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PuTTY riot
Nov 16, 2002
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Dijkstra
May 21, 2002

are you using a SDR dongle or an actual scanner?


Are you getting a lot of errors?

PuTTY riot
Nov 16, 2002
sdr dongle, and yes lots of errors. also it looks like they routinely use two freqs

PuTTY riot
Nov 16, 2002
i bought 2 dongles so if i need to set up unitrunker or something i guess i can do that

Dijkstra
May 21, 2002

Do you get any voice at all? Or is it always garbled?


Are you using the crappy antenna that came with the dongle? In my limited experience decoding DMR the success is really dependent on the signal strength.

Another thing to try is forcing dsd+ to decode DMR using the DMR switch. (-fr)

If that doesn't work, your department could be using inverted DMR. DSD+ is supposed to auto detect inversion but it doesn't work well from what people say. So try forcing that too. (either -xr or -xR)

If the command line switches don't work try getting a better signal strength by relocating your antenna or getting a better one.

PuTTY riot
Nov 16, 2002
it's always garbled. my wife said she heard 'ok' come out of my computer once when i wasn't in the room. ya, stock antenna. guess it's time to get/make something better.

it seems like when i force it to invert it there are more errors but i can try that again

PuTTY riot fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Mar 23, 2014

Dijkstra
May 21, 2002

if you get more errors then it's probably not inverted, especially if your wife heard it normally once. just leave the default settings.

yeah those stock antennas are garbage


if you have any spare coax and some wire laying around you can just make a dipole for UHF or VHF with the spare wire. you can even use TV cable (75 ohm) for the feedline. no need to use rg-8 for just receiving. just cut the wire pieces to length using the normal formula and solder one to the center conductor and the other to the shield like you would an HF dipole. use some electrical tape to insulate the center from the shield etc. tape the dipole up in a window vertically and it will probably be a huge improvement over the stock antenna

you'll just need to adapt the F connector to the cable that goes to the dongle if you use TV coax. radio shack or ebay will have F adapters

PuTTY riot
Nov 16, 2002
does seeing privacy enabled in dmrdecoder fly by mean they're using encryption?


google says yes, so does my gut instinct about this PD...

PuTTY riot fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Mar 23, 2014

Dijkstra
May 21, 2002

yep. that's probably the issue then

does it always fly by or just sometimes? IIRC it can be switched on and off by the radio's user

PuTTY riot
Nov 16, 2002

Dijkstra posted:

yep. that's probably the issue then

does it always fly by or just sometimes? IIRC it can be switched on and off by the radio's user

sometimes, i'm seeing that in dmrdecoder which seems to handle it a little better.



dmrdecoder posted:

CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Last fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
Group Address : 450001 Source Address : 9305
Service Options : Non-emergency/Privacy Enabled/No priority
Group Voice Channel User LC
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Terminator with LC
CACH : TACT Ch 1 First fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Idle
CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
Group Address : 450001 Source Address : 9305
Service Options : Non-emergency/Privacy Enabled/No priority
Group Voice Channel User LC
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Terminator with LC
CACH : TACT Ch 1 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
9:56:20 AM Short LC : Act_Updt - Group voice activity on BS time slot 1 Hashed Addr 23 : No activity on BS time slot 2
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Idle
CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Last fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
Group Address : 450001 Source Address : 9305
Service Options : Non-emergency/Privacy Enabled/No priority
Group Voice Channel User LC
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Terminator with LC
CACH : TACT Ch 1 First fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Idle
CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
Group Address : 450001 Source Address : 9305
Service Options : Non-emergency/Privacy Enabled/No priority
Group Voice Channel User LC
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Terminator with LC
CACH : TACT Ch 1 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
9:56:20 AM Short LC : Act_Updt - Group voice activity on BS time slot 1 Hashed Addr 23 : No activity on BS time slot 2
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Idle
CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Last fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
Group Address : 450001 Source Address : 9305
Service Options : Non-emergency/Privacy Enabled/No priority
Group Voice Channel User LC
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Terminator with LC
CACH : TACT Ch 1 First fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Idle
CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
CACH : TACT Ch 1 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame - Error !
9:56:20 AM Short LC : Act_Updt - Group voice activity on BS time slot 1 Hashed Addr 23 : No activity on BS time slot 2
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Idle
CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Last fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
Group Address : 450001 Source Address : 9305
Service Options : Non-emergency/Privacy Enabled/No priority
Group Voice Channel User LC
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Terminator with LC
CACH : TACT Ch 1 First fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Idle
CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
Group Address : 450001 Source Address : 9305
Service Options : Non-emergency/Privacy Enabled/No priority
Group Voice Channel User LC
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Terminator with LC
CACH : TACT Ch 1 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
9:56:20 AM Short LC : Act_Updt - Group voice activity on BS time slot 1 Hashed Addr 23 : No activity on BS time slot 2
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Idle
CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Last fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
Group Address : 450001 Source Address : 1000
Service Options : Non-emergency/Privacy Enabled/No priority
Group Voice Channel User LC
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Voice LC Header
CACH : TACT Ch 1 First fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Idle
CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
Group Address : 450001 Source Address : 1000
Service Options : Non-emergency/Privacy Enabled/No priority
Group Voice Channel User LC
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Voice LC Header
CACH : TACT Ch 1 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
9:56:20 AM Short LC : Act_Updt - Group voice activity on BS time slot 1 Hashed Addr 23 : No activity on BS time slot 2
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Idle
CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Last fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
001000010001000000000001001001100110111101011111011110110000011011011101110100011010011100011101
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 PI Header
CACH : TACT Ch 1 First fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Idle
CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
CACH : TACT Ch 1 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Voice Frame (BS)
9:56:20 AM Short LC : Act_Updt - Group voice activity on BS time slot 1 Hashed Addr 23 : No activity on BS time slot 2
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Idle
CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Last fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
EMB : Colour Code 7 : First fragment of LC
CACH : TACT Ch 1 First fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Voice Frame with Embedded Signalling
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Idle
CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
EMB : Colour Code 7 : Continuation fragment of LC
CACH : TACT Ch 1 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Voice Frame with Embedded Signalling
9:56:20 AM Short LC : Act_Updt - Group voice activity on BS time slot 1 Hashed Addr 23 : No activity on BS time slot 2
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Idle
CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Last fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
CACH : TACT Ch 1 First fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Embedded Frame - Error !
CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Data Frame - Error !
EMB : Colour Code 7 : Last fragment of LC
CACH : TACT Ch 1 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:20 AM DMR Voice Frame with Embedded Signalling
9:56:21 AM Short LC : Act_Updt - Group voice activity on BS time slot 1 Hashed Addr 23 : No activity on BS time slot 2
Slot Type : Colour Code 7 Idle
CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Last fragment of LC
9:56:21 AM DMR Data Frame (BS)
9:56:21 AM Embedded Single Block LC : 00000101000000110000101000000011
EMB : Colour Code 7 : Single fragment LC
CACH : TACT Ch 1 First fragment of LC
9:56:21 AM DMR Voice Frame with Embedded Signalling
CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:21 AM DMR Data Frame - Error !
CACH : TACT Ch 1 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:21 AM DMR Voice Frame (BS)
9:56:21 AM Short LC : Act_Updt - Group voice activity on BS time slot 1 Hashed Addr 23 : No activity on BS time slot 2
CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Last fragment of LC
9:56:21 AM DMR Data Frame - Error !
CACH : TACT Ch 1 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:21 AM DMR Embedded Frame - Error !
9:56:21 AM DMR Embedded Frame - Error !
CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:21 AM DMR Data Frame - Error !
CACH : TACT Ch 1 Continuation fragment of LC
9:56:21 AM DMR Embedded Frame - Error !
CACH : TACT AT=1 Ch 2 Last fragment of LC
9:56:21 AM DMR Data Frame - Error !


e: this is inverted enabled

Dijkstra
May 21, 2002

looks like they have encryption turned on for both those channels, at least for the time being. sucks rear end

is that your local PD?

PuTTY riot
Nov 16, 2002
Yeah it's local PD. Local FD is still analog, as is campus PD and local SD. They are all supposed to go to MSWIN p25 phase 2 soon, local FD is going to trbo first though??



maybe if i get some time later ill see if theres any MSWIN stuff i can pick up. and maybe search around for a soldering iron and F adapter

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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yeah its a disappointment when you find out they're crypting, its a really nice asset to have cop monitoring, but ya play with the hand you're dealt

I'm waiting for it to warm up a few more degrees and then we're going to try to get this Windom up in the tree a little higher. i want to play 40 and 20 meters today

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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from the amsat list - dudes are still pushing the satellites as hard as they can -

quote:

FO-29 Extreme DX Contact

Frank Griffin, K4FEG and Erich Eichmann, DK1TB report a successful contact
via FO-29 on February 14, 2014. They waited to make their announcement until
QSL cards for this DX contact had arrived on both sides. The calculated
distance between us within ± 20m was 7,538.685km. This contact rates among
the furthest on FO-29.

Frank wrote, "The only way we were able to complete this QSO was by making
full use of Erich's improvements to SatPC32 with the "frequency at
satellite" feature. We were able to take advantage of extremely brief
windows on FO-29 that only occur every 4 to 6 months. FO-29 with its
"processing elliptical orbit" walks through "footprints" that, if you do not
look for them, will come and go with out you ever knowing that such extreme
contacts are possible. Erich and I only had 3 viable orbits to try and make
this contact, the first one lasted about 105 seconds, Erich heard me Q5 but
I called to long and he hit LOS, next attempt I heard Erich but he was not
hearing his downlink and the opening was only about 55 seconds, the final
and ultimately successful attempt we had 2 minutes and 55 seconds but my
maximum elevation was just 0.1 degrees and Erich hit about 1.4 degrees at
his peak elevation."

This was not an easy contact. For example, it took almost the entire pass to
exchange calls, reports, and confirmations. Frank summarized, "I want to
thank Erich for all of the hard work he puts into SatPC32 and I can assure
you we would not have been able to make this contact without his program!"

[ANS thanks Frank Griffin, K4FEG for the above information]

Dijkstra
May 21, 2002

Goddamn

I'm on that list but I never look at the mail that comes in on it

didn't two guys just work from Cuba to Britain on FO-29?


I hope someone can get a HEO bird in the air again before too long. hearing old sat guys tell all the stories about all the DX they worked on those old russian birds is great

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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15 and 12 meters are HOT right now and i just heard ik2ycw (italy) on 10 meters

beautiful day to hang out in the carport and make the radios squawk. i got the windom up a little higher and its got bang on SWR on 40/20, only gets down to like 2:1 on 10 but i dont mind tuning that out, i dont run high power. might throw out my call a bit and see who i can pull in

Dijkstra
May 21, 2002

yah i worked Guernsey and Kazakhstan on 10m this morning barefoot


the CBers are also booming in from everywhere this morning


channel 11 is hoppin

PuTTY riot
Nov 16, 2002
what kind of soldering iron should i get? something >100w, right?

longview
Dec 25, 2006

heh.
60-80W, weller or hakko, temperature regulation matters more than power

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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it's so cool to spin through the bands and watch them go up and down

sun's setting, 40 meters is hot, just worked W1AW/4 out of tennessee, like 10 watts on my end
worked W1AW/5 out of new mexico on 15 meters too

i need to figure out a WARC antenna bad
17 and 12 are awesome chill bands



i've decided that we need to get you set up on 40 meters jello, if we both have low dipoles we can use NVIS during the afternoon and i bet make contact

save yer pennies boy

PuTTY riot
Nov 16, 2002

Jonny 290 posted:

it's so cool to spin through the bands and watch them go up and down

sun's setting, 40 meters is hot, just worked W1AW/4 out of tennessee, like 10 watts on my end
worked W1AW/5 out of new mexico on 15 meters too

i need to figure out a WARC antenna bad
17 and 12 are awesome chill bands



i've decided that we need to get you set up on 40 meters jello, if we both have low dipoles we can use NVIS during the afternoon and i bet make contact

save yer pennies boy

i'm down. i've got power out by the pool not to far from some trees so i could not spend so much on coax. i'll figure something out. wife will let me spend a little on a real radio once we get settled. for now my time is being spent trying to decide if we want to bamboo floor the entire house or leave lovely floors in and just replace carpet and dumb poo poo like that so i'm sure when that day comes we'll have plenty to chat about.

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

get a metcal

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.
I found a pair of old "FM/VHF/UHF" LNAs that have F connectors and plug into the wall. One of them has a gain dial and an "FM trap" switch which I'm assuming toggles an 88-108mhz bandpass filter. How likey are these to do anything of note if I hook them up to my upcoming RTLSDR dongle?

longview
Dec 25, 2006

heh.

Bloody posted:

get a metcal

Wisdom

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

quote:

Two Geostationary Ham Radio Transponders

AMSAT-DL President, Peter Guelzow DB2OS, has confirmed there will be two amateur radio transponders on the Geostationary Es’hail 2 satellite planned to launch at the end of 2016

Peter Guelzow DB2OS has provided the following information:

Es’HailSat-2 will carry two geostationary “Phase 4” amateur radio transponders !!

As a result of a concept proposed by the Qatar Amateur Radio Society, Es’ Hailsat, the Qatar Satellite Company, have announced that their new, geostationary, Es’HailSat-2 communications spacecraft will provide transponders for use by radio amateurs. The spacecraft is expected to be ready for launch by the end of 2016.

Es’HailSat-2 will provide a 250 kHz linear transponder intended for conventional analogue (e.g. SSB / CW) operations in addition to another transponder which will have an 8 MHz bandwidth. The latter transponder is intended for experimental digital modulation schemes and DVB amateur television.

Precise uplink and downlink frequencies remain to be finalized but the uplinks will be in the 2.400-2.450 GHz and the downlinks in the 10.450-10.500 GHz amateur satellite service allocations.

Both transponders will have broad beam antennas to provide full coverage over about 1/3rd of the earth’s surface. Precise operational plans will be finalised over the coming months but it is anticipated that only quite simple ground equipment will be required to use this satellite.

A team of amateurs, led by Peter Guelzow DB2OS (President of AMSAT-DL) are providing technical support to this ground breaking project which is expected to provide an exciting new phase of activity for radio amateurs for the 21st century.

wow.

Basically you save money on tracking hardware that you have to spend on link budget. But preamps and amps are easier to deal with than rotators.

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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Oh and here's a DLL that lets you use a RTLSDR in direct sampling mode through 20 meters. http://www.rtl-sdr.com/direct-sampling-mode-hardware-modifcations/
e: and so I don't spam too much, looks like W1AW moved to New Mexico, Tennessee and Guam this weekend, and I got the first two :D

Jonny 290 fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Mar 24, 2014

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast

Jonny 290 posted:

e: and so I don't spam too much, looks like W1AW moved to New Mexico, Tennessee and Guam this weekend, and I got the first two :D

great now youre gonna get letters constantly begging you to support them

PuTTY riot
Nov 16, 2002
some guy sent me a letter w/ a bunch of ARRL stuff should i join?

also are qtari sats gonna reach north america i wonder? either way mega cool

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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eh, i dunno on the arrl. theyve always been traditionalists, but they are our lobbyists to preserve spectrum, too. lately it is rumored that they are in the pocket of wideband digital vendors and that's the push to reform the HF digital regs, but i dunno for sure. if anybody wants to ramble on the arrl feel free




on the sats, yeah it all depends on what orbital slot they get. neat fact: geosynchronous satellite positions are HOTLY contested over. you only have a certain number of slots in the geosynchronous orbit, you can't pack the satellites in too densely or they interfere with each other. they'd be mad if they didn't cover at least north america and europe

PuTTY riot
Nov 16, 2002

PuTTY riot
Nov 16, 2002
probably a cheap slot bein over middle of africa and all

Dijkstra
May 21, 2002

Yeah I was gonna post that map


looks like you will have to go to Brasil to use this thing

oh well, it's a start


re: ARRL, they are good for preserving spectrum even if they are trying to turn ham radio into an emcomm whacker "look at my super $8,000 go-kit I will never use" cult

also I dunno about this stuff about changing the digital rules. i've been in an number of CW qsos only to have some asswipe's winlink poo poo fire up on top of it. afaik most of the automated digital stuff is supposed to check to see if the frequency is being used before it starts but seems like everyone just disables that feature

if they started using more bandwidth and creeping further down into the CW bands I might go all grumpy greybeard and start ranting about the ARRL like that smelly old guy at your club meeting

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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fired up a cw trainer this morning. oh god im so rusty

im going to do an hour or two a day till i can plug in a fkn paddle and gogogogo

longview
Dec 25, 2006

heh.
ordered some LT product samples for microwave mixers, integrated PLLs and IQ modulators, hoping to set up a block schematic for a 23cm FM transmitter tomorrow

then later i can build a receiver with similar parts, and integrate the design into a 23cm transceiver with a DV-RPTR for 23cm d-star and run my own repeater

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan
what's the superbowl? i'm having a lot of trouble googling it

this owns tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRTab_MZJ_A

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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channel six is the super bowl. that's where you go with your twelve "pill" (transistor) amp and try to talk over everybody eles


im tuned into the utwente.nl SDR today, just parking it on 40 meter CW and trying to find the slower speed ops. It's a really good challenge even just trying to copy CQ calls as there are ninety countries (and prefixes) you can hear over there.

i really have a burning urge to get into cw now because it means simple transmitters

lol longview you're so fuckin far past me, here i am lookin at 2n2222a 40m cw kits

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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oh yeah and bad fists are driving me CRAZY. put away the straight key if you can't control it for fucks sake

graph
Nov 22, 2006

aaag peanuts

Jonny 290 posted:

channel six is the super bowl. that's where you go with your twelve "pill" (transistor) amp and try to talk over everybody eles


im tuned into the utwente.nl SDR today, just parking it on 40 meter CW and trying to find the slower speed ops. It's a really good challenge even just trying to copy CQ calls as there are ninety countries (and prefixes) you can hear over there.

i really have a burning urge to get into cw now because it means simple transmitters

lol longview you're so fuckin far past me, here i am lookin at 2n2222a 40m cw kits

i have literally 0 idea what any of this means :allears:

longview
Dec 25, 2006

heh.
a guy at work (former RF engineer) commented that most of ham radio these days is basically guys buying cellphones and saying "hi, can you hear me?" "yeah" "sweet, bye", and that real hams used to build all their own equipment

and he's kind of right, at least for parts of the hobby, so i decided to start doing more hard core tech stuff since i already have access to the hardware and brainware to do it (despite being slightly biased against hams he's also extremely helpful)

of course the problem with turning ham radio into an RF-engineer only type of hobby is that it would die out completely, so i like the idea of getting more casual users in on it too, despite my personal interest being largely about the technology

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Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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longview posted:

a guy at work (former RF engineer) commented that most of ham radio these days is basically guys buying cellphones and saying "hi, can you hear me?" "yeah" "sweet, bye", and that real hams used to build all their own equipment

and he's kind of right, at least for parts of the hobby, so i decided to start doing more hard core tech stuff since i already have access to the hardware and brainware to do it (despite being slightly biased against hams he's also extremely helpful)


no you're right, the number of times that i've heard dudes on the local repeaters "go down to the six meters" because they have that GEE FIVE ARR VEE with the AUTOTUNER IN THEIR YAY-ZOO and it'll tune up on six!

these dudes are the guys that run on 146.500. not 146.49. not 146.505. 146.500. drives me insane

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