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Ulfhednar posted:It came from tumblr drat it. I like this.
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Galler posted:What economy sedan engines (which was the purpose of that engine) were significantly better than the 3800 during the mid 90s to early 00s to the point that the 3800 could be considered as terrible as claimed? The Nissan, Toyota, and Honda (and even the Mitsubishi) V6s were all much better, as was the big inline six Ford used in the AU Falcon.
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Mar 25, 2014 06:20
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In what ways? I'm being serious I have no knowledge about any of those so I want to know what I'm missing. This thread is literally the first time I've ever heard people not raving about the 3800 or 4.0 let alone hating on them. e: trying to find these competing engines but most of what I'm finding are either way lower in torque or much newer and many were only used in vehicles I've never heard of. Galler fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Mar 25, 2014 |
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Mar 25, 2014 06:36
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Terrible Robot posted:I count 12 plastic chain-guides, This thread is a goldmine of Audi-isms. (Audism?)  quote:It's not your chain, its the Tensioners / Guides quote:The Camshaft Adjustment is hydraulically adjusted and controlled by the engine oil pressure. If the engine has been turned off for a long time, the oil pressure drops down and the oil partially flows back into the oil sump. To ensure an efficient camshaft adjustment right after an engine cold start, the oil pressure inside the camshaft adjusters must be built up as fast as possible. During this time, a rattle or knocking noise may be noticeable. quote:Based on the list prices above the Total Cost of a complete overhaul for PARTS ONLY (No Tools) will be: Bonus: 
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Mar 25, 2014 06:37
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 I'm getting flashbacks to the chain guides breaking on my VR6. 
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Mar 25, 2014 06:45
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You know it would be almost forgivable to have that Rube Goldberg contraption of chains and tensioners on the back of the engine if it would last for 150-200,000 miles. But since it's Audi, you know damned well they're good for 50k tops.
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Mar 25, 2014 06:46
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My aunt's A6 has like 100k and I just drove it across the country with her. I think I'll recommend she replace it sooner rather than later.
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Mar 25, 2014 07:00
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That line about the tensioners makes me giggle, because it's as if they are purposely being obtuse about the flaw of the design. I'm not stoked about taking off the engine to replace the chains or whatever caused that horrible racket. Actually, it's not the chains, that's never happened. It might be a tensioner, though. So, I don't have to pull the engine out? Not to pull out the chains, because they're not broken.
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Mar 25, 2014 07:06
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Slavvy posted:Oh yes, they're poo poo, but they limp along forever and ever and ever. They just have no power, no torque, no economy and basically nothing good about them at all aside from longevity and toughness. They're like GM's version of the Jeep I6. Until random components just start making GBS threads themselves all at once I drove a 94 Series 1 VR wagon as a pizza hut delivery car... The starter, alternator, power steering pump and a couple of pulleys all poo poo the bed within a couple of weeks of each other Though with extractors, shift kit, 2.5" straight through and an LSD centre it was maybe pushing the other stock parts a little hard... Please forgive me for doing such things to a family car, in my defense it had no bodykit and was just on factory steelies
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Mar 25, 2014 07:47
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Mayor Poopenmayer posted:Until random components just start making GBS threads themselves all at once That's less '3800's suck' and more 'commodores in general are way shittier than their owners and popular myth would lead you to believe'. Also, people mentioning the now-legendary toyota F engine: it's a license-built metric copy of the chevy stovebolt 235. Everyone who moans about American reliability vs Japanese cars needs to know this.
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Mar 25, 2014 09:00
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Ulfhednar posted:It came from tumblr Honest to god i thought this was a chunk of Rebar from the thumbnail...
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Mar 25, 2014 09:14
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Mar 25, 2014 10:15
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http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CUSTOM-1990-FORD-LASER-/281291881629?roken=3ckL2H The original 'builder' of this turd used to drive it around my town blasting Nickelback. It was pretty funny.
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Mar 25, 2014 11:53
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Lurch posted:http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CUSTOM-1990-FORD-LASER-/281291881629?roken=3ckL2H  "Hey, Skull? Whatcha thinking about?" "SKRAAAAAAAA!"
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Mar 25, 2014 11:59
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Slavvy posted:That's less '3800's suck' and more 'commodores in general are way shittier than their owners and popular myth would lead you to believe'. Good point
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Mar 25, 2014 12:44
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They could be just building them better - that's what their manufacturing process is about.
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Mar 25, 2014 13:34
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If there's a way to make the colors reflect my emotion I'm down.
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Mar 25, 2014 13:57
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Bitchtard posted:If there's a way to make the colors reflect my emotion I'm down. If you drive around other people, just put in red bulbs and you're done. No need for the rest of the spectrum.
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Mar 25, 2014 14:03
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Slavvy posted:Also, people mentioning the now-legendary toyota F engine: it's a license-built metric copy of the chevy stovebolt 235. Everyone who moans about American reliability vs Japanese cars needs to know this. When people in 2014 moan about American vs Japanese reliability they're not talking about truck engines from the 1950s.
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Mar 25, 2014 14:06
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Everyday Lurker posted:Explains why anything GM makes involving four cylinders turns out to be unadulterated poo poo. Iron Duke/Tech4, anyone?
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Mar 25, 2014 15:08
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Falken posted:What I want to know is how much replacing all that will cost when the time comes for a service. $3k usually.
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Mar 25, 2014 15:10
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iirc something like 7-8 grand including labor. Can't do it yourself? Haha, sucks to be you. It's 2-3k for just the parts kits, not including any of the special dealer tools, as someone already posted. I saw what was apparently a 2009 Pontiac Vibe on my way to work this morning. My immediate reaction was that it looks like an obese Prius, at least from the back.
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Mar 25, 2014 15:13
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Slavvy posted:That's less '3800's suck' and more 'commodores in general are way shittier than their owners and popular myth would lead you to believe'. In the 1980s-1990s, Mazda was building Ford transmissions under contract and Ford realized that the Mazda sourced transmissions were having less warranty replacements than the Ford units. Ford did an analysis and found out that Mazda was manufacturing process was 11 sigma quality (using up 27% of the available tolerance. Ford was using up ~90%) Reliability isn't just about how good the design is, it's about how well you can build it too.
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Mar 25, 2014 15:48
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 I just link those pictures when someone asks why I didn't get an Audi. edit: Note the single $200 tensioner that books 4 hours for replacement. Das Volk fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Mar 25, 2014 |
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Mar 25, 2014 16:00
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Das Volk posted:
What I like about this one is that eventually with enough slack, the chain will rub against itself. That's brilliant design.
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Mar 25, 2014 16:08
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Everyday Lurker posted:Explains why anything GM makes involving four cylinders turns out to be unadulterated poo poo. Iron Duke/Tech4, anyone? I'm generally not convinced by the GM "indestructible engines" talking point but the 2200 OHV motor is very tough all things considered. Sure; it's not powerful, or very advanced, or refined - but it is extremely reliable in my experience.
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Mar 25, 2014 16:10
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poo poo, better slow down the guy in front's brake lights just came on. Wait, what?
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Mar 25, 2014 16:13
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The Mitsubishi 3.0L V6 in the Chrysler Vans (and some other cars) is another example of a tough (but not good, uh, at all) engine. They start burn oil and ticking around 50,000km but will run for the next 300,000. Bizarrely, most of the 80s Chrysler Vans I see running around seem to all have that V6, despite the Mitsubishi engines generally bad reputation.
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Mar 25, 2014 16:14
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animeliker posted:I'm generally not convinced by the GM "indestructible engines" talking point but the 2200 OHV motor is very tough all things considered. Sure; it's not powerful, or very advanced, or refined - but it is extremely reliable in my experience. Unless you use the OEM coolant in them, then you can say bye to your head gasket far too soon. Or try to change the spark plugs. Or... I don't know what caused it, but I did a head job on one because there was a massive crack straight from one plug bore out through the water jacket and exhaust ports to the outside of the head.
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Mar 25, 2014 16:18
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Das Volk posted:
Audi used to make nice engines...
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Mar 25, 2014 16:25
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CommieGIR posted:
They could never package anything without insane complexity.
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Mar 25, 2014 16:27
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DJ Commie posted:They could never package anything without insane complexity. Oh, c'mon now, the 20v/10v 5 Cylinder were EASY to work on and were not incredibly complex at all.
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Mar 25, 2014 16:31
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CommieGIR posted:Oh, c'mon now, the 20v/10v 5 Cylinder were EASY to work on and were not incredibly complex at all. Yeah I love those old motors. CIS-E was complicated enough for everybody, though. I sincerely wish I had understood it more before working on the old 5000 (although the melted wiring harness was proof enough that the car was boned when we found it).
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Mar 25, 2014 16:33
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Yeah I love those old motors. CIS-E was complicated enough for everybody, though. I sincerely wish I had understood it more before working on the old 5000 (although the melted wiring harness was proof enough that the car was boned when we found it).  You can actually remove all the wiring and run CIE-E without the electronics. It'll run a little more rich, but it will run just fine. Really, the only thing the E part did was improve fuel economy.
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Mar 25, 2014 16:36
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Yeah, then there must have been something else seriously screwed up with that car. Oh well, it's in Audi heaven now.
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Mar 25, 2014 16:37
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kastein posted:Unless you use the OEM coolant in them, then you can say bye to your head gasket far too soon. Or try to change the spark plugs. Or... I don't know what caused it, but I did a head job on one because there was a massive crack straight from one plug bore out through the water jacket and exhaust ports to the outside of the head. And the "whoops, that oil galley plug for the timing chain was a bit small" not-really-a-recall that they pulled in the late 90s/early 2000s.
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Mar 25, 2014 16:44
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Das Volk posted:
Wait, KRock takes automotive photos? I thought he just gave bad camera advice online?
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Mar 25, 2014 18:02
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Well, to give bad camera advice you have to use a camera so I imagine he's got lots of pictures of things. And given that he's sort of e-famous I suppose that gives him the occasional opportunity to do product shots, which is what I assume that engine is.
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Mar 25, 2014 18:06
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Reverse googled it and found this:quote:ACCREDITATION he used to have a page dedicated to poo poo talking his 540i M-sport or whatever it was before he ragequit and sold it.
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Ulfhednar posted:It came from tumblr Of course it's a Scion
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