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omgomgomg posted:Did Lawler ever mention that he was Grand Master Sexy's father? Or billy gunn mention dolph ziggler? One of these is not like the other.
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sticklefifer posted:Sometimes even two great workers stink up the ring, and ones you thought sucked just happened to click with a particular opponent. What two wrestlers have ended up having great ring chemistry that you didn't expect, or that you expected to have great chemistry but didn't? I think Jericho/Punk is a standout example of expecting amazing ring chemistry, and being a disappointment overall. None of their matches were bad, but something just didn't seen to click between them.
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jscolon2.0 posted:One of these is not like the other. i'ts a joek
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Memento posted:They pulled off so much cool poo poo after RAW went off the air back in the day. I'd take watching this segment live over any number of "send the fans home happy" babyface win dark match. There's going to be a DVD next month full of exactly that, including a whole disc devoted to Stone Cold's stuff.
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Lawler being Sexay's father was part of the Cole/Lawler feud. Watching a fat bleach-blonde Brian Lawler come down the ramp to his old music and doing the entire Grandmaster Sexay routine to no crowd reaction was hilarious/pathetic.
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Mar 21, 2014 14:52
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Is there any reason why the Ax Kick seems to be the Universal Black Person Finisher in WWE? Booker T, R-Truth, Alicia Fox... even Ahmed Johnson did it, though not as a finisher.
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bradzilla posted:I think Jericho/Punk is a standout example of expecting amazing ring chemistry, and being a disappointment overall. None of their matches were bad, but something just didn't seen to click between them. Yeah totally. I remember being so hyped for Jericho vs Punk. Even outside the ring, you'd figure two of the best promo guys of our generation would have some memorable stuff, but I can't really remember much of anything of their feud.
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Mar 21, 2014 15:49
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The most memorable part of the Jericho/Punk feud for me was Jericho slipping and falling on his rear end outside the ring on the beer he poured on Punk.
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oldpainless posted:The most memorable part of the Jericho/Punk feud for me was Jericho slipping and falling on his rear end outside the ring on the beer he poured on Punk. I really liked when Jericho went to smash Punk in the head with a whiskey bottle and it shattered in his hand before making contact with Punk's head.
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Mar 21, 2014 15:58
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triplexpac posted:Yeah totally. I remember being so hyped for Jericho vs Punk. Even outside the ring, you'd figure two of the best promo guys of our generation would have some memorable stuff, but I can't really remember much of anything of their feud. Because it was a rehash of like three different Raven feuds, including one with CM Punk. They tried way too hard to make it personal and I never really bought that Punk cared about anything Jericho was saying.
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Minidust posted:Is there any reason why the Ax Kick seems to be the Universal Black Person Finisher in WWE? Booker T, R-Truth, Alicia Fox... even Ahmed Johnson did it, though not as a finisher. They just want to axe you a question.
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oatgan posted:Because it was a rehash of like three different Raven feuds, including one with CM Punk. Yeah, Jericho saying Punk was a drunk and he'd prove it just came off as silly to me. I wasn't going to believe Punk was a secret drunk, and I didn't believe Jericho ever got in Punk's head. Probably more the fault of Punk's acting but the match didn't click either so I don't know.
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One combination that never really clicked was Shawn Michaels and Curt Hennig. The hype for their match at SummerSlam 93 was "This will be the match of the year" and it was just ok.
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Batista posted:Yeah, Jericho saying Punk was a drunk and he'd prove it just came off as silly to me. I wasn't going to believe Punk was a secret drunk, and I didn't believe Jericho ever got in Punk's head. Probably more the fault of Punk's acting but the match didn't click either so I don't know. There was also that terrible "You're a bastard!  " promo that Jericho did. Ugh.Jericho and Edge also had a surprisingly mediocre WrestleMania match at ... 26, I want to say.
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Mar 21, 2014 17:27
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Hennig's back was destroyed by then, I think. He had already retired once for it Also Jericho has a knack for underwhelming expectations. He's one of my favorites, but he's really not as good as his reputation suggests.
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Mar 21, 2014 17:29
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Punk pretending to fail the sobriety test was the high point of the entire Jericho/Punk feud. And yeah, Jericho/Edge at WM26 was a pretty big disappointment.
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Mar 21, 2014 17:30
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Most of the Austin/Undertaker matches are kind of disappointing, probably because of a combination of their styles not meshing well and both of them being pretty banged up in 1998-99.
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TL posted:One combination that never really clicked was Shawn Michaels and Curt Hennig. The hype for their match at SummerSlam 93 was "This will be the match of the year" and it was just ok. They actually had a decent match in 1991 or so when Shawn was still a Rocker. I think the face/heel dynamic was off for the 1993 feud. I saw a Punk/Jericho match at a house show in 2009 or so. Both were heels on tv, but Jericho worked face as this show was in Canada. This was way better than any other matches they had on TV in the subsequent years.
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with jericho/punk they made the mistake of giving two guys who have the mic skills to just go out there and play off each-other and build a feud with little help from the writers, a very specific storyline that not only constricted them but came off as over-dramatic and phony.
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Minidust posted:Is there any reason why the Ax Kick seems to be the Universal Black Person Finisher in WWE? Booker T, R-Truth, Alicia Fox... even Ahmed Johnson did it, though not as a finisher. I was gonna mention Bull Buchanan, but then I remembered the B² thing..
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Minidust posted:Is there any reason why the Ax Kick seems to be the Universal Black Person Finisher in WWE? Booker T, R-Truth, Alicia Fox... even Ahmed Johnson did it, though not as a finisher. Well you see, white people kick like this, where black people kick like this
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Mar 21, 2014 19:07
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oatgan posted:They tried way too hard to make it personal and I never really bought that Punk cared about anything Jericho was saying. Probably because, by Punk's own admission, he doesn't give much of a poo poo about his parents.
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My favorite part of the Jericho/Punk feud was the adorable "subtle" head scratch Jericho gave Punk after he beat him at WM. Like he was saying "You're alright, kid".
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Nut Bunnies posted:Also Jericho has a knack for underwhelming expectations. He's one of my favorites, but he's really not as good as his reputation suggests. I'll defend to the death that Jericho's rep is well earned for everything he did through the 90s and early 2000s. But then about a decade ago he decided he was a rock star, kept coming and going from wrestling, and I think he's been underwhelming ever since. I think he just lost his investment in the business and it shines through. Super Ninja Fish posted:Along with every crusierweight that wasn't a jobber. Completely clean each time too, even as a heel.
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Nut Bunnies posted:Hennig's back was destroyed by then, I think. He had already retired once for it From 99-2005 and in 2008 he was one of the best in North America, maybe never top 3, but very close until 2008 when he was pretty much the best in WWE and really only behind Bryan and Nigel in North America. People overrate him in the ring in the 90s a bit, and when he came back a few years ago he wasn't at that level anymore, but he's in his 40s. He's merely really good instead of great. He kind of lost direction with his promos and character after that 2008 run, but he was fun as a babyface last year.
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sticklefifer posted:I've also been surprised that Erick Rowan of all people somehow works really well with Rey Mysterio, despite looking clumsy with nearly everyone else. Edge: Some nights I worked with Rey Mysterio, so you know... I basically had the night off. Rey Mysterio is really, really, really, really, really good at wrestling 
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Jerusalem posted:Edge: Some nights I worked with Rey Mysterio, so you know... I basically had the night off. Edge is a big dude, but in WWE he never got to really look like a big bully so it had to be fun for him to wrestle Rey and basically be a giant. I remember HBK looking thrilled in the ring when he got to be the big man for a change against Rey.
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MassRafTer posted:Edge is a big dude, but in WWE he never got to really look like a big bully so it had to be fun for him to wrestle Rey and basically be a giant. I remember HBK looking thrilled in the ring when he got to be the big man for a change against Rey. There's also the fact that, regardless of size difference, you know Rey will do everything he can to make you look like a million bucks. I've NEVER heard of Rey sandbagging somebody (not that he could) or half-assing it (which he'd be totally justified in doing), and I don't expect I ever will.
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MassRafTer posted:Edge is a big dude, but in WWE he never got to really look like a big bully so it had to be fun for him to wrestle Rey and basically be a giant. I remember HBK looking thrilled in the ring when he got to be the big man for a change against Rey. Yeah, Shawn even got to do the 'big guy shoves pipsqueak across the ring from a lock-up' spot, right?
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Mar 22, 2014 01:43
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Was Sandman's gimmick just Heyman telling him to be himself?
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I think it was Tod Gordon, but yeah.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Was Sandman's gimmick just Heyman telling him to be himself? his inital gimmick was a surf bum. after he hit the world title picture and was screwed out of it he became the sandman we know
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AkumaHokoru posted:his inital gimmick was a surf bum. after he hit the world title picture and was screwed out of it he became the sandman we know You are forgetting his period as a pimp.
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Or when he was a robot that drank beer and burped fire.
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MassRafTer posted:You are forgetting his period as a pimp. right he pimped out woman then she became his manager
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What skills are required to be a good jobber? The kind of guy who can make anyone look like a monster while they beat on them? To follow that up, who would be considered some of the best Jobbers? Are there any that really stand out and are there videos of them doing it?
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Stallion Cabana posted:What skills are required to be a good jobber? The kind of guy who can make anyone look like a monster while they beat on them? Selling As far as best jobbers, Brad Armstrong springs to mind.
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Good jobbers tend to be adequate-to-good, save workers who can sell and bump like crazy when needed. Heath Slater is a very good jobber, as exhibited by one of a hundred gifs and his series of matches vs. old wrestlers in the build up to RAW 1000.
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Dolph Ziggler is the greatest jobber or in this case I would prefer "enhancement talent" of this generation. Makes everyone look like a billion bucks.
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