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SeaTard posted:Roman is treated no differently than any other culture, so you just have to wait for the events that convert the county culture. The thing is, I heard that for a county to convert there would have to be a county of that culture bordering it, and since there are no Roman counties?
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Sistergodiva posted:The thing is, I heard that for a county to convert there would have to be a county of that culture bordering it, and since there are no Roman counties? That's one of the events for it, yeah. The other is an event (with the same MTTH as the normal one) where you "bring some boys from home" which automagically changes one of your province's (or maybe just your capital? can't remember, not sure) to your culture AND religion. That's the only way islands can change culture.
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Can any of you mod people help me with fixing the Mythos mod? I downloaded it and it seems there's a problem with the gods, in that since they are so old, they constantly get the infirm and incapable events, ending up with a pantheon of comatose gods. It's lovecraftian and all, but I'd rather have them active. Would I just create an exemption for people with the "god" trait in the infirm and incapable events? How do I do that? edit: vvvvv thanks TaurusTorus fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Mar 20, 2014 |
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Mar 20, 2014 20:50
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TaurusTorus posted:Can any of you mod people help me with fixing the Mythos mod? I downloaded it and it seems there's a problem with the gods, in that since they are so old, they constantly get the infirm and incapable events, ending up with a pantheon of comatose gods. It's lovecraftian and all, but I'd rather have them active. Would I just create an exemption for people with the "god" trait in the infirm and incapable events? How do I do that? Stick this in there, over the effect={ code:
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Ulvino posted:I'm planning to finish my Ironman Zirid Granada game before RoI releases, but after a long hiatus after usurping the Sultanate of Andalusia I need some extra motivation.  As for motivation, I dunno, maybe try and make a merchant republic and see how ridiculous Muslim Merchant republics are? I'm not sure if you can do that in ironman though.
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Mar 20, 2014 21:28
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Eimi posted:As for motivation, I dunno, maybe try and make a merchant republic and see how ridiculous Muslim Merchant republics are? I'm not sure if you can do that in ironman though. I don't think there's any way to transition between forms of government in Ironman, but there's no reason why you couldn't create a vassal muslim merchant republic. I've done it before. You know, instead of having a dedicated theocracies DLC, it could be more interesting to have a DLC pack focused on the forms of government. Ideally, you'd also get playable land republics (maybe just use merchant republics as a base, then some stuff to account for lack of trade posts), and playable holy orders (shouldn't function any different from a playable theocracy); and a legitimate way to transition between government types.
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DStecks posted:I don't think there's any way to transition between forms of government in Ironman, but there's no reason why you couldn't create a vassal muslim merchant republic. I've done it before. I really want a way to do that, like being able to become a republic when I'm down on my luck and only have a county left.
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Mar 20, 2014 21:38
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So my character had a claim on another kingdom pressed on his behalf, they won it, and then I won an invasion and formed an empire about eight years into the reign of that kingdom. Now it's been ten years, and I can't switch the kingdom that I was given out of Gavelkind. This makes things a little complicated since I'm getting pretty old and have eleven children. Do I need to wait until I've had the top level title for ten years to switch the laws? There are three different kingdom titles in there, and since one of them is on gavelkind every title is getting passed to a different son.
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Mar 20, 2014 21:43
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Sistergodiva posted:I really want a way to do that, like being able to become a republic when I'm down on my luck and only have a county left. By transition legitimately, I meant "people in republics don't lose feudal claims". A ruler transitioning governments during their lifetime is absolutely ahistorical, to an unjustifiable degree. And even then, there would need to be checks on it. If Venice just permanently inherited France out of the blue, that would be pants-shittingly overpowered; because of all the extra retinues that it would be entitled to.
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Eimi posted:
Thank you kind sir! Actually I just played a few years and I think I recovered the "feel" of the game. 
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Mar 20, 2014 21:58
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Ulvino posted:Thank you kind sir! Actually I just played a few years and I think I recovered the "feel" of the game. Yeah I actually find playing as Muslims really fun, I just love all of their flavour events etc. Soon as Rajahs comes out I'll get started spreading the word.
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Mar 20, 2014 22:02
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After a few games as various Indian rulers and the absolutely necessary Norse conquest of India, I will lead the Umayyads to conquer the whole Muslim world plus India, creating the most advanced civilization the Earth has ever seen and leaving the barbarian Europeans to their petty struggles! 
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Torrannor posted:After a few games as various Indian rulers and the absolutely necessary Norse conquest of India, I will lead the Umayyads to conquer the whole Muslim world plus India, creating the most advanced civilization the Earth has ever seen and leaving the barbarian Europeans to their petty struggles! When you convert to EUIV you'll still inexplicably be stuck in a lovely tech group and Europe will laugh as it outpaces you.
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Mar 20, 2014 22:08
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Last Emperor posted:Yeah I actually find playing as Muslims really fun, I just love all of their flavour events etc. I think I will finally play as a Muslim after Rajas, since the decadence rework looks quite good. I'm still mad that Muslims are stuck on agnatic open with no matrilineal marriages, but c'est la vie at this point.
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Mar 20, 2014 22:09
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Torrannor posted:Norse conquest of India Viking prows on the river Ganges.
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Mar 20, 2014 22:10
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nutranurse posted:When you convert to EUIV you'll still inexplicably be stuck in a lovely tech group and Europe will laugh as it outpaces you. I don't own any EU games, so there is no problem! I wonder what tech groups the Indian faiths will get since I think Buddhism has a tech bonus in CK2.
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Mar 20, 2014 22:10
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Torrannor posted:I don't own any EU games, so there is no problem! I wonder what tech groups the Indian faiths will get since I think Buddhism has a tech bonus in CK2. Well there's already an Indian tech group and it's even worse than the Muslim tech group! So probably still stuck with that. Really EU4's tech system is...well western biased to a fault but I also think it's ludicrously stupid. I'd be fine if it represented just a military disadvantage, but it makes everything you do worse and harder and slower and more boring.
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Mar 20, 2014 22:12
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Cantorsdust posted:Viking prows on the river Ganges. Indian dhows up the Danube. 
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Serious feature request: new messages put on the bottom, rather than the top, of the stack in the high/low priority message tabs. I can't think of any gameplay benefit provided by the current system that outweighs the drawback of the player accidentally closing new messages.
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Mar 20, 2014 22:12
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Torrannor posted:After a few games as various Indian rulers and the absolutely necessary Norse conquest of India, I will lead the Umayyads to conquer the whole Muslim world plus India, creating the most advanced civilization the Earth has ever seen and leaving the barbarian Europeans to their petty struggles! Yeah Indians are the hot new thing, but the first thing I'm gonna do come Tuesday is to reform a zoroastrian Persian empire that doesn't have straight eastern border.
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Mar 20, 2014 22:34
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DrSunshine posted:Indian dhows up the Danube. Impossible unless you play an Norse pagan Indian, or you mod the game. Sheep posted:Serious feature request: new messages put on the bottom, rather than the top, of the stack in the high/low priority message tabs. I can't think of any gameplay benefit provided by the current system that outweighs the drawback of the player accidentally closing new messages. This so much. I hate having to pause the game at regular intervals to close the messages, for fear of missing an important one.
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Vastakaiun posted:Yeah Indians are the hot new thing, but the first thing I'm gonna do come Tuesday is to reform a zoroastrian Persian empire that doesn't have straight eastern border. I'm really looking forward to this as well, it's probably going to be my second game after one as a Malayali king/duke/whatever.
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DStecks posted:I don't think there's any way to transition between forms of government in Ironman, but there's no reason why you couldn't create a vassal muslim merchant republic. I've done it before. You could also switch religion, right?
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Eimi posted:Well there's already an Indian tech group and it's even worse than the Muslim tech group! So probably still stuck with that. Really EU4's tech system is...well western biased to a fault but I also think it's ludicrously stupid. I'd be fine if it represented just a military disadvantage, but it makes everything you do worse and harder and slower and more boring. It bothers me that they ignore the fact that in many ways the non "western" groups were more advanced, just not necessarily in warfare
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Greenllama posted:It bothers me that they ignore the fact that in many ways the non "western" groups were more advanced, just not necessarily in warfare That's why I tend to just play CK2. It allows things to be different without being 'worse' or 'better'.
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DStecks posted:I don't think there's any way to transition between forms of government in Ironman, but there's no reason why you couldn't create a vassal muslim merchant republic. I've done it before. The only way I've been able to switch to a Republic was via Tanistry. But it was kind of flaky for a bit, and then suddenly I had 10 Patricians listed in the Republic screen, and I gave up. I created a Merchant Republic with an extremely good distant cousin, and voted for him. All my vassals liked me pretty well, so they all voted for him too. Once I died I swapped from being a regular King to being a Serene Doge. I wouldn't recommend trying it with Ironman though, because there is a good chance it'll just break entirely.
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First thing I'm doing once RoI is out is starting my Ironman Karen run through again now that the Persian empire will have accurate borders. I wonder how challenging its going to be as Karen now that you have more things to worry about from the east than mongols.
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How much of Central Asia are they adding? Will the mongols now pop up on the border of Xinjiang or something?
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:How much of Central Asia are they adding? Will the mongols now pop up on the border of Xinjiang or something? First 20seconds shows the map quite nicely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBbq5VYjdI8 Edit: the mongols will pop up along the border of Tibet apparently. Thrasophius fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Mar 21, 2014 |
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:How much of Central Asia are they adding? Will the mongols now pop up on the border of Xinjiang or something? They've added the Tibetan region but it's just wasteland. They didn't want to add Tibet because then they would've had to add China as well.
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Torrannor posted:I don't own any EU games, so there is no problem! I wonder what tech groups the Indian faiths will get since I think Buddhism has a tech bonus in CK2. I asked in the patch notes thread on the Paradox forums, and the factors that determine tech levels in CK II->EU IV conversions are still high tech levels in CK II + ownership of key provinces (which happen to all be in Europe, but are apparently moddable)
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monster on a stick posted:
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Charlz Guybon posted:I'm fine with that for foreign kings, but de jure kingdoms of an empire shouldn't get that. How many historical empires had vassal kings?
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Knuc U Kinte posted:How many historical empires had vassal kings?
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Knuc U Kinte posted:How many historical empires had vassal kings? The King of Bohemia, vassal of the Holy Roman Empire, would probably be the most apt example, and that's historically about as de jure as you can get. Other "kingdoms" acknowledged the HRE as suzerain at various times throughout the middle ages - Barbarossa made Poland swear vassalage and (very briefly) acknowledged a subordinate King of Sardinia, and Richard I formally acknowledged England as a vassal of the Holy Roman Empire later that century. Of course, those were really more ceremonial or tribute relationships than real, permanent vassals in the sense that CK2 means. Bohemia absolutely qualifies, though. Various Balkan rulers might count for the Byzantine Empire depending on who qualifies as a "king."
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EightDeer posted:The Holy Roman Emperor had the King of Bohemia as a vassal. That doesn't count at all and you know it.
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Knuc U Kinte posted:That doesn't count at all and you know it. Oh? Why not?
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The Ottomans had a lot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vassal_and_tributary_states_of_the_Ottoman_Empire
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Torrannor posted:Oh? Why not? The HRE wasn't a real empire.
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Knuc U Kinte posted:The HRE wasn't a real empire.  How do you define a "real" empire?
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