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pugnax posted:Funded by their All things which 2005-2008 Goonfleet was well known for, right? I get that you're trying to highlight the gap between GSF's current amazing SRP/free ship programs and BNI's relative poorness, but GSF's prosperity is extremely recent and its free frigates and SRP both long predate any kind of meaningful alliance income whatsoever. If you are going to sell yourself as a newbie-friendly organization, then step up and provide the services that actually make that true, and actively try to develop FCs beyond the pointless-fleet-welp threshold. If Syndicate Goonfleet could provide effectively unlimited free Rifters to 1000+ newbies with virtually no corp income (with no JFs/Rorquals and maybe two carriers), then an alliance who owns (or owned) many POCOs, several decent moons, and who is being paid a supposedly large amount of money should be able to afford substantially more. If not, then that money is being wasted or embezzled, or both.
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stupid titan buyer posted:This was my Rag that died. I owned it for a glorious 30 seconds, and it was amazing. I recommend it to everyone.
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I could start a corp tomorrow and fund indefinite amounts of free t1 frigates out of my own pocket. I could deliver them just about anywhere, too. There's no excuse for an actual alliance not offering the service.
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Oof, that rag travel fit has a 240s recharge time before implants/gang bonuses etc. Down to 180 exactly if you drop the dc for another cpr.
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almighty posted:Since you have aptly demonstrated yourself to be a good poster, you will make me very happy if you can follow up with the to-do list below: You have a PM! 
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Mar 21, 2014 23:46
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Hollow Talk posted:You have a PM! BNI will be less intelligent without you Hollow. Good luck on your new endeavor!
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deadtear posted:Oof, that rag travel fit has a 240s recharge time before implants/gang bonuses etc. Down to 180 exactly if you drop the dc for another cpr. Ragnaroks have horrific capacitor. A tank-fit Rag will take nearly twenty minutes to reach jump cap.  Their sole saving grace is that they align in a single MWD cycle, so they're good for driveby DDs. (And the passive fleet bonus is fantastic for AHAC fleets, which is ironic given that it's a shield super.)
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Thrasophius posted:So effectively if they somehow did manage to hold it together it'd be like the KKK of eve? The ONLY way they could hold it together is if they managed to find every sympathetic bigot in eve and get them to cohese together, so yes. You have to understand something about /pol/ and 4chan. Moot took his ball and left SA to make it years ago. The original culture were those early goons talking about anime and being the kind of shithead goon you would expect in 2004/5. Racism and bigotry was prolific, but it was ironic. It was blatantly, obviously ironic. All for laughs. That doesn't make it okay, but nobody was seriously talking the way /pol/ does now. 4chan got media attention, got popular for a while, and unlike something awful, you don't get banned for not lurking or anything. People thought everyone was being serious. We literally attracted stormfront types by being ironic and trying to be funny with each other. Then moot created boards to discuss news and current events, and these just served as a god drat magnet for these unironic bigots. They they became a permanent fixture of the board culture, and moot tried and failed to purge them. I don't know why I'm giving this history lesson except to illustrate the 4chan subculture we're talking about here is united by one thing: bigotry and conservative politics. That's it. A lot of them are unironic nazi sympathizers too. I suspect if they ever formed a coherent identity in Eve, they would be the 'KKK' of eve for all of a few weeks and CCP would ban the majority of them, because if there's one thing CCP is loving diligent about, it's purging anything relating to national socialism, which /pol/ is very fond of.
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Mar 21, 2014 23:55
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Was that a doomsday on that Rag? Did that pilot not even fire his doomsday?
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/pol/ isn't just Stormfront, it's also Ron Paul flavored shithead libertarianism. But yes /pol/ has gotten so bad also because mods of the other boards don't really care about keeping poo poo on topic especially on /v/. Also 4chan is were BL gets most of their humor, so if you ever wondered why BL was so insufferable that's why.
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Alexzandvar posted:/pol/ isn't just Stormfront, it's also Ron Paul flavored shithead libertarianism. There's a difference?
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hemophilia posted:... because if there's one thing CCP is loving diligent about, it's purging anything relating to national socialism, which /pol/ is very fond of. Are you kidding? Syndicate has people flying around it with "14/88" in their name, and GROON members have gotten muted (or even temp-banned) for calling him a Nazi. When Fon Revedhort ran for CSM, he literally put white-power songs in his advertisement videos, and CCP did not give a poo poo, right up until "neo-Nazi running for office" became a PR issue for them. DisgracelandUSA posted:Was that a doomsday on that Rag? Did that pilot not even fire his doomsday? Firing a doomsday locks you in place for a period of time, leaving you unable to warp, jump, or cloak. The pilot was trying to organize a fleet to save him as he died, so firing the DD wouldn't have helped his cause. Of course, if you know you're hosed, might as well fire it and take someone out on your way down. And trust me, he was hosed. Another free lesson from Supercap Ownership 101: When you're moving a super (or otherwise are not in a combat situation), you refit one of your high slots to a cyno. That way, if you get tackled, you can light a cyno and have triage carriers jump directly to you to try and save your rear end. The dead Rag had his cyno in his fleet hangar instead, completely useless to him.
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hemophilia posted:The ONLY way they could hold it together is if they managed to find every sympathetic bigot in eve and get them to cohese together, so yes. Even if by some miracle CCP didn't get rid of them they'd propbably be shut down hard by the players because (at least I hope) the players don't want guys like that flying in game. I appreciate the history lesson, I remember the mittani on a fanfest vid mentioning 4chan as a bastard child so now I finally understand what he meant by that, I had no idea moot was a former SA member. Looking at 4chan and seeing SA by comparison I can see why you guys regulate it so heavily, it's probably the first time I've took pleasure from posting on a forum.
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ullerrm posted:Are you kidding? Syndicate has people flying around it with "14/88" in their name, and GROON members have gotten muted (or even temp-banned) for calling him a Nazi. When Fon Revedhort ran for CSM, he literally put white-power songs in his advertisement videos, and CCP did not give a poo poo, right up until "neo-Nazi running for office" became a PR issue for them. Well, I stand corrected then. I've seen lots of incidences where the opposite has happened though. I jokingly posted "mein fuehrer!" in The Mittani's CSM7 candidacy thread. The post got deleted and I got a temporary ban just for that. I've seen lots of people moderated in and out of game for really stupid minor jokey nazi stuff. I wouldn't expect them to put up with what /pol/ would bring to the table.
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I haven't really used 4chan much since I joined SA, but I remember the stories about how lovely /pol/ was. If /v/ couldn't hold together (I was in Broski way back when), loving /pol/ won't be able to. Most of 4chan's eve players don't want a revival either.
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Thrasophius posted:Even if by some miracle CCP didn't get rid of them they'd propbably be shut down hard by the players because (at least I hope) the players don't want guys like that flying in game. It's important not to paint the entirety of 4chan with the same brush however, /tg/, /mlp/, a few other of the medium to small sized boards stay fairly on topic and are much higher in quality than shitholes like /b/, /v/ and /pol/.
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hemophilia posted:Well, I stand corrected then. I've seen lots of incidences where the opposite has happened though. I jokingly posted "mein fuehrer!" in The Mittani's CSM7 candidacy thread. The post got deleted and I got a temporary ban just for that. I've seen lots of people moderated in and out of game for really stupid minor jokey nazi stuff. I wouldn't expect them to put up with what /pol/ would bring to the table. The problem is that CCP takes instant action if you call somebody a Nazi but they don't do anything to the people who are actual Nazi sympathizers.
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Hollow Talk posted:You have a PM! I see you're in the NPC corp. Great work so far. Are you going to show us the "so long, shitlords" alliance mail you sent before you left?
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Alexzandvar posted:It's important not to paint the entirety of 4chan with the same brush however, /tg/, /mlp/, a few other of the medium to small sized boards stay fairly on topic and are much higher in quality than shitholes like /b/, /v/ and /pol/. Yes, tell us more about the high quality of 4chan's /mlp/ board.
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Alexzandvar posted:It's important not to paint the entirety of 4chan with the same brush however, /tg/, /mlp/, a few other of the medium to small sized boards stay fairly on topic and are much higher in quality than shitholes like /b/, /v/ and /pol/. Yeah bronies are well-known for their high quality posting.
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My point is that they stay on topic, not that there topic wasn't bad. 4chan historically been awful at staying topic (See /v/ or any other major board).
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uwaeve posted:I see you're in the NPC corp. Great work so far. Are you going to show us the "so long, shitlords" alliance mail you sent before you left? Actually, I didn't send one, for a very simple reason: That (pastebin) thread resonated with some people, while others already tried to paint this in various ways as "spai", whining, entitlement etc. Causing some more drama while leaving would probably mean that any amount of use that thread had, no matter how tiny, would vanish because "see, told you, he left immediately" etc. The original thread starter didn't exactly help his case by having a wee bit of a meltdown towards the end and then telling people it's because of real life stress etc. That essentially meant you can now disregard the things he brought up because it was all just a personal thing because he was in a bad mood. This gives you a nice narrative how this was all caused by some lone, confused BNI member and how all of his criticism doesn't stand up to any scrutiny and most certainly doesn't hint towards wider, endemic problems. Now, I'm probably way to optimistic here, but I also don't want to give some of the people who replied there an even easier way of not dealing with any of the criticism. Besides, it's all a bit of a waste of time, because it's not going have any impact whatsoever. 
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It might be partially my fault but there's no reason to debate the merits of various 4chan boards or 4chan itself except to mock the idea of a 4chan corp or alliance going anywhere but down the toilet, especially one that calls the Stormfront quarantine board its home.
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hemophilia posted:It might be partially my fault but there's no reason to debate the merits of various 4chan boards or 4chan itself except to mock the idea of a 4chan corp or alliance going anywhere but down the toilet, especially one that calls the Stormfront quarantine board its home. Agreed, 4chan has never been able to organize itself well on a large scale and continuous argument over it will most likely lead to poo flinging over dumb stuff.
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Thanks for the updates on 4chan, y'all.
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Everything I know about the subforums of 4chan can be summed up by the words "/v/ is infested with furries" and apparently "/pol/ is infested with nazis" I can't stand the loving layout so the odds of me ever reading 4chan are pretty much nil.
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Alexzandvar posted:/pol/ is currently trying to get the support togeather across 4chan to create their own Alliance to compete directly with TEST and Goons. Hi, if this happens please crush their faces in repeatedly tia thanks.
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Deofuta posted:One less non CFC aligned poster They don't call it the Goon Hivemind for nothing.
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So did TEST just literally survive as long as they did because GSF allowed it? I thought with the size of them they'd at least have some competent leadership to throw BNI's way.
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Because what BNI wants is one of us (or anyone for that matter)to go over and take charge.
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Hollow Talk posted:A good post. This was well thought out. Yet more proof that you are way too good for those idiots. I'm glad you got out, but I admit its going to be heartbreaking when it gets discovered that you and Rhombus are spies. 
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Thrasophius posted:So did TEST just literally survive as long as they did because GSF allowed it? I thought with the size of them they'd at least have some competent leadership to throw BNI's way. They got into nullsec because of GSF and the DC/CFC but did essentially the same thing to PL, then to NCdot and N3. Any coalition would have liked a functional TEST as an ally, but once allied TEST would systematically destroy the relationship. Once they ran out of people willing to prop them up, they fell apart. They were a promising alliance once, but every time someone competent managed their way into leadership they were trolled out of the position and into better alliances.
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pugnax posted:Yeah, we should probably do some non-ishtar roaming at some point. That said both the Harpies and Ishtars have a similar engagement envelope and we don't usually have more than 20 Ishtars (last time I roamed, I've been pretty inactive the past few weeks). Might actually be a pretty fair fight. It isn't, unfortunately. The Ishtar max native resist is kinetic and they're faster than Harpies. At best, it's a stalemate where the Harpies kill the sentries and the Ishtars kill tackle and get away.
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Deofuta posted:Because what BNI wants is one of us (or anyone for that matter)to go over and take charge. You're trying way too hard.
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Innominate posted:They got into nullsec because of GSF and the DC/CFC but did essentially the same thing to PL, then to NCdot and N3. Any coalition would have liked a functional TEST as an ally, but once allied TEST would systematically destroy the relationship. Once they ran out of people willing to prop them up, they fell apart. So essentially they brought their own demise by systematically pissing off every power bloc and TEST leaders thought that was a good idea wow. I'll take you're word for it that they where a promising bunch I had nothing but trouble under them in my brief time in null.
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Famethrowa posted:Isn't PL originally a 4chan alliance, quote:as well as Pizza? 4chan has had a couple of stabs at doing stuff in eve over the years, but the way the board works it never lasts because 4chan is institutionalized ADD. If some small sub-board comes in it'll probably do the same as they always do.
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Just because it might be relevant right now, isn't the policy with sponsorees that they cannot become full fledged members even if they have an SA account that meets the requirements? I wouldn't want to see a good newbie get sorta screw because of sponsorship.
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That's actually a little disappointing. It would be great if sov wars were essentially just various internet communities duking it out for eternity.
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