I'd share that my car is technically worth 100x less than what it sold for new, even though it isn't actually in that bad of shape.
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Mar 19, 2014 23:46
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Here's a terrible thing from Renault https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXaV41zMA60 I...just don't know. It solves a problem with a whole host of other problems, and still doesn't manage to solve the problem.
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Mar 19, 2014 23:50
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Why not just put it at the front of the engine bay like literally every other manufacturer so you don't have lean across the dirty engine 
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Mar 19, 2014 23:54
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Goober Peas posted:Here's a terrible thing from Renault Hahaha people literally took hours to design this poo poo.
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Mar 19, 2014 23:59
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Terrible Robot posted:Why not just put it at the front of the engine bay like literally every other manufacturer so you don't have lean across the dirty engine
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Mar 20, 2014 00:07
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Chinatown posted:Hahaha people literally took hours to design this poo poo. It's how proud Mr Man is that kills me
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Mar 20, 2014 00:12
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Goober Peas posted:Here's a terrible thing from Renault This is an April Fool's joke that leaked a couple weeks early, right? I can't believe Renault spent the man hours and capital to actually design and engineer this for reals. There's quirky, and then there's full stupid. This is the latter.
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Mar 20, 2014 00:16
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Terrible Robot posted:Why not just put it at the front of the engine bay like literally every other manufacturer so you don't have lean across the dirty engine So you can, instead, lean over the dirty hood. Duh. 
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Mar 20, 2014 00:17
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Or you can drop the hood on the ground, scratching the paint!
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Mar 20, 2014 00:19
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That bay is so small I wonder how short you have to be to lean over it.
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Mar 20, 2014 00:19
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Terrible Robot posted:Why not just put it at the front of the engine bay like literally every other manufacturer so you don't have lean across the dirty engine Well for one the new Twingo is rear-engined...
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Mar 20, 2014 00:23
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MrChips posted:Well for one the new Twingo is rear-engined... Then shouldn't the coolant.. be... in the back?
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Mar 20, 2014 00:46
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MrChips posted:Well for one the new Twingo is rear-engined... I was mildly bemused at first. Now I'm just angry. What the hell, Renault?
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Mar 20, 2014 00:50
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On the plus side, this will make it the only RWD small car. Well, except for the Smart, which will share the same platform. And I honestly think the new Twingo looks like a great small car, the fiddly, stupid bonnet notwithstanding. Which, by the way, I bet they only engineered that way because not using hinges was a few cents cheaper.
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Mar 20, 2014 02:02
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Goober Peas posted:Here's a terrible thing from Renault What a huge piece of poo poo. If you've taken the car outdoors at all, the hood will be covered in dirt/dust/other things. Not to mention that when you see him trying to put the thing back on he fumbles to align it properly. Why not just use a pair of hinges and be done with it? If you want to save a few pennies, don't include a pneumatic strut. Edit: Also, I foresee those front plates either being lost or stolen at some point in time.
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Mar 20, 2014 04:47
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I honestly thought that Mr Smiley was pointing out the ridiculousness of the whole thing until halfway through the video.
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Mar 20, 2014 05:01
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Manufacturer advantages: Hinges are expensive, plastic dooberies are cheap Factory panel alignment is difficult/time consuming No hinges? Hood doesn't need to be nearly as stiff, therefore thinner, lighter, cheaper. Consumer advantages: Looks like the whole operation can be done from outside the car, no need to get into your car! No need to touch the dirty engine! (Because it isn't there) The Audi A2 was a brilliant example of how to do this, a tiny conventional hood that basically have you access to fluids and nothing else, wonderful little vehicles. I wonder how terrible they are for maintenance though?
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MetaJew posted:Edit: Also, I foresee those front plates either being lost or stolen at some point in time. I foresee hoods getting bent from people leaning on them.
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Mar 20, 2014 07:55
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Sometimes I think I am the only person who thinks that the best way to prevent people from working on their own car engines would be to put all of the good stuff in plain view with as many tubes, pipes, wires, and warning signs everywhere. They could even be fake.
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Mar 20, 2014 08:52
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Wild EEPROM posted:Sometimes I think I am the only person who thinks that the best way to prevent people from working on their own car engines would be to put all of the good stuff in plain view with as many tubes, pipes, wires, and warning signs everywhere. Lots of functionless pipes and wires everywhere sounds like steampunk and steampunk is pretty uncool.
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Mar 20, 2014 09:06
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Mr. Smiley must be taking the piss out of the bad combi-van pop bonnet. The hood makes contact with the screen when he flubbs the closing procedure. No damage but its not really what you want to see.
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Wild EEPROM posted:Sometimes I think I am the only person who thinks that the best way to prevent people from working on their own car engines would be to put all of the good stuff in plain view with as many tubes, pipes, wires, and warning signs everywhere. I'm immediately reminded of my late uncle's XJ12 
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You can even see the warning label right there in bold block letters: "JAGUAR V12"
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dissss posted:I'm immediately reminded of my late uncle's XJ12 A good write up of what the gently caress you're looking at. I am just learning how to work under the hood, so I was just as confused as the author as a child. quote:The first time I opened the bonnet on my XJ-S V12 I just stared at it in disbelief for a few minuets, then gently shut the bonnet again and walked away.
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Mar 20, 2014 11:07
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Thankfully you can pull all that crap off and just do this to it:
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surebet posted:I foresee hoods getting bent from people leaning on them. It sounds like it's made from plastic in the video.
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88h88 posted:It sounds like it's made from plastic in the video. I wonder how that effects the results of a wreck. Modern hoods are rigged so they bend conveniently out of the way, plastic will bend and then try to snap back into shape. Granted plastic probably won't be breaking the windscreen but I'm still curious what the result is.
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He is taking the piss, notice how he rubs himself against the hood while proclaiming that there's no way you can get dirty? If I were Renault I'd probably have that guy's face on a dartboard right now because that video just nuked everything their PR department tried to date.
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I don't understand what the video is trying to say. Is Renault touting the location of the washer reservoir as a feature? I saw no indication that this was the case. So the hood doesn't have hinges and just lids off like a tupperware lid. Seems a bit too much just to save money but this is a small cheap car. What is happening
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dissss posted:I'm immediately reminded of my late uncle's XJ12 As the previous owner of an RX7, this is pretty tame, actually.
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That fuel line going across the top of the engine doesn't seem a good idea, and that throttle linkage is pretty wild, but toher than that, eh, it's got 12 spark plugs and 12 spark plug cables.
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I like the zip ties on the manifold. 3 cents worth of rattle-b-gone.
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The French have a long, proud history of fitting major machanical components in place and then just vomiting bits of cooling system wherever they'll fit. They've got a lot better over the last couple of decades. I don't think the Twingo bonnet is a problem for coolant, but for the washer fluid to require it to come off like that is silly. Should have put the reservoir near the bumper, and just had a little fill hatch hidden in the grille.
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Throatwarbler posted:That fuel line going across the top of the engine doesn't seem a good idea, and that throttle linkage is pretty wild, but toher than that, eh, it's got 12 spark plugs and 12 spark plug cables. Seems easier to change plugs and cables on that than some V6s where they hide 1 or two plugs by the firewall for some stupid reason.
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xzzy posted:I wonder how that effects the results of a wreck. Modern hoods are rigged so they bend conveniently out of the way, plastic will bend and then try to snap back into shape. “plastic“ covers an enormous range of materials, with a corresponding range of physical qualities. Polycarbonate would scratch and shatter easily, ABS may soften too easily & degrade in the sun. Kydex however would be brilliant in this application. E: I also owned both a Citroen ax and b.s., with plastic hood, fenders, tailgate and door skins in the case of the bx. Not prone to explosive shattering. E2: and now I read what you actually wrote and I'm replying to something you never said, 'cause I'm dumb. cakesmith handyman fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Mar 20, 2014 |
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It's okay, I've probably said more stupid regrettable poo poo on this forum than you. I'm just curious about the engineering effort that went into that hood with regards to what happens in a wreck. 
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Considering EU laws regarding pedestrian impact safety ratings, I'd wager "More Than You Would Think."
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