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STAC Goat posted:drat, I didn't much care one way or another about Alexis but she took that bad and I feel bad. It doesn't help that I don't really understand why they went her over Jeremiah. I mean, I guess they decided he'd be of value in another challenge? Or that Tony's clue play was a con? But Spencer was so overthinking and all over the map during that episode that he got me completely confused. Did the tribe really vote out Alexis because of his "sneaky women" thing? Spencer read Alexis wrong, but I think booting her was the right move based on the information they had (although I would rather have seen Jeremiah gone). She told them straight off that she was tight with Jefra and LJ and then she geeked out when they were safe. I think basically everyone on the Aparri tribe was equally galvanized by the "Top 5" thing Tony yelled out, and I think Alexis was genuine in her interest in sticking with that tribe, but all things considered, she probably is more likely to flip than Jeremiah is.
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I would have booted Alexis too. She could talk strategy, whereas Jeremiah couldn't talk his way out of being bamboozled by a clown cop. Alexis is more dangerous and made it clear she was hella tight with Jefra and LJ; Jeremiah is not gonna do poo poo to rock the boat.
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Yeah that was pretty awful. This is only the 2nd episode of the season that I've watched (the first being J'Tia's boot) and Trish came off like a complete rear end in a top hat there. I realize that there may have been more context there that I never really saw. Poor Alexis, I just wanted to run up there and give her a hug.  Having said that, I think voting her out made the most sense for the team.
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The whole Trish/Lindsay thing didn't have much to it on tv. It just seemed like a simple personality clash. They talked behind each other's backs but that's kind of it. Trish just seems like an rear end in a top hat who couldn't resist kicking some sand in Lindsay's face and then isn't self aware enough to realize what an rear end in a top hat she is.
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Trish kept complaining about Lindsay not pulling her weight around camp. I don't know if that's true or not, nothing was really shown to support this, but Trish is awful and would be a great goat to take to the end.
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Mar 27, 2014 03:08
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I just chalked that up to Trish being a bitch since no one else seemed to have a problem with Lindsay. I always tend to default that way. If one person is complaining that you're lazy then they probably just have a problem with you. The real lazy ones usually have the whole tribe pissed off.
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I got the sense some stuff happened with Lindsay that we didn't see, based on how Jeff was treating her-- it almost seemed like a sense of relief. Maybe she ran off on her own without even telling the crew, and production was freaked out they had a missing person on a deserted island in the middle of the night. Or I'm imagining things, I don't know! I do think the Brains made the right move in getting rid of Alexis. Jefra and Alexis were probably the strongest 2-person alliance on the Beauties, and while that didn't explicitly come up in this episode I'm sure Morgan (and possibly Jeremiah) told the Brains as much. I'm kind of confused as to why everyone seems so certain the post-swap tribes will stick together at the merge. Why on earth does Woo seem complicit in sticking with his new tribe when they were directly responsible in directly voting out in closest ally, and indirectly responsible for voting out his next closest ally? Similarly, I don't see any reason Jeremiah would rather be with these guys than LJ and Jefra, who he knew for much longer.
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I can't believe that after Spencer demonstrated the proper strategy for the reward challenge in the very first round (throw your thing as high as you can and go hug the other guy), nobody used it after that, including Spencer again. Whafuck? Preview talk: No way they're actually merging next episode, right? That's gotta be a fakeout, 11 is incredibly early. CapnAndy fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Mar 27, 2014 |
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mancalamania posted:I got the sense some stuff happened with Lindsay that we didn't see, based on how Jeff was treating her-- it almost seemed like a sense of relief. Maybe she ran off on her own without even telling the crew, and production was freaked out they had a missing person on a deserted island in the middle of the night. Or I'm imagining things, I don't know! As for Woo, they might be able to steal him if a tie was lined up or something but don't you think Tony's "final five!" chant made him feel a bit more secure? Don't you think he feels better with a tribe that's telling him he's final five than he'd feel trying to defect over to a group where he knows basically no one? He'd probably be last if he jumped, staying where he is he might slot behind Tony and Trish in a final three. Or might be after LJ/Bland but there's a better opening, a little more to work with, over at his current at least.
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mancalamania posted:I got the sense some stuff happened with Lindsay that we didn't see, based on how Jeff was treating her-- it almost seemed like a sense of relief. Maybe she ran off on her own without even telling the crew, and production was freaked out they had a missing person on a deserted island in the middle of the night. Or I'm imagining things, I don't know! I also think that's why she didn't go back to the tribe to tell them she was leaving. She seemed to indicate that she was worried if she went back even just to say goodbye she'd start up with Trish again. The obvious criticism on Lindsay is that if she has such a volatile temper or hard time dealing with some people then she probably should have never put herself in this situation. Of course its also entirely possible that she didn't expect to encounter someone who pushed her buttons quite the way Trish did. She seemed to get along with everyone else completely fine so it seemed like more of a one-on-one thing than a greater personality flaw.
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If Lindsay were such a poor lil sweetheart, she wouldn't have made fun of Trish's physical attributes ever during the game. I don't care that she did, but if you're okay mocking and insulting someone, then you need to be able to take it as well. Lindsay deserved everything she got, and I'm glad she disgraced herself by quitting. And I don't even like Trish at all. I think it's fine to say you don't like someone's grating laugh, attitude, demeanor, purple underwear, etc. But start mocking their mouth, teeth, or any other physical attributes and you're not really a nice person at all.  And it didn't start after Cliff got voted out. Lindsay was mocking Trish since the beginning of the game.
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I don't think anyone is calling Lindsay an innocent victim. As far as we can tell she was talking just as much trash behind Trish's back as Trish was talking behind hers. I think the difference between the two is that Lindsay spent most of the game in the power alliance and didn't seem to spend it lording over Trish but Trish seemed to take it to Lindsay the second the tide turned and well after she was gone and it was no longer relevant. They both disliked each other and were pretty lovely about it. Lindsay said some mean poo poo. But kicking people when they're down is just a totally lovely way to be.
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I love how all of my friends who watch the show told me to shut up when I bitched about having returnees every season. I don't know anyone who watches that isn't loving this season. Now if only this season could convince the producers I was right too. But it won't. 
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STAC Goat posted:I don't think anyone is calling Lindsay an innocent victim. As far as we can tell she was talking just as much trash behind Trish's back as Trish was talking behind hers. I think the difference between the two is that Lindsay spent most of the game in the power alliance and didn't seem to spend it lording over Trish but Trish seemed to take it to Lindsay the second the tide turned and well after she was gone and it was no longer relevant. Lindsay was real nasty to Trish from the get go, openly mocking her looks, personality, age, and even the way she talked/laughed, just real nasty poo poo to the point that it made it super easy for Sarah to believe Tony's lie about Lindsay talking poo poo about her too. Trish did not start rubbing her victory in. She started saying something like "I just want to clear the air/say a couple of things" when Lindsay jumped down her throat, that's when Trish started arguing with her. Trish gloated some then and said she didn't like her but Lindsay came at her super hard with some really ugly, uncalled for poo poo. Trish may be super annoying but how anyone can take Lindsay's side in all this is beyond me.
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CapnAndy posted:I can't believe that after Spencer demonstrated the proper strategy for the reward challenge in the very first round (throw your thing as high as you can and go hug the other guy), nobody used it after that, including Spencer again. Whafuck? Preview talk Final 3 with an 8 person jury is exactly when they should be merging. The last five seasons they've merged at either 11 or 12. savinhill posted:Trish may be super annoying but how anyone can take Lindsay's side in all this is beyond me. It's because Trish is an unattractive woman and people are garbage.
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No one is taking Lindsay's side. I don't think there's a side to take. We're not children, we can recognize that both people were in the wrong. I'm saying that prior to this Council all the drama between Trish and Lindsay seemed to be behind their backs but once this happened and it came forward neither could let it go and Lindsay at least recognized that flaw in herself and pulled herself out of the situation. I'm not on "Team Lindsay". I don't think I've ever said a good word about Lindsay prior to tonight (or a bad one for that matter). I just sympathize somewhat with her reason for quitting. Sure, I dislike Trish because she's older and not super hot. Not because she came back from Council and asked the blindsided person "Who do you have with you now?" and then left an unnecessary message in the sand when she quit the game. That's also why I dislike Morgan and my favorite player was a middle aged guy.
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savinhill posted:Lindsay was real nasty to Trish from the get go, openly mocking her looks, personality, age, and even the way she talked/laughed, just real nasty poo poo to the point that it made it super easy for Sarah to believe Tony's lie about Lindsay talking poo poo about her too. Lindsay strikes me as one of those people who likes to dish it out, but can't take it when it's returned at her. So instead of just laughing it off and moving on, she ends up escalating it even more which is why she ended up removing herself from the game. I've worked with guys like that a pizza place and a simple and common example from that is throwing dough at each other. It would start with a pea sized piece of dough being softly lobbed at someone, but the return throw would be bubble gum sized and thrown with a bit of force. If the bubble gum sized piece got thrown back with equal force, a fist sized piece would then be whipped as hard as possible. TMMadman fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Mar 27, 2014 |
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savinhill posted:Lindsay was real nasty to Trish from the get go, openly mocking her looks, personality, age, and even the way she talked/laughed, just real nasty poo poo to the point that it made it super easy for Sarah to believe Tony's lie about Lindsay talking poo poo about her too. This is what happened. STAC Goat posted:Not because she came back from Council and asked the blindsided person "Who do you have with you now?" This is not what happened. As above, she came back and said she wanted to clear the air. Is it possible she would have been mean as part of that? Sure. But she didn't until Lindsay attacked her immediately. It is EXTREMELY common for the person who flips to explain themselves right after a blindside and MOST of the time the members of the tribe want to hear the reasons, hell, sometimes they demand them. This is all on Lindsay. I don't care for Trish, but I REALLY didn't like Lindsay. She was doing the Mean Girl thing the whole season and I was happy to see her bitter quitter rear end leave.
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The thread reaction to Spencer was hilarious tonight. Tony made a surprisingly clever play, in the heat of the moment Spencer misread it. That's less on him and more a credit to Tony. At the end of the day he made the right read and sent Alexis home. He's playing a solid underdog game so far, not Boston Rob level dominance. LJs edit is sure looking awfully Earl-ish. Idol in pocket and a decent alliance, he's got to be the favourite to win. I'm hoping that doesn't last, but the editors seem to be focused on building a stronger case for the winner at the expense of drama in recent seasons. I guess all the negative feedback about Samoa/South Pacific/etc got to them. Even if Sarah does stay with the Brains next week they still have to work around two idols. I'd love to see a final four of the three Brains and Sarah, but it'll take some pretty spectacular luck to catch both Tony and especially LJ off guard. Unfortunately waaaaaaaaaaay too much of this season is going to swing on who finds that post-vote Yul idol. Both Lindsay and Trish are pretty awful, glad to see the former gone and will be glad when the latter goes too.
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Mar 27, 2014 07:01
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I think the thing I particularly enjoyed about this episode is that I think everyone, outside of like Morgan, got a little confessional time. I hate when they go episodes just ignoring someone until they get voted out/make a move. This might also speak to the interest that some of the players actually have in the game. Also there's a lot of  in this thread about Alexis going home. It was hard to watch but she absolutely was the right choice to go home. She would have jumped back to LJ and Jefra so quick and she kinda dug her on grave on that one.
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I'm not sure if you guys think I'm defending Lindsay when I'm pretty sure I keep saying I'm not or if you just believe in "two wrongs make a right" as that one poster who said Lindsay got "what she deserves" seemed to. Lindsay said some nasty poo poo about Trish. Trish said some rear end in a top hat stuff about Lindsay. Most of this seemed to happen behind each other's backs but when Trish tried to address Lindsay after Council it escalated quickly. Who started it? I don't know. My memory said Trish did, you guys say Lindsay did. I could absolutely be remembering incorrectly but since I deleted my recording I can't check. Either way it doesn't really matter since "she started it" is something a child says. They were both behaving badly and treating each other badly. What ultimately makes me sympathize with one of them and dislike the other is that one seemed to remove herself from the situation so it didn't escalate further. The other (presumably, I don't actually remember if we got an indication of who left the message) took a potshot on the beach the next morning. I still don't especially like Lindsay but I actively dislike Trish, but that's been building. I'm also not sticking up for quitting. I don't think quitting is an evil thing to do or anything but I think its a shame and a waste. But in the hierarchy of quitters I'd put "I don't want to do something I'll regret" above "I'm tired of playing now." And it's entirely possible that the latter is why Lindsay quit and the prior was just an excuse, but I'm just going with that interpretation because it seemed to fit right to me. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Mar 27, 2014 |
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Getting rid of Alexis was the right move. Like a few others have mentioned, she totally telegraphed her allegiance to LJ and Jefra with her reaction to the double boot. She also seemed like she was overplaying things a bit after the tribeswap, trying to plant information here and there too often and stir the pot too much in general. Having a physical threat like Jeremiah around post-merge takes a bit more heat off the brains as well. Fast Luck posted:Tony yelling "top 5!" was hugely helpful for Sarah That poo poo was giftwrapped for her. She's in a great spot. I like her a lot, but I'm not convinced she has the strategic mind needed to finish strong. Hopefully she'll prove me wrong cuz I find myself rooting for her.
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Even if Purple had 5 players and Tony saying "Final Five" included someone from Orange, why would anyone assume it could be anyone but the lone Former-Brawn tribe member? Still though, they had five people and he yelled, "Final Five". I don't understand what's to be confused about. I think it's good Lindsay decided to quit for fear what she'd do. She may not admit that she escalated it and it wasn't all Trish, but she does have the good sense to recognize her own flaw to herself and making a decision to prevent further issues.  ^ What the hell was that? Sarah had a weird facial expression to the news. Made a gif of it: 
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Yup Tony's very fun but for every good move he makes a mistake his top 5 chant was really a gift from heaven for Sarah the big question is can she get over her cop loyalty long enough to see Tony's game for what it is. Alexis clearly correct boot note the brains did inform everyone even though they didnt have too smart play that doesn't leave anyone feeling like they are on the bottom. Trish and Lindsey are both crap people difference is that Lindsey's a quitter too.
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Mar 27, 2014 07:30
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I'm on the Lindsey can dish it out but can't take it boat. Lindsey sized up Trish on Day 1 and made it a point to never converse or otherwise acknowledge her existence. It was even touched upon last week when Trish said that Lindsey hasn't "said a word to me ever". The seeds were sown, those two were a catty bitch-off ready to pop off at any moment. The fact they went 10+ days without ever reaching tribal only exacerbated their tensions. Lindsey got way too content in the status quo while Trish ran game to forge ulterior avenues. Lindsey was far too content to bunny behind Uncle Cliffy and in hopes that Trish hung herself. She did not expect a mutiny and that misstep falls squarely upon Lindsey. She got too comfortable attached to her rock and made no efforts to forge further alliances as a Plan B. The fact that she dropped as soon as there was an ounce of adversity only proves she wasn't quite the Brawn she was teamed with. Good riddance, quitter.
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God I hope Sarah doesn't get roped back in by Tony after all this. The guy is hilarious but man what a buffoon. If it wasn't for the 'final 5' chanting he may very well have been able to pull her back after the merge. Hoping she's smarter than that but who knows. Then again it could be a better move for her as I bet the Solana 5 have a better chance of fracturing than the Brains at this point and you can't make it to the end when there's a solid 3 like that. Very interested to see where everything goes at this point.
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Yeah, I don't think any of them were too shocked Trish flipped on them. She was fawning over LJ, clearly never ingratiated herself with the Brawn tribe, and they were even debating voting her out instead of LJ. But whatever reason no one seems to distrust Tony and I think that's where they got surprised. LJ and Jeremiah this episode seemed to be the first people to see Tony for his stunts. The only other time we saw someone suspect Tony was early on with Sarah, but then she got all blind and stupid to him when he said he was a cop. Correction, Woo was shocked by the mutiny. Which is insane considering he was a co-conspirator in the planned mutiny a week earlier. But I guess Woo isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. I'm hoping both tribes break down post merge. Neither is terribly stable and pagongings are boring. The three tribes really helped to make a lot of different conflicts and relationships so there's probably a couple of dozen possible alliances or ways you could imagine this going. Hopefully its not as simple as one tribe getting numbers and running the table.
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Tony is a fascinating character and incredibly entertaining to watch. His flashes of brilliance are amazing, it's tragic they're wasted on such an abrasive lunatic with no prayer of winning. Really he's everything I want from the filler players with no shot at winning. Casting more Tonys and less Purple Kellys in recent seasons has been a big part of the turnaround the show is having. At this point I'm leaning toward the idea that we're in the middle of a real golden era of Survivor.
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Kudos to whoever called Lindsay going home because of how little of an edit she received. I'm all aboard the Spencer-for-Win train, though. Kass and Tasha have both made spectacularly bad plays, and will easily fall apart later in the game. Spencer's got a good shot at controlling the game once the bigger personalities get taken out. And for my own Survivor ritual... gently caress the final three in the rear end with a pineapple. I have no idea why anyone thinks a final three is more exciting than a final two. It is asinine and really makes me pine for the olden days of early Survivor.
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BGrifter posted:Tony is a fascinating character and incredibly entertaining to watch. His flashes of brilliance are amazing, it's tragic they're wasted on such an abrasive lunatic with no prayer of winning. Really he's everything I want from the filler players with no shot at winning. Casting more Tonys and less Purple Kellys in recent seasons has been a big part of the turnaround the show is having. I really hope he returns for all stars and bumbles his way to the merge again.  edit: I don't REALLY care who wins this season because they are all terrible but I kinda want to see Trish and Tony lose in embarrassing fashion because they are SO arrogant and bad. Cop #2 as well. Bright Future fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Mar 27, 2014 |
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Kass is alright, she seems to have the right mindset for the game and isn't completely useless in challenges. She isn't some coat-rider and could potentially be the Brain to break, probably (and possibly with Tasha) at Spencer's expense. And Tony may be the bigger liability in challenges, I can recite a list of things he has hosed up and times he has lagged behind everyone (terrible swimmer, for example). I feel like Kass and Spencer are products of a bad initial tribe and have survived the fire leaving them in powerful positions (as powerful as people without HII can be, at least). Tasha and Spencer made the same mistake early game, attaching themselves to incompetent allies. Kass could have gone for J'Tia sooner, but was Garrett really any better? Woo cannot possibly be tight with that Five, like Tony believes (does he believe it? or was he just being his usual over-reactive self? Guarantee we hear how he doesn't trust anyone within two episodes). Woo's at the bottom. Also, he was only going to turn on Cliff (wealthy outside the game, you can flip on that and not be discredited for it) to appease a relatively united tribe. He was shocked by the mutiny, this time, because the Brawn could have been solid and controlled the game. He's not a strategic genius but he's not a moron either. I'm hoping Sarah resists the allure of Tony, but it could end up being irrelevant. Jeremiah isn't in a better position with LJ and Jeffra, he has reason to distrust Tony, and the Brains just saved his butt. Morgan is solid as well, she loathes Jeffra and LJ (and while she hates Jefremiah, has shown a willingness to play nice for the time being). The thing is Woo is well aware that Sarah and Tony are tight, so he should see the potential of her flipping (he may even be made directly aware of it, too). If he tries to go forward with them, and Sarah does flip, he's buried deep (he's the fourth even if the Brawn eventually took out LJ and Jeffra). So he could potentially endear himself to the Brains and co. by identifying Sarah as an ally of Tony. He can also expose Tony's lie about the hidden immunity idol clue, validating Jeremiah (and gaining a new ally in the process). That could make a strong six, and if they target Jeffra they'd probably be safe from HII.
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Robnoxious posted:I'm on the Lindsey can dish it out but can't take it boat. Lindsey sized up Trish on Day 1 and made it a point to never converse or otherwise acknowledge her existence. It was even touched upon last week when Trish said that Lindsey hasn't "said a word to me ever". I thought Trish said this about Cliff, not Lindsay.
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Lone Goat posted:I thought Trish said this about Cliff, not Lindsay. I agree with the people saying Lindsey could dish it out and not take it because yeah we saw her saying nasty poo poo about Trish quite a few times. But also Trish is incredibly annoying and was being obnoxious as hell to Lindsey after the tribal. They both suck, rage quitting is pretty weak, but I hope Trish also goes out soon.
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An illiterate rear end in a top hat.
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Tony was definitely great casting. On paper, he and Brad Culpepper are very similar players, so I couldn't really tell you why I find Tony so likable and Brad such an rear end in a top hat.
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Milovan Drecun posted:Kass is alright, she seems to have the right mindset for the game and isn't completely useless in challenges. She isn't some coat-rider and could potentially be the Brain to break, probably (and possibly with Tasha) at Spencer's expense. And Tony may be the bigger liability in challenges, I can recite a list of things he has hosed up and times he has lagged behind everyone (terrible swimmer, for example). I feel like Kass and Spencer are products of a bad initial tribe and have survived the fire leaving them in powerful positions (as powerful as people without HII can be, at least). Tasha and Spencer made the same mistake early game, attaching themselves to incompetent allies. Kass could have gone for J'Tia sooner, but was Garrett really any better? Kass' problem is that she overshares at Tribal most of the time and she doesn't seem able to convince anyone to do anything. I don't think she's capable of speaking in tone that isn't easily read as condescending.
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