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I'll just ask this here since why not - where is the reimbursement value for the Burst found? It's not on the spreadsheet linked in confluence as far as I could find. Everyone in the reimbursement thread keeps saying value X but I'm not sure where they got that. Not looking for the precise value in case of opsec or whatever just wondering what I am missing and where to find it. Thanks!
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Mar 21, 2014 20:59
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Huge_Midget posted:My Please god no, some of the best fun I've had in fweddit has been fighting BNI
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Mar 21, 2014 20:59
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Best Friends posted:I'll just ask this here since why not - where is the reimbursement value for the Burst found? It's not on the spreadsheet linked in confluence as far as I could find. Everyone in the reimbursement thread keeps saying value X but I'm not sure where they got that. Not looking for the precise value in case of opsec or whatever just wondering what I am missing and where to find it. Thanks! It's hidden in the doctrine thread in the war room: quote:The vigil, burst, and bantam fit above is eligible for 10mil in reimbursement on strat fleets! Must be broadcast! Applicable to EG/Freedom fleets as well. If you lost it doing non-harpyfleet things then you're out of luck, there is no peacetime reimbursement for T1 frigates.
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Mar 21, 2014 21:02
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Please don't blue the last people in the game who are fun to fight against.
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Mar 21, 2014 21:03
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If your un-reimbursed Burst is a serious hardship, you can probably just  about it and someone will drop cash on you for another ten. I think the fit is 7m or something, so its pocket change to most folks.
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Mar 21, 2014 21:05
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Margaret Thatcher posted:CFC numbers would absolutely crazy with Brave Newbies though. Goonswarm is currently the largest alliance with 12k members, BRAVE following just behind with 8k members. Probably bad. If anything it'd be a gigantic eternally peaceful place that no one dares poke, with the only way of killing it is for it to fall apart of it's own accord.
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Best Friends posted:I'll just ask this here since why not - where is the reimbursement value for the Burst found? It's not on the spreadsheet linked in confluence as far as I could find. Everyone in the reimbursement thread keeps saying value X but I'm not sure where they got that. Not looking for the precise value in case of opsec or whatever just wondering what I am missing and where to find it. Thanks! Last I checked, bursts are actually not reimbursable, however the skill reqs on a scythe are similar, they are reimbursable, and they work neatly with harpies. If you're tight for money you could alternate flying a scythe and a burst, using the reimbursement money from one to cover the other. If you're a newbie and straight up too broke to afford either post your in game name and I've no doubt you'll be looked after. Edit: I was wrong and they are reimbursable at 10, apparently. Thurin fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Mar 21, 2014 |
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Mar 21, 2014 21:10
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Thurin posted:Last I checked, bursts are actually not reimbursable, however the skill reqs on a scythe are similar, they are reimbursable, and they work neatly with harpies. If you're tight for money you could alternate flying a scythe and a burst, using the reimbursement money from one to cover the other. If you're a newbie and straight up too broke to afford either post your in game name and I've no doubt you'll be looked after. You shouldn't be bringing a scythe to a harpy fleet and bursts are in fact reimbursed under eligible circumstances. Stop spreading bad information please.
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Mar 21, 2014 21:11
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Vatek posted:You shouldn't be bringing a scythe to a harpy fleet and bursts are in fact reimbursed under eligible circumstances. Stop spreading bad information please. Actually, a respectable number of FC's do prefer scythes on harpy fleets. The rep strength is a big deal. It's scimitars that have no business being there.
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Mar 21, 2014 21:16
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Vatek posted:You shouldn't be bringing a scythe to a harpy fleet and bursts are in fact reimbursed under eligible circumstances. Stop spreading bad information please. To be completely fair, certain maverick FCs who are ahead of the game sometimes use Scythe logistics in Harpyfleets  (It's a squad thing and NOT a CFC wide thing)
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Mar 21, 2014 21:17
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Bursts are cool, especially for MWD compositions like talwars. MWD scythes are pretty elite when it comes to fitting skills in order to be on top of the fleet.
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Mar 21, 2014 21:18
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Vatek posted:You shouldn't be bringing a scythe to a harpy fleet and bursts are in fact reimbursed under eligible circumstances. Stop spreading bad information please. The last harpy fleet I was on (which was a while ago, admittedly, I think formup was in AF0) had a contingent of scythes which actually performed better against our opponents' interceptor-heavy fleets. The bursts are quite flimsy against an opponent who has no trouble tracking them, but they're definitely a super-fun ship with a newbie-friendly skillset.
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Mar 21, 2014 21:22
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Thurin posted:The last harpy fleet I was on (which was a while ago, admittedly, I think formup was in AF0) had a contingent of scythes which actually performed better against our opponents' interceptor-heavy fleets. The bursts are quite flimsy against an opponent who has no trouble tracking them, but they're definitely a super-fun ship with a newbie-friendly skillset. Bursts are cool and all but I'd really like a T2 Frigate Logi so that I could have some survivability.
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Mar 21, 2014 21:23
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If anyone was seriously talking about making BNI blue, please shut up. Forever. Even if they wanted it, no. It's already apparent their internal organization is thoroughly hosed, and cute newbies don't stay cute. Let them stay a horde of dudes who ship up cheaply, and actually undock to come fight.
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Mar 21, 2014 21:24
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hemophilia posted:If anyone was seriously talking about making BNI blue, please shut up. Forever. Even if they wanted it, no. It's already apparent their internal organization is thoroughly hosed, and cute newbies don't stay cute. Let them stay a horde of dudes who ship up cheaply, and actually undock to come fight. I don't think we're going to pay BNI to be their friends. We'll do that for Black Legion but we have standards. Only the classiest hookers for us.
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Mar 21, 2014 21:42
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wdarkk posted:Bursts are cool and all but I'd really like a T2 Frigate Logi so that I could have some survivability. If they did this it'd be really nice if they did something more interesting than just being a logi frigate with better resists though. They could: - Remotely repair heat-damaged modules - Get bonuses to remote sensor boosters and ECCM - Have enormous bonuses to structure repair modules - Provide a small resistance bonus to ships they repair - Come with an inherent bonus to energy vampires allowing them to run their reps at the expense of an engaged opponent. Something more than being a pocket-sized scimitar would be nice. After all we're going to be getting Tech 3 frigates eventually and if they're like Strategic Cruisers then they'll be able to perform the existing frigate roles to some degree of competence.
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So apparently this titan: https://zkillboard.com/detail/37672362/ Got blown up 5 minutes after Chribba handed him the keys. [2014.03.21 20:13:11] Chribba > cyno confirmed, sending ISK to ***
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Mar 21, 2014 21:46
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Vatek posted:It's hidden in the doctrine thread in the war room: Awesome, thanks! Ashcans posted:If your un-reimbursed Burst is a serious hardship, you can probably just I am space poor enough to care about 10 mil but been playing too long to be even remotely justifiably I am pretty bad. Having a great time deploying with Freedom Squad though!
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Hollow Talk posted:Both of your explanations of course make a lot of sense! I was essentially just wondering whether this is a feasible tactic for BNI in particular, since everything you can sell (relisted or not) has to be hauled in, since JF'ing things into system risks getting your freighter (and cargo) blown up, and since Sendaya doesn't have any manufacturing facilities. This means the relisting becomes a lot more disruptive because there is only so much that can be hauled in by using Blockade Runners etc. and that means the "natural" lower boundary will be significantly above Barleguet level because everything has hauling/shipping costs added on top of its actual buying or manufacturing price. Add to that the extra margins added through relisting, and you get a significantly more expensive market that also has a lower turnover rate since it is hamstrung by the speed of hauling, not by the speed of assembly lines etc. Since you have aptly demonstrated yourself to be a good poster, you will make me very happy if you can follow up with the to-do list below: a) Contact Alp Khan from GoonWaffe in game at the earliest opportunity b) Prepare for transition into J4LP (The alliance 'I Whip my Slaves back and forth') under either member corps 'FWEDDIT' or 'Dirt n Glitter' (I will make the arrangements) c) Continue posting at SA for the foreseeable future so that you are eligible for Goonwaffe line membership at the earliest opportunity As Uba Stij delicately stated, when you are a member of J4LP, you will pretty much have everything you can have as a member of GoonWaffe. (You can fly with CFC people, share their infrastructure for communication and jump bridges, and you will be blue to them) Welcome. almighty fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Mar 21, 2014 |
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/pol/ is currently trying to get the support togeather across 4chan to create their own Alliance to compete directly with TEST and Goons. Will be interesting to see how this turns out.
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Alexzandvar posted:/pol/ is currently trying to get the support togeather across 4chan to create there own Alliance to compete directly with TEST and Goons. Haven't they tried that before?
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Best Friends posted:Awesome, thanks! I am pretty space-poor (I dumped most of my cash into doctrine ships for Freedom, too) but I can still spare the cost of a burst. If you post your killmail I'll send you 10m for it, assuming you didn't lose it ratting or something insane. I would hope that some of the other Freedom members would lend you a hand even if you are an old hand down on your luck. 
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I'd like to do some ~honourable space combat~ at some point against the Harpyfleet - looks like a fun doctrine.
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Ashcans posted:I am pretty space-poor (I dumped most of my cash into doctrine ships for Freedom, too) but I can still spare the cost of a burst. If you post your killmail I'll send you 10m for it, assuming you didn't lose it ratting or something insane. Oh I can totally afford it, I'm fine, thanks though! And I lost it in strat ops. Or, "strat" ops. Either way though I'm good.
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pugnax posted:I'd like to do some ~honourable space combat~ at some point against the Harpyfleet - looks like a fun doctrine. If you roll into the Hemin area in something that isn't Ishtars there's a good chance you'll get Harpies in return. It's tremendous fun for all involved.
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vulvamancer posted:So apparently this titan: That happens when you have your exit cyno loitering around for a while, and then light the cyno with neutrals in local. This is why, if possible, you light at least two jumps at once -- that way, if poo poo goes sour, a travel-fit cap can jump again before their session change timer ends. (May not be valid for Ragnaroks, sadly, as their cap regen is really lovely.) And if you can't do that, then you set up a bookmark that's at the center of the system's sun, and light the cyno there. And if you can't do that, you jump to a cyno right as it self-destructs, and if you don't appear at the center of the sun, you immediately MWD-align and warp to a safe. And if you can't do that, you just don't jump solo.
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ullerrm posted:And if you can't do that, then you set up a bookmark that's at the center of the system's sun, and light the cyno there. Wait you can go to the center of the sun? When did that become a thing?
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Your post just makes me realize that I know jack poo poo about caps. Can you explain the two jumps thing, and the center of the sun thing? I also don't get the Chribba message, how do those handoffs work exactly?
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Also naming your cyno characters stuff like "CynoAlt2" and using them to move yourself solo through lowsec is a great way to make new friends.
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Red Crown posted:If you roll into the Hemin area in something that isn't Ishtars there's a good chance you'll get Harpies in return. It's tremendous fun for all involved. Yeah, we should probably do some non-ishtar roaming at some point. That said both the Harpies and Ishtars have a similar engagement envelope and we don't usually have more than 20 Ishtars (last time I roamed, I've been pretty inactive the past few weeks). Might actually be a pretty fair fight.
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Voyager I posted:Also naming your cyno characters stuff like "CynoAlt2" and using them to move yourself solo through lowsec is a great way to make new friends. Now this just screams bad idea, right out of bad idea central. (Are there really people who do this? Maybe I should make a character search next time I'm logged in, just to start a list of possible hunting targets or something.)
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Bean Head posted:Why not? I think it'd be great to have their numbers in our fleets especially if people can handle the Train them up, then turn them loose on TEST.....
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Skuto posted:Your post just makes me realize that I know jack poo poo about caps. Can you explain the two jumps thing, and the center of the sun thing? Explaining the "two jumps" thing: Jumping to a cyno triggers a session change, just like jumping through a gate. You'll be uncloaked, but nobody will be able to lock you for 30 seconds. This invulnerability is canceled if you activate a module, or do anything considered an intentional movement (double click in space, clicking orbit / keep at range, etc). Jumping to a cyno consumes 72% of your capacitor. This is the main mechanic that prevents someone from rapidly jumping. If you are travel fit -- mids full of cap rechargers, lows full of cap power relays -- then it is possible for you to recharge up to 72% and make a second jump before your session change invulnerability timer runs out. If you do this, it won't matter if your first cyno has a HIC waiting at it, because you'll be gone before the HIC can lock you. (Of course, an even better choice is ensuring that your first cyno is safe.) Explaining the center of the sun thing: There's a couple of ways to make a bookmark that is inside a solar system's sun. If you have one of these bookmarks, then you can warp to it; you'll exit warp inside the sun, and then the sun (with its incredibly high mass) will bump you, ejecting your ship out in a random direction at extremely high speed (multiple AU/sec). If you warp to the bookmark in a cyno ship, and light the cyno immediately upon landing, then your cyno beacon will go up inside the sun while your cyno ship is bumped out. Any ship jumping to the cyno will be bumped out, as will any ship trying to warp to the cyno from inside that system. Because you're bumped by the sun after you exit warp, you are allowed to activate any module you want while moving at this high speed, including cloaks. Put it all together, and you'll see why this is one of the safest ways to move caps -- although also one of the slowest. Explaining buying supercaps using Chribba: Chribba operates an escrow service. Basically, the buyer and seller negotiate a price, and then agree to use Chribba as an intermediary. How it works 99% of the time is: * Buyer gives Chribba the isk, plus a small additional fee. * Buyer, seller, and Chribba meet up at a POS. * Seller ejects from the ship. Buyer jumps into ship. * Buyer jumps to his private exit cyno. * Chribba observes all this, and releases isk to seller. If the seller tries to renege at any point (kill the buyer, refuse to release the ship, tackle the buyer after he purchases it, etc.) then Chribba gives the money back to the buyer. For an additional fee, he will directly take possession of your super and sell it for you. ullerrm fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Mar 21, 2014 |
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Alexzandvar posted:/pol/ is currently trying to get the support togeather across 4chan to create their own Alliance to compete directly with TEST and Goons. All it would take to cause a /pol/ based corporation or alliance to failure cascade is for it to come out that someone in leadership is black, jewish, gay, or feminist. That place is Stormfront without registration, and if you thought 4chan was already bad, /pol/ makes the place certifiably worse because they leak all over the place and poison any kind of honest discourse, which is loving hard enough to come by on 4chan as it is. What I'm saying is they won't even get as far as Gevlon has before interest completely dies or they implode from internal drama relating to their unironic bigotry and fear of any sort of Other. When Eve discussion crops up on 4chan it's almost always people who are happily in the CFC, PL, or N3 and everybody seems content to poo poo-talk and scoff at any suggestion of 4chan-based alliances. I'm ashamed I know this much about the internal politics of 4chan, but a /pol/ based eve alliance is so loving impossible and hilarious that I'd almost pitty the people trying to pull it off if I wasn't 100% sure they are among the most repugnant people on the planet.
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hemophilia posted:All it would take to cause a /pol/ based corporation or alliance to failure cascade is for it to come out that someone in leadership is black, jewish, gay, or feminist. That place is Stormfront without registration, and if you thought 4chan was already bad, /pol/ makes the place certifiably worse because they leak all over the place and poison any kind of honest discourse, which is loving hard enough to come by on 4chan as it is. Iv tried explaining to them that theres already a pretty diverse spread of 4channers around the entirety of EVE and they aren't going to dump all there corps to join some 4chan crusade. So far /pol/ is convinced they can convince "The Goyim" to work for them, although they are conflicted on who they hate more TEST or GSF.
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hemophilia posted:All it would take to cause a /pol/ based corporation or alliance to failure cascade is for it to come out that someone in leadership is black, jewish, gay, or feminist. That place is Stormfront without registration, and if you thought 4chan was already bad, /pol/ makes the place certifiably worse because they leak all over the place and poison any kind of honest discourse, which is loving hard enough to come by on 4chan as it is. Isn't PL originally a 4chan alliance, as well as Pizza?
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Awesome explanation, many thanks. So in this case the buyer jumped to his cyno, got tackled instantly, and Chribba gives the money to the seller because it's not his fault the other guy got tackled at a cyno they're not supposed to know the details of anyhow.
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hemophilia posted:All it would take to cause a /pol/ based corporation or alliance to failure cascade is for it to come out that someone in leadership is black, jewish, gay, or feminist. That place is Stormfront without registration, and if you thought 4chan was already bad, /pol/ makes the place certifiably worse because they leak all over the place and poison any kind of honest discourse, which is loving hard enough to come by on 4chan as it is. So effectively if they somehow did manage to hold it together it'd be like the KKK of eve?
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Skuto posted:Awesome explanation, many thanks. So in this case the buyer jumped to his cyno, got tackled instantly, and Chribba gives the money to the seller because it's not his fault the other guy got tackled at a cyno they're not supposed to know the details of anyhow. Exactly. The guy failed Supercap Ownership 101; that's not Chribba's problem, nor is it the seller's problem. (And he didn't quite get tackled instantly -- he cloaked up where he landed, only to have a HIC land on him in close proximity.) The Titan pilot posted on reddit, and it's pretty much what you'd expect: quote:This was my Rag that died. I owned it for a glorious 30 seconds, and it was amazing. I recommend it to everyone.
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