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rabidsquid posted:Tapping isn't part of the cost, the cost is just discarding a card, so they can make it hexproof after attacking with it. Okay, but I really don't think something with discarding a card as a cost will warp the format more than something like revelation. Scry 3 is nice but it is not completely game changing. Quote me when I'm wrong though 
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I'm looking forward to all those incredible Azorius cards rotating out not because I don't like Esper or control decks in general, but because I'd really like to see the main control deck not be base blue-white for a while. How about blue-black, or Grixis?
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Mar 23, 2014 23:53
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Well, (some) people really dislike counters, card drawing, discard, and land destruction, so that eliminates the best blue, black, and red control strategies, leaving Green and White. Maybe if they print some good control enchantments in the next few sets we can see WG control be a real thing.
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Mar 23, 2014 23:56
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Samael posted:Okay, but I really don't think something with discarding a card as a cost will warp the format more than something like revelation. Scry 3 is nice but it is not completely game changing. Quote me when I'm wrong though I don't know that Sphinx is going to be part of a successful control deck necessarily but the part that people hate about playing against control "They always have the perfect card!!!" is going to be happening an awful lot more if a persistent scry 3 is playable. That Sphinx will cause a lot more of that feelbad than Revelation ever has. It's just funny to me because every rotation you see a lot of "good that control card I loving hate is going to be gone and nothing in the new set bothers me" and then by the next rotation it happens again, and again, and again. Smashing Link posted:Well, (some) people really dislike counters, card drawing, discard, and land destruction, so that eliminates the best blue, black, and red control strategies, leaving Green and White. Maybe if they print some good control enchantments in the next few sets we can see WG control be a real thing. Players that are not super familiar with what might be in a deck due to being new or just not paying attention to that sort of stuff really hate cards they don't expect interacting with them in those ways. Interaction like that also get in the way of Magical Christmas Land, which is a place a lot of people live. Land destruction is probably too punishing out of all of those effects because you keep most starting hands under the assumption that you will have the mana to cast your spells. Discard and counters and removal all have less of a drastic effect if you weren't expecting any kind of interaction other than casting dudes. rabidsquid fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Mar 24, 2014 |
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Mar 23, 2014 23:59
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rabidsquid posted:I don't know that Sphinx is going to be part of a successful control deck necessarily but the part that people hate about playing against control "They always have the perfect card!!!" is going to be happening an awful lot more if a persistent scry 3 is playable. That Sphinx will cause a lot more of that feelbad than Revelation ever has. Sorry, this is my first standard "season" so if it happens every time, I apologize. I just don't like that card at all, since it forces control to be azorius splashing something and I want control to be a bit more varied than that.
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Mar 24, 2014 00:03
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Attorney at Funk posted:I'm looking forward to all those incredible Azorius cards rotating out not because I don't like Esper or control decks in general, but because I'd really like to see the main control deck not be base blue-white for a while. How about blue-black, or Grixis? As long as Blue is the best colour at answering cards before they come into play, and White the best at answering cards after, this will not happen.
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Mar 24, 2014 00:04
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It happens every year during rotation when new decks pop up. Cards that were not used (Pack Rat, Nightveil, Grizzly Salvage, Frostburn Weird) last year all of a sudden find a home. Its almost like, gasp, Wizards plans these things out a year before to make future decks viable!
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Mar 24, 2014 00:07
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Samael posted:Sorry, this is my first standard "season" so if it happens every time, I apologize. I just don't like that card at all, since it forces control to be azorius splashing something and I want control to be a bit more varied than that. Oh yeah totally I get that. Unfortunately Wizards design lately seems to be based on having huge swingy effects like that, so you see a lot of homogenous decks. I can't remember the last time there were multiple viable control decks. I feel the same way about generic red aggro decks because I find them very boring to play against. I am sorry that your first experience versus control has been two years of playing against the same card though, I know how boring that can be.
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Mar 24, 2014 00:07
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TheKingofSprings posted:As long as Blue is the best colour at answering cards before they come into play, and White the best at answering cards after, this will not happen. In fairness, black is usually pretty good at answering cards after they come into play. UB control has been a real force in the past when black has had a solid sweeper to work with.
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Mar 24, 2014 00:11
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rabidsquid posted:Oh yeah totally I get that. Unfortunately Wizards design lately seems to be based on having huge swingy effects like that, so you see a lot of homogenous decks. I can't remember the last time there were multiple viable control decks. I feel the same way about generic red aggro decks because I find them very boring to play against. UW seems to be a common theme because they have never stopped printing Wrath and O-Ring effects. I remember UB being good for a little while in Scars block, but for the most part, it's been U/W for a while.
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Mar 24, 2014 00:13
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I would love to see Control's next big thing become that Sphinx; Revelation is just a bullshit card because it essentially resets the game for the Control player and the other guy has spent so much time just getting the game in winning distance via attrition. It's just very good in a blunt way and has seen the maximum amount of play from the moment RtR was released and will continue to do so until it rotates out of Standard. Prognostic Sphinx would involve a lot more skill in knowing what to keep and what to Scry away compared to just "tap out (except for counter mana in the mirror), gain X life, draw X cards, masturbate furiously."
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Mar 24, 2014 00:14
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rabidsquid posted:Oh yeah totally I get that. Unfortunately Wizards design lately seems to be based on having huge swingy effects like that, so you see a lot of homogenous decks. I can't remember the last time there were multiple viable control decks. I feel the same way about generic red aggro decks because I find them very boring to play against. I have been spoiled because I technically started playing when shards of alara came out and I did a ton of sealed with shards/alara reborn/conflux with my friends and that was a ton of fun. Then I started playing again when M14 came out and other than a few decks (MURDERGOATS, that biovisionary deck looks cool!) everything else has been kind of dull. Combined with modern items going up in price and being told by people "You should have bought your fetches when they were $10  " it has not been the best introduction for me so far.
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Mar 24, 2014 00:15
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MrBling posted:Watching Efro lose never stops being funny. Such a poor loser. What'd he do? He's always rubbed me the wrong way whenever I see him getting into some slapfight or argument over something extremely dumb on Twitter. Also sad I missed all the cool Legacy shenanigans today :\
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TheKingofSprings posted:As long as Blue is the best colour at answering cards before they come into play, and White the best at answering cards after, this will not happen. They could totally reprint Damnation after Verdict rotates out!! It could happen, shut up 
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Mar 24, 2014 00:20
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morning wood posted:Agreed. +5 points for Gryffindor. Please don't cross the nerd streams.
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Mar 24, 2014 00:27
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Samael posted:Okay, but I really don't think something with discarding a card as a cost will warp the format more than something like revelation. Scry 3 is nice but it is not completely game changing. Quote me when I'm wrong though
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Mar 24, 2014 00:28
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Speaking of Aetherling, any predictions on the next big creature for control? Aetherling, Blood Baron of Vizkopa, and Obzedat, Ghost Council are all rotating out at once.
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Mar 24, 2014 00:39
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morning wood posted:Speaking of Aetherling, any predictions on the next big creature for control? Aetherling, Blood Baron of Vizkopa, and Obzedat, Ghost Council are all rotating out at once. Yeah. The bigass blue dude printed in
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Mar 24, 2014 00:41
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Serious question - would making Rev sorcery-speed have caused it to be less oppressive? That adds another step to its decision tree, if nothing else.
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a dozen swans posted:Serious question - would making Rev sorcery-speed have caused it to be less oppressive? That adds another step to its decision tree, if nothing else.
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Mar 24, 2014 00:49
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morning wood posted:Speaking of Aetherling, any predictions on the next big creature for control? Aetherling, Blood Baron of Vizkopa, and Obzedat, Ghost Council are all rotating out at once. Prognostic Sphnix seems like a decent candidate. Hard to kill, reasonably evasive, and that scry effect means you get to shape your game moving forward.
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Mar 24, 2014 00:52
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Andrew Shrout is a genius at picking matches. We get what will most likely be a super quick infect match so that they can swap to the second match when this finishes. Oh and if anyone missed it yesterday apparently they're gonna have Shrout full time in his role. He was talking about not having the itch to play as much any more and he wanted to move on from playing into a different role.
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Boxman posted:Prognostic Sphnix seems like a decent candidate. Hard to kill, reasonably evasive, and that scry effect means you get to shape your game moving forward. Yeah, I think Prog Sphinx is the leading candidate. I'd love it to be Tromokratis, but it costing actual 7, rather than Aetherlings fake 7, AND it doesn't help you shape your turns like Prog Sphinx does makes it an easy choice. Talking of control decks, everyone keeps talking about how these decks are so different to old school control decks and how they run so few counters. I kinda want to try and see if I can make an old style control deck work. 4 Dissolve 2 Cancel 4 Negate 4 Render Silent 2 Dispel 3 Psychic Strike 2 Syncopate 4 Thoughtseize 4 Duress 4 Detention Sphere 2 Prognostic Sphinx 1 Aetherling 4 Temple of Deceit 4 Temple of Silence 4 Temple of Enlightenment 4 Watery Grave 4 Godless Shrine 4 Island
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mehall posted:Yeah, I think Prog Sphinx is the leading candidate. I'd love it to be Tromokratis, but it costing actual 7, rather than Aetherlings fake 7, AND it doesn't help you shape your turns like Prog Sphinx does makes it an easy choice.
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Mar 24, 2014 01:13
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mehall posted:Yeah, I think Prog Sphinx is the leading candidate. I'd love it to be Tromokratis, but it costing actual 7, rather than Aetherlings fake 7, AND it doesn't help you shape your turns like Prog Sphinx does makes it an easy choice. I think with effective counterspells getting a little more expensive and effective creatures getting a little less expensive, it certainly wouldn't be a top-tier deck. Bearing in mind that your list is a thought experiment, but I would almost certainly fit Essence Scatter in there somewhere.
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Mar 24, 2014 01:16
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 That's some good prizes there 
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Mar 24, 2014 01:17
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I'm told the GPT I was at might have broken the attendence record for an event of that class, at 114 players. Came 35 with BW Midrange, then pulled two Cornucopia in my 3 prize packs. Rough with the smooth.
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C-Euro: Yeah, you're right, I'd probably cut the Syncopates for them, or maybe the rest of the CancelsKorak posted:We have another thread for this :P but if you really want to go control heavy splash into red for 4 Counterflux. When you positively want to win a control mirror, counterflux and render silent will do it easily. You even get stuff like Izzet Charm where all three modes can be useful. Probably see a nice uptick in American Control when the UR scry land comes out. But then what colour do you cut, as you're super dependent on making sure you have the answer ready BEFORE they can play it, which is the downside to it. Though, it should have Supreme Verdict in it if I'm white, or Aetherize if I really want to cut white. If you cut white you lose D-Sphere though, and if you cut black you lose your early game discard, which is where a lot of game comes from I think.
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Mar 24, 2014 01:47
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Hey What a Judas, I hope your wallet is prepared to handle this sick miscut I just found!
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Mar 24, 2014 01:47
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Isn't the Prognostic Sphinx too susceptible to stuff like devour flesh to be a replacement for Aetherling?
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Mar 24, 2014 01:56
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It, too, will rotate out with RTR.
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Mar 24, 2014 02:00
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traslin posted:Isn't the Prognostic Sphinx too susceptible to stuff like devour flesh to be a replacement for Aetherling? Devour Flesh and Far/Away cycle with Aetherling. I don't think there's anything similar on Theros block yet. We'll see what Journey, M15, and the new block bring I guess.
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Mar 24, 2014 02:01
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Yeah, I mean we've only seen 40% or whatever of post-rotation cards but only Agent of the Fates has a sacrifice effect right now, right?
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Wow. SCG LA Legacy Kassari is already in the top 8 with Mono Green 12 Post. This should be really fun.
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suicidesteve posted:Devour Flesh and Far/Away cycle with Aetherling. I don't think there's anything similar on Theros block yet. We'll see what Journey, M15, and the new block bring I guess. Forgot about those cards cycling too. Fated retribution and planar cleansing hit it though. Edit - Celestial flare too. traslin fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Mar 24, 2014 |
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Mar 24, 2014 02:18
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Dr. Clockwork posted:Hey What a Judas, I hope your wallet is prepared to handle this sick miscut I just found! Pffffffffshh that's off-center, buddy!
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Mar 24, 2014 02:20
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traslin posted:Forgot about those cards cycling too. Fated retribution and planar cleansing hit it though. That's a good reason not to play it in this standard, but what finisher is there in Theros block that can avoid those right now?
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Mar 24, 2014 02:21
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Kabanaw posted:That's a good reason not to play it in this standard, but what finisher is there in Theros block that can avoid those right now? Anything that is indestructible?
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Kabanaw posted:That's a good reason not to play it in this standard, but what finisher is there in Theros block that can avoid those right now? Elspeth, because Planar Cleansing is also rotating, but that doesn't mean the Sphinx can't go in the same deck as Elspeth since they play well together.
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I'm a little confused on how the block rotation works in standard. I understand that the Ravnica block will rotate out but what set replaces it and when does this occur?
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