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rjryan3 posted:But why him? Of all the people who do these internet shows about childhood memories why is tvtropes mostly focus on him? Why doesn't tvtropes have this same fixation on James Rolfe? And more importantly why the hell are they acting like the Nostalgia Critic is all about this emotional character study of the title role and not about a guy making jokes about lovely children films? He's the biggest internet critic in the world currently so he's the one who gets all the obsession. The Nerd's ship has kinda sailed. Which is kind of like being the richest busboy but whatever.
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Because there seems to be this symbiotic relationship between That Guy with the Glasses and TvTropes. TGWTG performers pay lip service to TvTropes and name drop a few tropes, and Tropers go apeshit and gobble up their content. And then they drive Hope Chapman up the wall and we got that lovely and hilarious vandalism rampage.
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rjryan3 posted:But why him? Of all the people who do these internet shows about childhood memories why is tvtropes mostly focus on him? Why doesn't tvtropes have this same fixation on James Rolfe? And more importantly why the hell are they acting like the Nostalgia Critic is all about this emotional character study of the title role and not about a guy making jokes about lovely children films? A lot of it stems from the trope Big Lipped Alligator Moment coined by the Nostalgia Chick. After that the reviewers would encourage them by intentionally using tropes. After that they would follow critic into hell.
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Mar 25, 2014 05:16
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I think part of it is that tropers see the Nostalgia Critic as someone who's "made it" on the troper lifestyle.
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corn in the bible posted:People think he's sexy and write pornographic fanfiction about him. I don't know why. My one wish is to forget that the "Hookerverse" exists.
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Mar 25, 2014 08:04
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Afraid of Audio posted:My one wish is to forget that the "Hookerverse" exists. That's not related to T.J. Hooker, is it. 
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:That's not related to T.J. Hooker, is it. Fanfic Recs: That Guy with the Glasses posted:Hookerverse by emeriin (with guest authors; dark!fic, prostitution, swearing, drugs, alcohol; link goes to masterlist) We could do an entire thread on the fandom of TGWTG.
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Ninjasaurus posted:We could do an entire thread on the fandom of TGWTG. We could, but let's not. Ignorance is bliss.
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Mar 25, 2014 10:29
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Ninjasaurus posted:We could do an entire thread on the fandom of TGWTG. You wanna know the funniest thing? A lot of TGWTG fans see Linkara, Doug, etc as above criticism which is just about the epitome of irony. Edit: I feel bad for Doug a bit. He wanted to quit the Nostalgia Critic and branch out but the fans just bitched and bitched till he practically had to do it again. Tracula fucked around with this message at 11:50 on Mar 25, 2014 |
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Mar 25, 2014 11:45
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Linkara is hilarious. Just look up Lightbringer, that poo poo is magical
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Tracula posted:Edit: I feel bad for Doug a bit. He wanted to quit the Nostalgia Critic and branch out but the fans just bitched and bitched till he practically had to do it again. He didn't go back to his old unfunny web show because the fans complaining somehow forced him to do it, he went back because nobody bothered watching his new unfunny web show and he wanted more ad money. Nothing's stopping him from walking away except the cash, if he chooses to keep going and doesn't enjoy it then, well, that's his decision. I'm not going to feel bad for him just because he can't make rent by being unfunny in his preferred manner. I do feel sorry for most of the TGWTG people just for the Talk of fan stalking brought me to the TvTropes page for Stephen King's Misery, which informed me that Annie is a "Hikikomori" because she doesn't leave the house much. From what I gather, "hikikomori" is a special ~nipponese~ type of shut-in who falls apart under their societal pressure and becomes terrified of social interaction so they just waste away in their room and everyone pretends they don't exist out of shame or something. Wikipedia says it's recognized as a big social problem in Japan so apparently it's a specific enough concept that it's not just "shut-in, but we gave it an anime name", but the way TvTropes uses it is... questionable. Music posted:The Simon & Garfunkel song "I Am A Rock" is basically the Hikikomori theme song. It's a song about affecting emotional detachment, not about- god drat stop projecting your bullshit onto everything. Literature posted:The Once-ler from Dr. Seuss's The Lorax is most definitely this, although he does tell his story for a small fee. I could have chosen any of a dozen equivalent examples. In theory "The Hermit" has a separate trope page and "Hikikomori" has a specific meaning, but in practice anyone who for any reason chooses to stay at home a lot is diagnosed as a special, specific type of anime hermit. Music posted:In the Pink Floyd album The Wall, the main character Pink shuts himself in his apartment half way through the album, after his wife leaves him. He spends maybe a day in his hotel room before the band drags him back on-stage and he starts a neo-nazi rally. By this standard I become a hikikomori when I go to sleep at night and don't talk to anyone for eight whole hours! Western Animation posted:Rapunzel in Tangled, playing true with the original fairy tale. Did the fairy tale involve Rapunzel locking herself in the tower to avoid interacting with people so she could watch anime all day? I don't remember that part. And, bringing it back to internet critics: Web Original posted:The Nostalgia Chick has been established as a pitiful shut-in... sometimes. Depends on the episode. Get out. corn in the bible posted:Linkara is hilarious. Just look up Lightbringer, that poo poo is magical Linkara is fantastic because he's the living stereotypical overweight libertarian who wears a trenchcoat and a fedora. He hits every single note. Lottery of Babylon fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Mar 25, 2014 |
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Mar 25, 2014 15:39
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Lottery of Babylon posted:hikkikomori stuff Yeah, it's a real social issue in Japan right now. People sit in their rooms and watch anime all day and just never do anything else, and eventually it kills them. That's not really comparable to "Pink got high in his room for a day" and it being a real issue makes it even more tasteless.
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Tracula posted:You wanna know the funniest thing? A lot of TGWTG fans see Linkara, Doug, etc as above criticism which is just about the epitome of irony. I remember a few years ago I set up a reviews blog to try and motivate myself to get back into writing - text only, nothing too fancy. In the year or so I ran it, I received precisely two pieces of hate mail. The first was from someone who believed that no, Punisher: War Zone wasn't a piece of poo poo and if I'd actually paid attention to it instead of sucking all that cock, I'd see it for the great action flick it really was. The other was a response to the subtitle to the blog: "Now 100% 'Wacky Character' free!". That was a tongue-in-cheek reference to the fact that every online reviewer at the time, big and small, was shoehorning in these story arcs and hijinks and shenanigans. I was bored with the way the segues were getting more attention than, y'know, the reviews themselves and how everything was just a setup for the reviewer to mug for the camera while swearing in an OTT way that stopped being funny when I turned 14. Lo and behold, someone notices this and writes me a several page email pointing out how the reviews are merely the basis for the comedy, the characters are the main focus, I don't see you doing anything that hasn't been done before, blah blah. It encapsulated everything wrong with internet celebrity reviewers and the sycophants that surround them.
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:I remember a few years ago I set up a reviews blog to try and motivate myself to get back into writing - text only, nothing too fancy. In the year or so I ran it, I received precisely two pieces of hate mail. The first was from someone who believed that no, Punisher: War Zone wasn't a piece of poo poo and if I'd actually paid attention to it instead of sucking all that cock, I'd see it for the great action flick it really was. To be fair, Punisher Warzone is one of the funniest action movies ever, if only for the parkour rocket scene.
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Improbable Lobster posted:To be fair, Punisher Warzone is one of the funniest action movies ever, if only for the parkour rocket scene. That was the one thing I freely admitted to liking, just because it came out of loving nowhere. An entire film like that and I would've given it the highest praise.
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corn in the bible posted:The funniest action movie is Hitman. Let's settle this like gentlemen. *three men drop their guns, draw katanas* Hitman is loving amazing
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corn in the bible posted:The funniest action movie is Hitman. Crank 2 and several bottles of booze.
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Ok, so I just went and actually tried to watch one of Linkara's videos. I got about 10 seconds in before his voice got too grating to take. What I'm asking is, what's the appeal? Why sperg' over something so amateurish?
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Little Blackfly posted:Ok, so I just went and actually tried to watch one of Linkara's videos. I got about 10 seconds in before his voice got too grating to take. 
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Little Blackfly posted:Ok, so I just went and actually tried to watch one of Linkara's videos. I got about 10 seconds in before his voice got too grating to take. As someone who watches Linkara, the appeal of the show is basically him mocking terrible comic books. I don't know why tvtropes is obsess over him, but at least there's an actual story in his show (a poorly written one, sure) for them to "analyze" it. The Nostalgia Critic doesn't even have that! And yet they treat it like he's the equivalent of Walter White from Breaking Bad in terms character depth instead of being just a gimmick.
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Wasen't Spoony the first one to start doing the whole "storyline within a review" thing? I think it was for Final Fantasy 8 and it was pretty much ment to be a one off thing but then when he brought in sombody to do a crossover for one of those parts it just kind of spiraled out of control. It's pretty great to watch a review of a lovely comic (which i still think Linkara does an okay job at that) and then see that a good 10+ or more minutes after the review is already over and the video isn't even more than half way done is just...ugh.
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:Wasen't Spoony the first one to start doing the whole "storyline within a review" thing? I think it was for Final Fantasy 8 and it was pretty much ment to be a one off thing but then when he brought in sombody to do a crossover for one of those parts it just kind of spiraled out of control. I feel like the early popularity of the Angry Video Game Nerd's skits lead to the other vitriolic internet reviewers that followed in his wake to add their own skits.
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:Wasen't Spoony the first one to start doing the whole "storyline within a review" thing? I think it was for Final Fantasy 8 and it was pretty much ment to be a one off thing but then when he brought in sombody to do a crossover for one of those parts it just kind of spiraled out of control. You could always watch the Game Overthinker, do you wanna watch me play 20 different characters and spend 15 minutes before I actually talk about anything?
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Improbable Lobster posted:I feel like the early popularity of the Angry Video Game Nerd's skits lead to the other vitriolic internet reviewers that followed in his wake to add their own skits. Nerd never had his own storyline at the end of every review that took up more time than the actual review did. They were just one off things related to the game he was reviewing. If anything Nerd started the "things in my room come to life and attack me" shtick.
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Little Blackfly posted:Ok, so I just went and actually tried to watch one of Linkara's videos. I got about 10 seconds in before his voice got too grating to take. Art is scary. Troping puts a protective filter between it and you. Troping about a review of art puts an almost impenetrable double layer; you don't even have to read or watch the thing they're reviewing. You can approach the ultimate nerd comfort zone: pure fandom insulated from any acknowledgement whatsoever that there's such a thing as a writer or artist. Fandom of fandom itself.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:It's a song about affecting emotional detachment, not about- god drat stop projecting your bullshit onto everything. The song does draw on the same "I don't wanna go out and face the world so I'm just gonna retreat inside myself" thing that motivates shut-ins. Their is still the problem of just calling the trope The Shut-In and not dragging Deep Understanding of Japanese Culture into it, of course.
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:It's pretty great to watch a review of a lovely comic (which i still think Linkara does an okay job at that) and then see that a good 10+ or more minutes after the review is already over and the video isn't even more than half way done is just...ugh. He's gotten better about this. I believe that he just loads the end of the review with story crap so if you want to skip it it's pretty easy. And one again, theres an irony to the fact that the guy who reviews bad comics has a story running through his show that's straight out of a bad comic.
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Apple Tree posted:Art is scary. Troping puts a protective filter between it and you. Troping about a review of art puts an almost impenetrable double layer; you don't even have to read or watch the thing they're reviewing. You can approach the ultimate nerd comfort zone: pure fandom insulated from any acknowledgement whatsoever that there's such a thing as a writer or artist. Fandom of fandom itself. I got this image in my head of Tropers using duct tape to cover up anything remotely artistic. And the duct tape has trope names written all over it so that way they don't have to see real art and be comfortable with what they know.
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Didn't Doug's fans launch some harassment campaign against Tommy Wiseau or something?
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Yep, Doug got super mad after Tommy Wiseau demanded that he take down his "hilarious" review of The Room, and so the fans started to spam Wiseau telling him that he should be grateful that the Nostalgia Critic himself deemed his movie worthy of mockery. Fun Fact: If you want to watch NC's sycophants go berserk, tell them that Kickassia (NC's horrible movie) is even worse than The Room. DoctorPresident fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Mar 26, 2014 |
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Mar 26, 2014 05:09
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Okay, if you're defending The Room to further your case against someone, you've become too obsessed with the issue.
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The Room can at least be enjoyed as a comedy. Kickassia IS a comedy. And it's terrible.
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LaughMyselfTo posted:Okay, if you're defending The Room to further your case against someone, you've become too obsessed with the issue. What are you talking about? I'm not defending The Room, I'm just saying that the guy blew it out of proportion when the director of a lovely movie asked him to stop making fun of him. Also, The Room is funnier than anything Doug Walker has ever done  e. Case in point DoctorPresident fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Mar 26, 2014 |
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Doug's fans launched the spam campaign because the Nostalgia Critic basically told them to do so. His fans are nuts, but he's not just a blameless victim of them. Can anyone figure out what World Building: Chess World page is meant to be? It's not a subpage of anything, the only text before the tropes list is "Under Construction", and the tropes list seems to describe named chess pieces in six armies (white, black, red, blue, green, and... "anti-paladin"?). Google can't find anything related to it except that page, and it's indexed under "Troper Works". Is this like the Endless Conflict thing where you make a tropes list for a story you haven't actually written, except this time they're not even pretending there's any intended story? e: Here's a small sample of another page on their World Building namespace: quote:Aigânt Tîwele II Free advice to aspiring fantasy writers: Tossing around names like "Prÿs Tîwele" doesn't make your story seem authentic, it makes it seem unreadable. Lottery of Babylon fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Mar 26, 2014 |
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Holy gently caress, I thought my text encoding was being weird, but that's literally what it says on the page. Which I might add is a "work in project."
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Can anyone figure out what World Building: Chess World page is meant to be? It's not a subpage of anything, the only text before the tropes list is "Under Construction", and the tropes list seems to describe named chess pieces in six armies (white, black, red, blue, green, and... "anti-paladin"?). Google can't find anything related to it except that page, and it's indexed under "Troper Works". Is this like the Endless Conflict thing where you make a tropes list for a story you haven't actually written, except this time they're not even pretending there's any intended story? Anyone want to place bets on how long it will be before that troper starts giving us literal original characters do not steal?
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Doug's fans launched the spam campaign because the Nostalgia Critic basically told them to do so. His fans are nuts, but he's not just a blameless victim of them. I think I broke my tongue trying to pronounce that.  Everytime I see it, my mind tries to parse and pronounce it.
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DoctorPresident posted:Yep, Doug got super mad after Tommy Wiseau demanded that he take down his "hilarious" review of The Room, and so the fans started to spam Wiseau telling him that he should be grateful that the Nostalgia Critic himself deemed his movie worthy of mockery. Eh, considering that guy who played Mark had appeared on Doug's show, and the fact that the review is back on the site, I think its safe to say they moved on.
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