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Thoogsby
Nov 18, 2006

Very strong. Everyone likes me.
two beats i made today, one more experimental and the others kind of a boom bap head nodder
https://soundcloud.com/gooberss/duckwood
https://soundcloud.com/gooberss/now-thats-what

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renderful
Mar 24, 2003

You'll love me, I promise.
128 really? The DJ sets I see live are most often above 140 bpm

Lump Shaker
Nov 20, 2001
128 is really common with techno, even 125. Probably house too. Waffle what kind of track are you looking for?

WAFFLEHOUND
Apr 26, 2007
I'm mainly looking for something with a bassline that hits like this and is at house tempos without sounding weird and jilted.

Thoogsby
Nov 18, 2006

Very strong. Everyone likes me.

WAFFLEHOUND posted:

I'm mainly looking for something with a bassline that hits like this and is at house tempos without sounding weird and jilted.

mat zo - bipolar ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7LopClGXac

starting at 3:19

WAFFLEHOUND
Apr 26, 2007
That's just plucks on 16ths though, I mean something that's acting pretty much solely as a bassline.

Thoogsby
Nov 18, 2006

Very strong. Everyone likes me.

WAFFLEHOUND posted:

That's just plucks on 16ths though, I mean something that's acting pretty much solely as a bassline.

maybe something like this, might fit into the slow category though
http://www1.zippyshare.com/v/92778494/file.html

WAFFLEHOUND
Apr 26, 2007
That's not really a rolling bassline though, it's more of a tech-house rising sub.

Thoogsby
Nov 18, 2006

Very strong. Everyone likes me.

WAFFLEHOUND posted:

That's not really a rolling bassline though, it's more of a tech-house rising sub.

Ummet Ozcan comes to mind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taBnNbXcb-o

WAFFLEHOUND
Apr 26, 2007

Definitely has a rolling bassline going on at the start, crank the filter open a little bit more and that's the sweet spot. Nice find, I'm glad to see it can be done.

a foolish pianist
May 6, 2007

(bi)cyclic mutation

Maybe something like Weirdo's Photic Zone? Or maybe the origin unknown mix of Tough at the Top, but slowed a bit? The latter is what I really imagine when I hear the phrase 'rolling bassline.'

wayfinder
Jul 7, 2003
There's a rolling-type bassline at 128 bpm in this: https://soundcloud.com/wayfu/wayfinder-field-of-mine

ejstheman
Feb 11, 2004
I wanted to duck mids and highs in a backing track, but not lows in the same track, in response to a guitar. What I ended up doing in Ableton was making two identical audio tracks, each with an EQ Three on it. I used the kill switches to let through lows on one track, and mids/highs on the other. The latter got a compressor with sidechain input post-fx from the guitar track. It worked OK, but felt a little awkward. Is there a "right" way to do this? On a somewhat related note, is it possible to set up equalizers on duplicate tracks so that you have two (or more) signals that add up to exactly the original signal? It seems like that wouldn't happen in general, due to the way crossovers roll off, but it should be possible with DSP somehow.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



ejstheman posted:

Is there a "right" way to do this?
There are some multiband compressors with selective sidechaining (Waves C6, Vengeance Multiband Sidechain2), which is a proper way to do it. What you did is perfectly allright though.

ejstheman posted:

On a somewhat related note, is it possible to set up equalizers on duplicate tracks so that you have two (or more) signals that add up to exactly the original signal? It seems like that wouldn't happen in general, due to the way crossovers roll off, but it should be possible with DSP somehow.
Mathematically identical, I don't know. Maybe with an FFT based filter or something. But the roll off of normal equalizers or filters isn't a problem if the frequency and the roll off are identical in both directions. You wouldn't necessarily hear a difference when both are summed together again. I mean, that's how multiband processors work internally anyway.

e. Wait, I'm missing something here and that is how to space the points apart so you wouldn't end up with a bumped up frequency zone, right? In some implementations of eq it's not evident to calculate what the proper counterpoint is, which is why you were asking in the first place. Multiband processors do this automatically, so you could use them to split up your signal in frequency bands (without any other processing if you like).

I'm rambling, and I'm not sure this is helpful anymore, so never mind, sorry :shobon:

Flipperwaldt fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Mar 9, 2014

ynohtna
Feb 16, 2007

backwoods compatible
Illegal Hen

ejstheman posted:

I wanted to duck mids and highs in a backing track, but not lows in the same track, in response to a guitar. What I ended up doing in Ableton was making two identical audio tracks, each with an EQ Three on it. I used the kill switches to let through lows on one track, and mids/highs on the other. The latter got a compressor with sidechain input post-fx from the guitar track. It worked OK, but felt a little awkward. Is there a "right" way to do this?

Dynamic EQ plug-ins are easier to configure than ad hoc multi-band compression.

ejstheman posted:

On a somewhat related note, is it possible to set up equalizers on duplicate tracks so that you have two (or more) signals that add up to exactly the original signal? It seems like that wouldn't happen in general, due to the way crossovers roll off, but it should be possible with DSP somehow.

Paired lowpass and highpass Linkwitz-Riley filters mathematically sum back to the source signal. I know there's a few crossover VSTs out there - also some EQs which support LR filter implementations - but I'm away from music laptop right now.

ejstheman
Feb 11, 2004

Flipperwaldt posted:

There are some multiband compressors with selective sidechaining (Waves C6, Vengeance Multiband Sidechain2), which is a proper way to do it. What you did is perfectly allright though.
Mathematically identical, I don't know. Maybe with an FFT based filter or something. But the roll off of normal equalizers or filters isn't a problem if the frequency and the roll off are identical in both directions. You wouldn't necessarily hear a difference when both are summed together again. I mean, that's how multiband processors work internally anyway.

e. Wait, I'm missing something here and that is how to space the points apart so you wouldn't end up with a bumped up frequency zone, right? In some implementations of eq it's not evident to calculate what the proper counterpoint is, which is why you were asking in the first place. Multiband processors do this automatically, so you could use them to split up your signal in frequency bands (without any other processing if you like).

I'm rambling, and I'm not sure this is helpful anymore, so never mind, sorry :shobon:

No, I think we're thinking of the same thing. The way I understand HP/LP filters is that they have some transition frequency, conventionally defined as the frequency at which the filter attenuates by 3dB, and broadly speaking, they pass one side and roll off the other side at x dB/octave. So if you have a HP and an LP both set to F, the HP passes F at 50% or -3dB, and so does the LP, so the signal is back to 100% there. But at 2F, the HP passes the signal at 100% and the LP passes it at -3-x dB, however many percent that turns out to be (not 0%, certainly). So they add to more than 100% at the same gain level that gives 100% at F. Same for F/2. Making x really large would minimize this effect, or maybe there's some clever thing you can do where the filters aren't set to exactly the same frequency. That was what I was curious about. From what you two are saying, it sounds like the reason I couldn't find a better way to do what I wanted to do was that I need another plugin. What would you recommend for 64-bit Windows?

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



ejstheman posted:

No, I think we're thinking of the same thing.
We are and I just didn't think it through first time around so a bunch of useless crud slipped in.

ynohtna's suggestion for a crossover plugin is good, but the only thing that really pops up on Google for me is a 32bit one called Crossover.

But multiband compressors innately have those magic ratios built into them for your convenience. You can disable the compressor part for all the bands by setting the threshold to 0dB and the compression ratio to 1 and you are left with a crossover plugin. Most multiband compressors will allow you to mute and unmute bands, so you can use the same settings on all tracks and just mute and unmute different bands.

Most DAWs will have a native multiband compressor plugin. Though I've noticed Cubase's doesn't have the mute buttons for example. I'm a fan of the GVST plugins in general and the dude went through the trouble to update them to 64 bit, so why not GMulti.

There are probably smarter ways still, but this is how I would do it.

ejstheman
Feb 11, 2004
I'm looking at GMulti right now and it doesn't seem to be sidechainable. Would the sort of application I was describing normally be accomplished with post-mix multiband dynamics instead of a sidechain?

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



ejstheman posted:

I'm looking at GMulti right now and it doesn't seem to be sidechainable. Would the sort of application I was describing normally be accomplished with post-mix multiband dynamics instead of a sidechain?
I'm suggesting it strictly as a replacement for the EQ Threes in your original workflow, nothing more. It's an answer to this question:

ejstheman posted:

On a somewhat related note, is it possible to set up equalizers on duplicate tracks so that you have two (or more) signals that add up to exactly the original signal?
Which is why I suggest using a multiband compressor as a crossover with the compressor bits disabled.

Otherwise you'll have to look in to the sidechainable multiband compressors like Waves C6 or Vengeance Multiband Sidechain˛. (Respectively $250 RRP, on $89 sale now and $140 RRP) I don't know of any others.

They probably do exactly what you want them to do, but I'm just googling that sort of thing as I go; I've never used anything like that because I prefer the hassle of the ghetto-rear end setup with multiple tracks over the hassle of dealing with copy protection dongles.

So, sorry to have just added to the confusion, I've been on my own journey of discovery here to find out how I would solve that question and I still end up with something that's not a lot different from what you started with.

ejstheman
Feb 11, 2004
Oh, that's my mistake, then. I thought you were generally explaining how it worked and not suggesting a specific workflow.

ashgromnies
Jun 19, 2004
I'm trying to get my live setup together; can anyone recommend a small analog mixer(4-6 channels) with cue support so I can listen to things/get them right in my headphones before torturing everyone else?

WAFFLEHOUND
Apr 26, 2007
If someone could teach me how to make this bassline I'd probably be like, the happiest person ever. I keep ending up with it being too low frequency and a drat mess.

wayfinder
Jul 7, 2003

WAFFLEHOUND posted:

If someone could teach me how to make this bassline I'd probably be like, the happiest person ever. I keep ending up with it being too low frequency and a drat mess.

I have a similar patch in my upcoming soundbank for Massive: https://soundcloud.com/wayfu/wayfinder-massive-soundset-1

You take a saw and a tri, both tuned to the same pitch. Filter the saw with a percussive envelope, apply the same envelope to the tri's amp (but don't filter it). edit: You'll want the oscillators synced. Some light distortion, too.

The pattern that plays is straight 16th notes, except for the on-kick which is left out.

wayfinder fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Mar 20, 2014

Blowdryer
Jan 25, 2008
It's been a little since I've posted but I've just been doing some stuff for the label and fun. Vocal samples are still the hardest thing to find.

A free track that was gonna be a remix but they didn't wanna use it so yeah!
https://soundcloud.com/swanconnley/no-more-free-dl-cuz-i-luh-u

aaaand this is the first time I've ever tried to make dubstep. It's just a demo but I think it's fun.
https://soundcloud.com/swanconnley/whered-u-go

wayfinder
Jul 7, 2003
Well, I fleshed out the little psy loop into a small demo for my soundset: https://soundcloud.com/wayfu/wayfinder-massive-soundset-psy/s-WQVBl

No external processing, only Massive :)

iostream.h
Mar 14, 2006
I want your happy place to slap you as it flies by.

I'm guessing some of you guys might be the best resource for this dumbass question:

I'm primarily a guitarist and I do a lot of my own recording using Logic Pro X and Pro Tools 11.
I've been looking at expanding my drum track capabilities as well as adding some extra control surface functionality.

I tried an Akai MPC-Studio and it was 'meh', kind of clunky and the control surface buttons COULD be mapped to whatever I wanted in each DAW but it was a pain and never worked right.

I've read that the Korg PadKontrol is supposed to be a really nice set of pads but I'm also looking at the NI Maschine products. They're each tempting in their own way and I was curious to hear some opinions.

ashgromnies
Jun 19, 2004
Maschine is great but you're paying mainly for the software. If you just want pads and not a beatstation, don't get it.

edit: I see you want to "expand your drum capabilities" -- it's a very capable drum machine for sure.

Here's something I made in Maschine and Ableton over the past day: https://soundcloud.com/seesub-1/grey-planet-demo/s-b9CgP not complete yet but I like it so far :) kind of dark acidy dubby techno?

renderful
Mar 24, 2003

You'll love me, I promise.

ashgromnies posted:

Here's something I made in Maschine and Ableton over the past day: https://soundcloud.com/seesub-1/grey-planet-demo/s-b9CgP not complete yet but I like it so far :) kind of dark acidy dubby techno?

Dig the gently caress out of this. Monolake vibes between the bpm/rhythm and pad.

Hels
May 26, 2003
Just put up some four tracks I've finished over the past few months and was hoping someone could listen to all of them and tell me which they think is best. I want to enter the Untz Challenge competition (http://www.theuntz.com/the-untz-challenge-v) but want some fresh ears. God knows I probably won't win but it's worth a shot! https://soundcloud.com/azurebellmusic

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Hels posted:

Just put up some four tracks I've finished over the past few months and was hoping someone could listen to all of them and tell me which they think is best. I want to enter the Untz Challenge competition (http://www.theuntz.com/the-untz-challenge-v) but want some fresh ears. God knows I probably won't win but it's worth a shot! https://soundcloud.com/azurebellmusic
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Is how I'd rank them. The two I ranked lowest just seem to disappear in the background for me. That's not always bad, but I think in a competition you want to grab someone's attention.

01-03 does the best attention grabbing thing with "hey, here's a verse type thing, wait for it, here's a chorus-y bit" versus a more groove/deconstruction break structure for the others. On top of that, it also has the most interesting groove rhythmically, in my opinion.

Digi_Kraken
Sep 4, 2011
Someone should make some Jungle tracks with me. Jungle kicks rear end.

Hels
May 26, 2003

Flipperwaldt posted:

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Is how I'd rank them. The two I ranked lowest just seem to disappear in the background for me. That's not always bad, but I think in a competition you want to grab someone's attention.

01-03 does the best attention grabbing thing with "hey, here's a verse type thing, wait for it, here's a chorus-y bit" versus a more groove/deconstruction break structure for the others. On top of that, it also has the most interesting groove rhythmically, in my opinion.

Thank you so much! Really helpful :)

Thoogsby
Nov 18, 2006

Very strong. Everyone likes me.
sadbeats all the time
https://soundcloud.com/gooberss

Lump Shaker
Nov 20, 2001

ashgromnies posted:

Maschine is great but you're paying mainly for the software. If you just want pads and not a beatstation, don't get it.

edit: I see you want to "expand your drum capabilities" -- it's a very capable drum machine for sure.

Here's something I made in Maschine and Ableton over the past day: https://soundcloud.com/seesub-1/grey-planet-demo/s-b9CgP not complete yet but I like it so far :) kind of dark acidy dubby techno?

Cool. Some nice deep sounds.

Number Two Stunna
Nov 8, 2009

FUCK

Griff Lee posted:

Someone should make some Jungle tracks with me. Jungle kicks rear end.

whats your soundcloud and what daw do you use?

Blowdryer
Jan 25, 2008
Does this sound like 90s house?! https://soundcloud.com/swanconnley/our-house-2/s-y03c6

Still over here trying to make the same type of song for like 9 months, feel like I'm making progress hahaha.

Blowdryer fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Mar 24, 2014

Quincy Smallvoice
Mar 18, 2006

Bitches leave

Blowdryer posted:

Does this sound like 90s house?! https://soundcloud.com/swanconnley/our-house-1/s-j01Om

Still over here trying to make the same type of song for like 9 months, feel like I'm making progress hahaha.

Sort of. Definitely hearing some 90's strictly rhythm influences here (Morillo, Little Louie Vega etc..).. Get that low end under control though.

a foolish pianist
May 6, 2007

(bi)cyclic mutation

Sounds a lot like Deep Dish - Chocolate City (Love Songs) to me. That's solid 90s house.

Digi_Kraken
Sep 4, 2011

Number Two Stunna posted:

whats your soundcloud and what daw do you use?


https://soundcloud.com/spooky-griff

and I use Ableton

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Quincy Smallvoice
Mar 18, 2006

Bitches leave
Bitwig is finally out

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