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Carbon dioxide posted:I don't know, but last year was officially some kind of bilateral Netherlands-Russia year thingie. They planned lots of state visits. It started out positive, but in the end the main things that happened between the two countries was that a Russian guy committed suicide in a Dutch cell, Russia arrested some Dutch Greenpeace members without following proper rules and Dutch folks protested against the new Russian law that limits the rights of homosexuals. Also our prime minister continues to suck Vladimir Putin's cock through all of this because of natural gas or tulips or whatever.
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duckmaster posted:Not particularly useful in a country which sent 8 MiG-21s to Israel a few years ago for upgrades. 4 of them mysteriously disappeared: almost certainly sold on by a senior air force General or government minister (probably a few of them). Cambodia has over 2200 Generals compared to the US cap of 500....! Jesus.  Do you have a source for those maps? I had no idea US involvement in Cambodia was so large, I thought it was very brief, or something. I guess I really don't know anything about it.
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Count Roland posted:Jesus. This article mentions the likely source, a released database of US bombing missions in the region http://www.yale.edu/cgp/Walrus_CambodiaBombing_OCT06.pdf quote:2,756,941 tons’ worth, dropped in 230,516 sorties on 113,716 sites. There's a good map on the second page.
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We also find unexploded ordnance pretty much every month here in Germany. WW2 was almost 70 years ago!
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And they dropped several times more bombs on Cambodia than they did on Germany.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:This article mentions the likely source, a released database of US bombing missions in the region steinrokkan posted:And they dropped several times more bombs on Cambodia than they did on Germany. And Hell, Cambodia didn't even have the worst of it. Laos is the most-bombed country in the world, having been hit by over 5 million tons of ordinance during the Vietnam War, and 30% of them didn't go off.
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Torrannor posted:We also find unexploded ordnance pretty much every month here in Germany. WW2 was almost 70 years ago! Pretty much every month? Try Wikipedia posted:Thousands of UXOs from the Second World War are still uncovered each year in Germany. The daily average is 15, most of them aerial bombs. Here's a bomb that managed to make the news. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NbM2Xbc1uk Most don't. You just get used to the constant drip of "oh, here's one more of those things". I can't even imagine how bad it has to be in Laos and Cambodia.
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Holy poo poo, was that mostly the bombs explosives or whatever they set it off with?
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Smirr posted:Pretty much every month? Try The wet season lasts several months and basically floods the entire country, which helps to rot the detonators. Of course they are still highly unstable piles of explosives so people are still being maimed and killed every year. Belgium has more than its fair share from WW1. Two people were killed by an unexploded grenade today.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Holy poo poo, was that mostly the bombs explosives or whatever they set it off with? That was the bomb. As for finding bombs, where I live they just found one yesterday (50 KG) during construction work. That happens every few months around here.
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duckmaster posted:The wet season lasts several months and basically floods the entire country, which helps to rot the detonators. Of course they are still highly unstable piles of explosives so people are still being maimed and killed every year. The Belgian Dovo (the service for the removal and destruction of explosive devices) has to process about 200 tons worth of explosives every year. That's the combined legacy of the 2 world wars that were fought here. About 2 months ago they found an abnormally large cache of 200 WW1 mustard gas grenades.
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How long is it thought that the stuff will still be explosive?
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Thousands of years from now archeologists studying the 20th century will still be randomly blown up by XO, I would like to think. Consequently no one will want to study this period and our material culture will be poorly understood! Especially Belgian and Cambodian culture.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:This article mentions the likely source, a released database of US bombing missions in the region Thanks. twoday posted:Thousands of years from now archeologists studying the 20th century will still be randomly blown up by XO, I would like to this. Consequently no one will want to study this period and our material culture will be poorly understood! Especially Belgian and Cambodian culture, "As previous cultures like the Egyptians sealed their dead deep beneath the Earth to prevent tomb-raiding, these other cultures have buried thousands of destructive traps to discourage theft. Even today, the traps can sometimes be deadly."
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Oh there'll always be loons that believe in the unexploded ordinance's curse won't there.
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Koramei posted:Oh there'll always be loons that believe in the unexploded ordinance's curse won't there. Coming 2256 to neural uplinks everywhere Manchukuo Li and The Curse of Uxo
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This is actually a serious problem regarding the disposal of nuclear waste. Picture this: the waste is buried deep underground, and the deposits are then sealed and caution signs are plastered all over the doors. Over time, for whatever reason, the location of these sites becomes unknown. Then, thousands of years in the future, archeologists find a mysterious sealed building, and on the doors there are inscription promising horribly painful death for whoever dares enter...
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twoday posted:Thousands of years from now archeologists studying the 20th century will still be randomly blown up by XO, I would like to this. Consequently no one will want to study this period and our material culture will be poorly understood! Especially Belgian and Cambodian culture, How long do explosives keep in such conditions? It seems incredible that a buried landmine would remain active and capable of exploding after, say, 200 years in the dirt.
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Barudak posted:Coming 2256 to neural uplinks everywhere Manchukuo Li and The Curse of Uxo  It's good to know the Japanese Empire is presumably alive and well 242 years from now.
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Thousands of years in the future the amount of radiation emitted by that waste should be significantly less though.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:It's good to know the Japanese Empire is presumably alive and well 242 years from now. Its the future; if you're going to be wrong you about your prediction you might as well be as wrong as you possibly can. rscott posted:Thousands of years in the future the amount of radiation emitted by that waste should be significantly less though. Manchukuo Li and the Temple of the Fat Man
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Mikl posted:This is actually a serious problem regarding the disposal of nuclear waste. That's exactly why nuclear material gets it's own unique symbol. People have thought this through, and the prevailing wisdom seems to be to avoid using any current languages, because this stuff will still be dangerous 10,000 years from now when nobody will understand them. But if we have one symbol for it, then that on it's own might be universal enough to stick around. If there's some apocalypse that regresses human society, then at least they should figure out that that symbol = get out. It's funny, every time I see drawings from the period, I'm struck by how much I like the Republic of China flag. Never quit Taiwan, if only for your flag.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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texaholic posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unexploded_ordnance#United_States Manchukuo Li and the Confederate's Revenge quote:In 2008, for example, Civil War enthusiast Sam White was killed when a naval shell he was attempting to disarm exploded. "Wow! My legs got blown off by an authentic Civil War shell! I'm bleeding out just like the 99th Union Calvary at the Battle of Red Bull! This is great, guys, I've got powder burns and everything..." twoday fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Mar 20, 2014 |
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PittTheElder posted:It's funny, every time I see drawings from the period, I'm struck by how much I like the Republic of China flag. Never quit Taiwan, if only for your flag. Well there's the Five Races Under One Union flag which China says it will use again as soon as it gets Taiwan (and Mongolia) back.  They had a badass Air Force logo too: 
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Mikl posted:This is actually a serious problem regarding the disposal of nuclear waste. I love seeing pictures, diagrams, and such of how such a facility might look:    
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Mikl posted:This is actually a serious problem regarding the disposal of nuclear waste. This has actually been thought out recently by the US Department of Energy, in a long report about how to design a storage facility that will deter people from entering for 10,000 years (summary here). Amongst the use of eight languages (including Navajo) for warning labels, they've looked into non-verbal ways of communicating 'seriously, don't be here', including menacing earthworks:   e;f,b
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Bro Dad posted:Well there's the Five Races Under One Union flag which China says it will use again as soon as it gets Taiwan (and Mongolia) back. Who is the blue race? Na'Vi?
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Disco Infiva posted:Who is the blue race? Na'Vi? The races dont go according to skin colours like you'd immediately think but you know, are actually based on people that live in China while not exactly 'races'. I don't remember which race is which colour but they represent Mongols, Han, Muslims, Manchus and the Tibetans. e: quick checking from Wikipedia tells us that Mongols are apparently the Far Eastern Na'vi here Skeleton Jelly fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Mar 20, 2014 |
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PittTheElder posted:That's exactly why nuclear material gets it's own unique symbol. The new one is also bad, because it looks like a religious design or prophecy.  "Seraphim will descend from the heavens, and the dead shall be raised to walk again." I don't know whether that would discourage a far future culture, encourage them to bring their sick and dying to the site, or just cause them to laugh at our superstitious ways.
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 It's very important that races, like everything else, be understood using wuxing. Also, I really liked the scientist's idea as to how to hide the waste: bury it deep enough that it would require advanced excavation equipment and plaster it with images of atomic decay. That was incorporated into the plan but the more important part is to speak to everyone in Klingon.
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Mikl posted:This is actually a serious problem regarding the disposal of nuclear waste. I love how cottage industries develop over the least relevant problems.
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I'm glad we're agonizing over all our hazardous waste to the same degree we wring our hands about nuclear waste. Totally scientific, not at all political. Keep dumping poo poo in the water table and making the oceans barren, but ohhhh god what if a primitive civilization with advanced mining techniques gets into ancient barely radioactive waste in 5000 years and thinks the radioactive symbol means "delicious candy"? What if they try to eat it?? No, this is a serious serious issue we need to worry about.
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Baronjutter posted:I'm glad we're agonizing over all our hazardous waste to the same degree we wring our hands about nuclear waste. Totally scientific, not at all political. Keep dumping poo poo in the water table and making the oceans barren, but ohhhh god what if a primitive civilization with advanced mining techniques gets into ancient barely radioactive waste in 5000 years and thinks the radioactive symbol means "delicious candy"? What if they try to eat it?? No, this is a serious serious issue we need to worry about. The poo poo they are trying to bury for 10,000 years is going to be the kind of radioactive that can kill whole communities when people get hold of it and notice that the magic beads stay warm and get warmer when you pile them up. Look at what happens when people mistakenly steal trucks containing radioactive compounds for medical use: people play with the poo poo and die horrible deaths because the harm is not immediately obvious. So, yeah, there's a bit of a humanitarian effort to figure out what to do with this stuff; it will be around longer than we know how nasty it is.
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DrBouvenstein posted:I love seeing pictures, diagrams, and such of how such a facility might look: I always thought the metal spike idea was a terribly stupid idea, because anybody who comes across it without knowing what it is is just going to say "oooh, free high quality metal. I'm going to steal that."
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PittTheElder posted:I always thought the metal spike idea was a terribly stupid idea, because anybody who comes across it without knowing what it is is just going to say "oooh, free high quality metal. I'm going to steal that." Surely you're going to make it all rusty and poo poo though, to drive home how bad a place it is.
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Just throw a bunch of bones all over the place and call it a day Or better yet a giant skull pyramid
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EightBit posted:The poo poo they are trying to bury for 10,000 years is going to be the kind of radioactive that can kill whole communities when people get hold of it and notice that the magic beads stay warm and get warmer when you pile them up. Look at what happens when people mistakenly steal trucks containing radioactive compounds for medical use: people play with the poo poo and die horrible deaths because the harm is not immediately obvious. So, yeah, there's a bit of a humanitarian effort to figure out what to do with this stuff; it will be around longer than we know how nasty it is. Actually the poo poo that keeps you warm as a lower half-life and is a lot more dangerous than what most of what will be buried.
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EightBit posted:The poo poo they are trying to bury for 10,000 years is going to be the kind of radioactive that can kill whole communities when people get hold of it and notice that the magic beads stay warm and get warmer when you pile them up. Look at what happens when people mistakenly steal trucks containing radioactive compounds for medical use: people play with the poo poo and die horrible deaths because the harm is not immediately obvious. So, yeah, there's a bit of a humanitarian effort to figure out what to do with this stuff; it will be around longer than we know how nasty it is. Before you know it people start getting sick and turn on the stoic iceman who wandered into town days before with a case of amnesia and a container with strange rocks inside.
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