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Dr. Eldarion
Mar 21, 2001

Deal Dispatcher

Companies frequently also do credit checks for employment. It's the same situation as for security clearances - they want to make sure that the employees are less vulnerable to being bribed or stealing money.

At my job, I didn't need a credit check to get the job originally, but later on when I needed to get access to money-related systems, the credit check was part of the process.

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tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

SiGmA_X posted:

I wonder how much a "lot of debt" is. Could SloMo be in trouble?!

Hahaha, could he not be in trouble?

I mean, he's not exactly a risk-averse person. *drinks 45 redbulls while studying finance for 20 hours straight and then takes barbiturates at the opera in order to fall asleep with his crazy ex-wife* Ballin'!

Nail Rat
Dec 29, 2000

You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!

Boris Galerkin posted:

I thought the background checks a company does only pulls up police records and verifies that you've lived where you said you lived in the past 10 years. The debt thing for security clearances are completely different.

No, a lot of civilian companies will pull credit reports/checks too.

edit: beaten.

corkskroo
Sep 10, 2004

tiananman posted:

On more than one occasion, I know he's spent a weekend at a hotel near his apartment just because he likes getting room service, ordering pay-per-view and not having to worry about cooking or cleaning...

What the gently caress

ziasquinn
Jan 1, 2006

Fallen Rib

corkskroo posted:

What the gently caress

Yeah, hasn't this dude heard of paper plates and ordering pizza??

TLG James
Jun 5, 2000

Questing ain't easy

Your Dead Gay Son posted:

Yeah, hasn't this dude heard of paper plates and ordering pizza??

You got to throw out the box dude.

big shtick energy
May 27, 2004


Your Dead Gay Son posted:

Yeah, hasn't this dude heard of paper plates and ordering pizza??

Pfft, you tear the box lid to make plates.

Now that I think of it, I'm enjoying not being in school anymore.

EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

TLG James posted:

You got to throw out the box dude.

The neighbors in my building have a wall of pizza boxes outside their door.

It's been there 2 months.

TLG James
Jun 5, 2000

Questing ain't easy
http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/pa...hSVpgIAXbkXOA==

I don't think she's bad with money, though just a bad situation. Though I wouldn't give my kids faygo.

TLG James fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Mar 23, 2014

antiga
Jan 16, 2013

Your Dead Gay Son posted:

Yeah, hasn't this dude heard of paper plates and ordering pizza??

Have we learned nothing from zaurg? Paper plates are evil, immoral, and not economical!

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

tiananman posted:

On more than one occasion, I know he's spent a weekend at a hotel near his apartment just because he likes getting room service, ordering pay-per-view and not having to worry about cooking or cleaning...

Honestly? I've done that a few times. Didn't order pay-per-view or room service but yeah, $50 for a Hotwire special at a 4 star hotel makes for a cheap stay-cation.

SiGmA_X
May 3, 2004
SiGmA_X

BigDave posted:

Honestly? I've done that a few times. Didn't order pay-per-view or room service but yeah, $50 for a Hotwire special at a 4 star hotel makes for a cheap stay-cation.
I don't get it. What's the appeal?

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

SiGmA_X posted:

I don't get it. What's the appeal?

The beds. And the showers.

And getting shitfaced with no one watching.

EDIT: And the illusion of taking a vacation when you can't afford the real thing.

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

SiGmA_X posted:

I don't get it. What's the appeal?

Yeah I don't get it either. Just go to a campsite or something. At least there's fire.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
It's best not to let the escorts know where you live.

Rick Rickshaw
Feb 21, 2007

I am not disappointed I lost the PGA Championship. Nope, I am not.

tuyop posted:

Yeah I don't get it either. Just go to a campsite or something. At least there's fire.

Most of my friends are 25 year old man-childs who live at home, so getting a hotel room downtown is not much more than a cab ride back to their parent's house.

It's not really bad with money, just kind of bad with life.

I am OK
Mar 9, 2009

LAWL

Harry posted:

It's best not to let the escorts know where you live.

This is of course the real reason.

cumshitter
Sep 27, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
I imagine staying the weekend in a hotel, if you can get one for the prices BigDave is quoting, can be a nice break from room mates.

Just imagine. Someone else cleaning up for once while you're away.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

RommelMcDonald posted:

I imagine staying the weekend in a hotel, if you can get one for the prices BigDave is quoting, can be a nice break from room mates.

Just imagine. Someone else cleaning up for once while you're away.

Like a cleaner who would cost significantly less if you spit the bill with your roommates.

While living with 3 other guys at University who were even lazier than me, we used to get a lady in twice a week who would do everything from clean the place to do our laundry. It was definitely worth the $50/week each it cost, it seems high, but we never cleaned the place, we never washed dishes and we never did any of our own laundry. She did it for us, some other 4 person household and just cleaned another on the spare day, she was making a cool $1k/week cash money.

We were probably terrible with money paying someone to clean up for us because we were lazy slobs, but she definitely had it figured out making that sort of money doing basic household chores for manchildren.

Bisty Q.
Jul 22, 2008
From /r/personalfinance:

quote:

When I started my job I filled out my W2 wrong and put an extra dependent. Fast forward to last tax season and my returns show that I owe a little under $400. I still have not taken care of that for various reasons.
My plan was/is to pay it off at the beginning of April before filing my taxes for this year. What I don't know is if I have added interest, or if something worse could happen because of me not paying it off in time. Would it be ok to file my taxes before I pay off the debt?
I really don't know much about taxes. Please help.

Yeah, it's totally fine, man, just pay the IRS whenever you get around to it.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS
Is putting the wrong number of dependents illegal? I kind of wish my job didn't withhold for me at all...

Shadowgate
May 6, 2007

Soiled Meat

Jeffrey posted:

Is putting the wrong number of dependents illegal? I kind of wish my job didn't withhold for me at all...

No, you can put whatever you want down for withholdings, but if you claim too many you will just end up owing more money at the end of the year.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

Shadowgate posted:

No, you can put whatever you want down for withholdings, but if you claim too many you will just end up owing more money at the end of the year.

Well yeah, I don't mean as a way to get out of paying, I just want to make money off of it during the year. Maybe doing this on margin is stupid, but I wonder if, assuming a salary rising only with inflation, you'd come out ahead historically doing this every year and buying index funds. You obviously need enough of a buffer to cover the loss if things crash...

Lowness 72
Jul 19, 2006
BUTTS LOL

Jade Ear Joe
You will be penalized at year end if you weren't withholding enough throughout the year.

lavaca
Jun 11, 2010
gently caress, beaten. Anyway, there is a threshold, but it's too low to make this worth it even if the market has a really good year.

corkskroo
Sep 10, 2004

But if I can realize gains of $200 and beat the $175 penalty I win right!?

SiGmA_X
May 3, 2004
SiGmA_X

corkskroo posted:

But if I can realize gains of $200 and beat the $175 penalty I win right!?
One must be in a realllly low tax bracket to make that worth it. So low that one probably doesn't 'save' jack poo poo by doing this because the withholding is minimal anyway...

See publication 505 for more details. It's *massively* easier not to mention smarter to just pay as you go. Don't over withhold, but don't pay stupid tax (penalty) because you're trying to gain an absurdly minimal amount of money.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

SiGmA_X posted:

One must be in a realllly low tax bracket to make that worth it. So low that one probably doesn't 'save' jack poo poo by doing this because the withholding is minimal anyway...

See publication 505 for more details. It's *massively* easier not to mention smarter to just pay as you go. Don't over withhold, but don't pay stupid tax (penalty) because you're trying to gain an absurdly minimal amount of money.

Yeah I looked into it and the penalty is pretty high, and percentage based. It would have made me a bunch of money last year, but it was an atypical year and the penalty is high enough that it doesn't make sense to do in the average year.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
It's pretty hard to get penalized unless you're just really trying to game the system hard.

SiGmA_X
May 3, 2004
SiGmA_X

Harry posted:

It's pretty hard to get penalized unless you're just really trying to game the system hard.
You'll get penalized if you do not withhold, unless your total tax due is under a grand. As a poor, I pay more than a grand a year... And in that case, I bet one will have trouble coming up with the money, or ahead if they invest otherwise.

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

Harry posted:

It's pretty hard to get penalized unless you're just really trying to game the system hard.

There's a couple of intricacies, but generally if you under-withheld W2 wages by more than $1000 you pay a (IIRC) 10% penalty.

Mr.Radar
Nov 5, 2005

You guys aren't going to believe this, but that guy is our games teacher.
More reddit, this time from the comments on a story in the economics subreddit about how many middle class families have no cash savings even though they have other assets:

quote:

[–]lechoen 45 points 1 day ago

I wonder how much lack of savings is based on the fact some middle class don't think they need it. The middle class drive leased cars that still have warranties. They have health insurance with predictable co-pays, they can max out retirement savings and spend the rest on the luxuries like eating out more often or new cell phones etc. They don't have large unpredictable expenses that the poor have. They also have equity in their house, so if the poo poo really hit the fan in their life they do have available cash.

[–]shadow1515 20 points 22 hours ago

This sounds correct. I know a bunch of people who make six figures and they generally tend to save money in investments rather than keep it liquid where it's constantly losing value to inflation.

[–]tootie 3 points 9 hours ago

I never keep any "emergency fund" because I can easily put $10k on a credit card if I need to and have 30 days to sell off investments to pay it.

[–]shadow1515 4 points 8 hours ago

And likely even get 1.5-6% of that as statement credits to boot.

quote:

[–]Iron-Fist 60 points 23 hours ago

Why have cash savings when you can have index funds?

Seriously, I thought it was obvious that saving was a poor person thing.

quote:

[–]BoboLuck 4 points 23 hours ago

I'd consider myself middle class being single earning 65-80k. I'm trying to build up a decent amount of savings. Maybe I'm going about it all wrong and should use my spare income on some more expensive luxuries.

[–]HodorIsMyNigga 15 points 22 hours ago

You should just not keep it in cash

[–]w3djyt 2 points 21 hours ago

The point is less about whether it's possible to have cash on hand as a backup plan than it is that not having to fear the inability to suddenly pay something off allows you to invest your money instead.

In other words, you should be investing your money, not trying to save it with you level of income.

Grats, btw.

[–]Omikron -1 points 21 hours ago

Regular savings accounts are for suckers. They pay zero interest and have little to no benefit over other kinds of savings vehicles.

IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007

Mr.Radar posted:

More reddit, this time from the comments on a story in the economics subreddit about how many middle class families have no cash savings even though they have other assets:

I've always wondered why people flip out and sell during a market downturn. Now I don't.

ntan1
Apr 29, 2009

sempai noticed me

Mr.Radar posted:

More reddit, this time from the comments on a story in the economics subreddit about how many middle class families have no cash savings even though they have other assets:

Actually accurate if you have a large amount of money in indexed investments and if an emergency fund portion is less than lets say 2-3% of your total money. Since the emergency fund is very tiny, you can simply sell off a very tiny portion to pay for the next few months, and you would still likely get an OK return on the investments you sold.

If you don't fall into said category, however, then not having an emergency fund is indeed stupid.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
What's the cutoff limit for being penalized by the IRS for not withholding enough? According to my numbers I should owe the IRS like less than $100 next year. I hope this doesn't gently caress me over.

asur
Dec 28, 2012

Boris Galerkin posted:

What's the cutoff limit for being penalized by the IRS for not withholding enough? According to my numbers I should owe the IRS like less than $100 next year. I hope this doesn't gently caress me over.

http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc306.html

Relevant quote

quote:

Generally, most taxpayers will avoid this penalty if they owe less than $1,000 in tax after subtracting their withholdings and credits, or if they paid at least 90% of the tax for the current year, or 100% of the tax shown on the return for the prior year, whichever is smaller. There are special rules for farmers and fishermen, certain household employers and certain higher income taxpayers. Please refer to Publication 505, Tax Withholding and Estimated Tax, for additional information.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Mr.Radar posted:

quote:

Seriously, I thought it was obvious that saving was a poor person thing.

:stonk:

This needs to be the thread title somehow.

pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib
Man I wish I knew where this masturbatory love for index funds came from; yeah generally index funds safely rise year after year, but thinking they always go up is just as dumb as thinking anything will always go up. Markets correct themselves and what do you do if you're regarding an index fund as a savings account and the market decides it's time to correct itself when you're 64?

antiga
Jan 16, 2013

pathetic little tramp posted:

Man I wish I knew where this masturbatory love for index funds came from; yeah generally index funds safely rise year after year, but thinking they always go up is just as dumb as thinking anything will always go up. Markets correct themselves and what do you do if you're regarding an index fund as a savings account and the market decides it's time to correct itself when you're 64?

Not sure if sarcasm but you're correct that a 100% equity portfolio at 64 is not a great idea.

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Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS
It's not like have to cash out on your 65th birthday either, you just take out what you need that year and then ride it back up as you age. Anyone who was 64 in 2008 is sitting pretty now if they didn't cash everything out.

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