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Noctis Horrendae posted:They'd make a lot more money off of an AAA high budget game than they'd make off of Plants vs. Zombies 40k edition - which is an actual thing, though the name escapes me - but GW's business department isn't known for their brains. Maybe gross but not net and the risk is way higher. Inquisitor Mass Effect would be the greatest game ever made. It would cost tons of money though and who knows how much it would appeal to people who are giant hams.
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euphronius posted:Maybe gross but not net and the risk is way higher. Yeah I imagine they can negotiate a far higher cut from some noname mobile devs than a aaa developer investing a ton more money, so the little crap games might actually make more money for gw short of gw becoming their own publisher, which requires a lot of capital and is super risky these days comsidering the state of the industry.
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Cream_Filling posted:Yeah I imagine they can negotiate a far higher cut from some noname mobile devs than a aaa developer investing a ton more money, so the little crap games might actually make more money for gw short of gw becoming their own publisher, which requires a lot of capital and is super risky these days comsidering the state of the industry. It's really too bad THQ died and Relic got sold to Sega. They were doing a decent job. Personally I would love to see Specialist Games, now that they're discontinued, being turned into actual PC titles as exact 1:1 reproductions. I'm considering doing BFG myself. 
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euphronius posted:Inquisitor Mass Effect would be the greatest game ever made. It would cost tons of money though and who knows how much it would appeal to people who are giant hams. FrozenDorf posted:It's really too bad THQ died and Relic got sold to Sega. They were doing a decent job. Dunno, people played space fantasy rpgs like Mass Effect which was based on no pre-existing IP at all. Put enough money into marketing it and it would work. The same goes for those Star Wars old republic RPGs with absolutely nothing fromt eh actual movies except lightsabers, though obviously they still had the Star Wars brand which is about a million times more famous than 40k. But yeah it's really too bad about Relic because they seemed to really 'get' 40k and I enjoyed all of their games. If Space Marine 2 had been made and was successful, and all the business stuff had come together, you might have even seen an Inquisitor game from them on that engine, since they don't really seem to care about switching genres. I didn't like the Space Hulk PC game much even though it was a pretty faithful rendition of the board game just because it felt shoddy and the overall presentation was pretty meh. Maybe we'll get lucky with the upcoming Epic 40k game but who knows. Would love a BFG game, though. Honestly, GW should consider a policy of buying out or licensing good fan projects, as companies like Valve do, though I suppose the legal setup for taking fan projects commercial can get horribly overcomplicated depending on how many contributors there are, initial license terms, etc. Who knows, maybe they are doing small projects to work on building up a independent games producer/publisher arm of their business, since I don't actually know the business details of the new mobile games they're doing. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Mar 20, 2014 |
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Mar 20, 2014 15:34
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Cream_Filling posted:But yeah it's really too bad about Relic because they seemed to really 'get' 40k and I enjoyed all of their games. If Space Marine 2 had been made and was successful, and all the business stuff had come together, you might have even seen an Inquisitor game from them on that engine, since they don't really seem to care about switching genres. Yeah, event though Relic made some questionable design choices, their 40k games were pretty interesting and they did get the fluff and the atmosphere of the setting. Space Marine 2, with multiplayer based on people's dedicated servers and moddable enough would have been a blast to play. Pity it will never come to pass. And BFG it's pretty much the perfect example of a brand with lots of potential for pc games that right now it's not generating money for GW due to it being discontinued on tabletop. With games like Nexus: Jupiter Incident, Homeworld, or even Sins of a Solar Empire, it isn't hard to imagine how a BFG game would do. Also, Chaos Gate, bring it back (in a playable version) you loving GW 
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Of the following which, if any, are good Malodrax Architect of Fate Death of Integrity Death of Antagonis DeathWatch (i think this is good?) BaneBlade Salamanders Omnibus Path of The Eldar Im in a bookstore, curious if i should pick any up
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ME had the Bioware name with it though. I mean if Bioware had wanted to make Inquistior Effect I am sure GW would have been all over that.
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Waroduce posted:Of the following which, if any, are good You've probably already left but I've read or skimmed some of these and I'd say Deathwatch is probably the only one of those worth getting. Maybe the Salamanders omnibus too. I enjoyed the Salamanders books, but I think that's a rare opinion with this threads' hate on Nick Kyme. I like most 40k books so...
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Waroduce posted:Of the following which, if any, are good Architect of Fate has a John French novella in it, and Deathwatch is serviceable but not particularly good.
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Waroduce posted:Of the following which, if any, are good Personally, I would not pay full price for any of those books. Deathwatch and Architect of Fate are the best of the lot, however, though they're merely alright and not stuff I'd actively recommend.
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Mar 20, 2014 17:51
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When I was at the bookstore recently to grab Betrayer I considered getting BaneBlade since the summery on the back kind of made it seem like an interesting concept. Sucks to see that it's probably not worth the paper it's printed on.
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Baneblade is alright. It isn't anything earth-shattering, but it's certainly readable. The beginning is particularly cool - it documents how much ceremony the Mechanicus puts into creating a weapon. Plus, it features an Ork Weirdboy in a Gargant messing poo poo up.
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Mar 20, 2014 18:05
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berzerkmonkey posted:Baneblade is alright. It isn't anything earth-shattering, but it's certainly readable. The beginning is particularly cool - it documents how much ceremony the Mechanicus puts into creating a weapon. Plus, it features an Ork Weirdboy in a Gargant messing poo poo up. Kinda wish i got this now. Maybe this weekend.
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AndyElusive posted:When I was at the bookstore recently to grab Betrayer I considered getting BaneBlade since the summery on the back kind of made it seem like an interesting concept. It's not awful, just sort of short and arguably not worth its really high hardcover price. Not sure if they released a cheaper version.
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Mar 20, 2014 19:56
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Cream_Filling posted:It's not awful, just sort of short and arguably not worth its really high hardcover price. Not sure if they released a cheaper version. The copy i saw was paperback for like 11$ i think, probably still not totally worth it. I wish theyd release some good books. Everything has been on the horizon for like six months
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Yeah, $11 is a bit much - but I probably wouldn't pay that much for one of ADB's books either. Hell, I still think $7.99 paperbacks are too steep, never mind this $14 bullshit that BL has started with... I'd either try used on Amazon or break down and buy an e-reader and pay $7.99 for the e-books. Still a ripoff, but less of one. gently caress you BL for raising the price of your paperbacks to justify charging $7.99 for an e-book version instead of just lowering the e-book cost a couple bucks.
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Mar 20, 2014 20:07
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euphronius posted:Maybe gross but not net and the risk is way higher. That's true. If you consider the cost of the advertising to actually get sales from non-hams fans, it'd add up pretty drat fast. Then again, Space Marine had relatively minimal marketing and a fair bit of sales, no? I don't remember the exact numbers.
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I finished Helsreach last night, and it was pretty good. I personally think Necropolis is a much more engaging and interesting last stand type of novel. I really want a bunch of short stories about the crusade before the HH, that detail all the werid poo poo i imagine the imperium of man has come across.
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UberJumper posted:I finished Helsreach last night, and it was pretty good. I personally think Necropolis is a much more engaging and interesting last stand type of novel. GW has so much freedom to explore the Crusade and all the awful alien races that the Imperium encountered because literally the only info we have on it is filler text and the first few HH books. It's ridiculous that we don't have more info on it - maybe they'll work on that after the HH book series and Forge World line? Here's hoping.
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Here's the thing: All of the books are written from the viewpoint of a xenophobic species that views anything out of the ordinary as heretical. Why document anything that not only disgusts you, but could mark you as heretical just because you wrote it down? At absolute best, you'll get something like Xenology, but you're certainly not going to get a novel or anything.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Here's the thing: All of the books are written from the viewpoint of a xenophobic species that views anything out of the ordinary as heretical. Why document anything that not only disgusts you, but could mark you as heretical just because you wrote it down? Just because they're written from a particular viewpoint doesnt mean they actually exist as documents within the universe. Also, obviously the disgusting nature of the things you struggle against serves to underscore your own righteousness and purity. The same reason most histories written by the victors exhaustively catalog just how loathsome and barbaric every conquered nation is, with usually just enough respect for their fighting ability to make the eventual victory look that much greater as an achievement.
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UberJumper posted:I finished Helsreach last night, and it was pretty good. I personally think Necropolis is a much more engaging and interesting last stand type of novel. Helsreach is the weakest ADB book -- he's still learning his craft with that one and the characters are thin and the plot is pretty by-the-numbers as a result. It doesn't compare well with peak ADB stuff like Nightlords trilogy and The Emperor's Gift.
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I quite liked Baneblade, for what it's worth; the tank setting was a bit different to most Guard war stories, and the resolution to the B-plot was very, very 40k. All through the book the protagonist is worried that his life is ruined and he'll be in serious trouble because he ran away to join the Guard after killing someone in an illegal duel. At the end his secret is revealed, and his superior officer just tells him to man the gently caress up and accept he's probably serving alongside people who have done worse. What was far better though was Know No Fear, it was so overblown and fun and made me want to go out and start painting Ultramarines. Guilliman was a total badass, there were quality putdowns and one-liners, and Space Marines actually seemed like over the top heroes. I should read Betrayer next, right? I did read Battle for the Abyss too to see how bad it was and was astounded at how it constantly outdid itself. Especially when the Thousand Son uses psychic powers to kill the demons, then when challenged just says he blew up a fuel line in the most unconvincing excuse ever.
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UncleSmoothie posted:Helsreach is the weakest ADB book -- he's still learning his craft with that one and the characters are thin and the plot is pretty by-the-numbers as a result. It doesn't compare well with peak ADB stuff like Nightlords trilogy and The Emperor's Gift. Nah, I'd say Cadian Blood is his weakest. It's still miles ahead of any other non-Abnett Imperial Guard stuff though. ADB has yet to really disappoint me.
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Bob Smith posted:I quite liked Baneblade, for what it's worth; the tank setting was a bit different to most Guard war stories, and the resolution to the B-plot was very, very 40k. Speaking of great Baneblade-related fiction, The Angel of Fire and the Fist of Demetrius are some of the best 40k books I've ever read (though I haven't read many, only lore). They're especially stunning considering that they're William King's first full-length 40k novels. He certainly knew what he was doing for a first attempt.
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The Rat posted:ADB has yet to really disappoint me. Oh yeah, same here. Picking a weakest ADB book is like choosing the ugliest supermodel.
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Noctis Horrendae posted:Speaking of great Baneblade-related fiction, The Angel of Fire and the Fist of Demetrius are some of the best 40k books I've ever read (though I haven't read many, only lore). They're especially stunning considering that they're William King's first full-length 40k novels. He certainly knew what he was doing for a first attempt. King is actually one of BL's oldest writers and has been writing books for them since '99, most notably the early Space Wolf books (the series was taken over by another author after the first 3-4 I think). Unless those books were written in the 90s and only published now. I don't know the whole story about them. Personally, I didn't much like them. I was expecting Macharius to be like some mix between Arthur from the Warlord Chronicles and Alexander the Great from the emoirs but instead it's just this piddly small scale stuff where he runs around like an inquisitor instead of a Warmaster.
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Cream_Filling posted:King is actually one of BL's oldest writers and has been writing books for them since '99, most notably the early Space Wolf books (the series was taken over by another author after the first 3-4 I think). I used Wikipedia as my source for that because I remembered something along those lines. Guess Wikipedia was wrong. Whatever, it was his first something, I remember that much. It was great IMHO, but I agree, it was rather small scale and I would have liked to see more of Macharius as opposed to the narrator.
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Noctis Horrendae posted:GW has so much freedom to explore the Crusade and all the awful alien races that the Imperium encountered because literally the only info we have on it is filler text and the first few HH books. It's ridiculous that we don't have more info on it - maybe they'll work on that after the HH book series and Forge World line? Here's hoping. They can't sell a 40k army around them so I doubt it. Never forget, the point of all this is to sell little plastic game models. From a straight storytelling POV we should have gotten more of the Imperium before Horus turned so we could appreciate the loss, but the point is to sell the game and hams would complain about "when do we get to the Heresy?!" for those first few books UncleSmoothie posted:Helsreach is the weakest ADB book -- he's still learning his craft with that one and the characters are thin and the plot is pretty by-the-numbers as a result. It doesn't compare well with peak ADB stuff like Nightlords trilogy and The Emperor's Gift. Eh, Cadian Blood is notably weaker in my mind. Not bad, but it is standard franchise fiction. Helsreach he moves above the cut and in his later books he kicks it into overdrive
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Fried Chicken posted:They can't sell a 40k army around them so I doubt it. Never forget, the point of all this is to sell little plastic game models. Well, once the Horus Heresy series is over and done with (years down the line, obviously) they could come out with a Great Crusade line of models just like they did with 30k. Hell, they could just release some new rulebooks and restrict people to using MK I. - III armour with some new lore and the likes tacked on. Wishful thinking, probably, but it'd be pretty neat.
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I am half way through Lord of the Night, and the book oozes tension, and atmosphere the book really feels like it was written for an older audience than the majority of the BL books. How does this book tie into Night Lords Trilogy?
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UberJumper posted:I am half way through Lord of the Night, and the book oozes tension, and atmosphere the book really feels like it was written for an older audience than the majority of the BL books. Only in small bits really; the Night Lords in the trilogy have a very different opinion of Sahaal than he does himself. It is a nice call back to Lord of the Night, but they are not really connected beyond that.
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Noctis Horrendae posted:What's the currency of the Imperium?I've seen krons, Throne gelts, Aquilas, and even plain old credits. What's the most official/canonical answer? That's what I'm getting at. Human lives I am pretty sure most worlds/sub-sectors have their own local currency. In Ravenor they just use the local currency and don't give it a name, but in Gaunts Ghosts they called it the Aquila i think (Cuu stealing money book)? However in Horus Rising, when the poet gets drunk at the bar i believe he paid them in Aquilas and even makes a point to educate the lady that they need to use imperial money and not their local currency. quote:.... Imperial currency is legal tender now, to replace your local coin.... UberJumper fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Mar 24, 2014 |
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Noctis Horrendae posted:What's the currency of the Imperium?I've seen krons, Throne gelts, Aquilas, and even plain old credits. What's the most official/canonical answer? That's what I'm getting at. In the RPGs like Rogue Trader it is something called "thrones"
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UberJumper posted:Human lives
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ADB just tweeted someone that November is the release date for Talon, not just the nonBL release date. poo poo
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Does anyone have some fluff regarding the Imperial Knights? What are they, who do they fight for, etc? I've been browsing around but the Lexicanum seems to just have some short blurbs about them.
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Fried Chicken posted:ADB just tweeted someone that November is the release date for Talon, not just the nonBL release date. I can't wait that long for more ADB. 
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Deofuta posted:Does anyone have some fluff regarding the Imperial Knights? What are they, who do they fight for, etc? Have you checked the 40k wikia entry? Seems pretty comprehensive. http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Knight
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