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Some breaking news on the pro-nullifcation front this week! New Idaho law effectively nullifies future federal gun control http://legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2014/S1332.htm It's actually been a pretty big year for nullifcation all around. Not just in Colorado and Washington either. Lots of other states are getting in on the action. Here are some highlights: New Hampshire house bans warrantless tracking of cell phones http://offnow.org/2014/03/19/new-hampshire-house-bans-warrantless-tracking-cell-phones/ Georgia Passes "Health Care Freedom and ACA Non-Compliance Act", nullifying Obamacare http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/2014/03/04/aca-non-compliance-act/6043967/ Missouri bill Nullifies Obamacare http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/view-tenth/2013/dec/27/missouri-bill-would-gut-obamacare/ Missouri house bans cellphone tracking without a warrant http://offnow.org/2014/03/14/missouri-house-bans-cellphone-tracking-without-warrant-134-13/ Utah Senate passes bill to ban warrantless data, 28-0 http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=228538 Missouri passes "2nd Amendment Preservation Act", nullifying gun control laws http://www.senate.mo.gov/14info/BTS_Web/Bill.aspx?SessionType=R&BillID=27723646 Tennessee Legislators Push New Bill To Nullify Obamacare http://benswann.com/breaking-tn-legislators-push-new-bill-to-nullify-obamacare/ Arizona Governor, Rejects Obamacare Health Insurance Exchange http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/28/jan-brewer-arizona-health-care_n_2206884.html Georgia bill prohibits all state public servants and gun dealers from enforcing federal gun laws. http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/en-US/display/20132014/HB/732 Oaklahoma Bill would nullify Federal Government's "Common Core" education standards http://www.oklegislature.gov/BillInfo.aspx?Bill=sb1146&Session=1400 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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So if our President or Attorney General removes cannabis from the schedule, or does Federal decriminalization crazy states would still pursue police action against patients and recreational users?
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Mar 22, 2014 18:15
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GuyDudeBroMan posted:Some breaking news on the pro-nullifcation front this week! What's the easiest way for the government to deal with this? Pull all federal funds if they continue to act like nullification is the answer? Or slog through a hodgepodge of stupid lawsuits to slap them on the wrist?
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Mar 22, 2014 18:19
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GuyDudeBroMan posted:Some breaking news on the pro-nullifcation front this week! FilthyImp posted:What's the easiest way for the government to deal with this?
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Mar 22, 2014 18:35
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NurhacisUrn posted:So if our President or Attorney General removes cannabis from the schedule, or does Federal decriminalization crazy states would still pursue police action against patients and recreational users? Precisely. Most states have their own, separate, drug laws that ban drugs on their own authority, with enforcement to match. In order to remove those laws, we would need either a federal law that supersedes some local drug laws, or we would need some sort of major federal court rulings striking down anti-marijuana laws (how you could do that I don't know). Consider that after federal alcohol prohibition ended, many states took their time to actually legalize alcohol at all, and often took decades to expand it beyond weak beer and maybe wine.
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Mar 22, 2014 18:48
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TenementFunster posted:lol to all of these I agree. There are a few pro-hemp nullification bills coming up too that are especially lol worthy quote:ignore it Worked just fine with Colorado and Washington so far.
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Mar 22, 2014 18:54
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Is Andrew Jackson going to have to rise out of his grave and put these states back in their place? 
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Mar 22, 2014 18:56
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Here is the South Carolina bill to nullify the Industrial Hemp prohibition. http://www.scstatehouse.gov/billsearch.php?billnumbers=839&session=120&summary=B Tennessee wants to do the same: http://benswann.com/tennessee-moves-to-legalize-hemp/
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Mar 22, 2014 19:05
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No one is impressed with your lovely concern trolling.
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Mar 22, 2014 19:12
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I wonder how many pages of circular "I don't care about the law on federalism, I'm asking for opinions" -> "We can't make laws out of your opinions" bullshit it will take for the mods to give a wrist-slap probation this time. O/U is at 3. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 22, 2014 19:38
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GuyDudeBroMan posted:Here is the South Carolina bill to nullify the Industrial Hemp prohibition. http://www.scstatehouse.gov/billsearch.php?billnumbers=839&session=120&summary=B Tennessee might, but my state legislature is apparently full of concerned citizens worried about puffs of marihuana smoke making black children rape white teachers, so I wouldn't count on that one passing either. The medical bill got deferred apparently and has neither a growing provision nor the capability of smoking it. Install Windows posted:Precisely. Most states have their own, separate, drug laws that ban drugs on their own authority, with enforcement to match. In order to remove those laws, we would need either a federal law that supersedes some local drug laws, or we would need some sort of major federal court rulings striking down anti-marijuana laws (how you could do that I don't know). That is quite disheartening and sadly the reality I think for the south. It always has to hang onto its discriminatory policies for as long as it can.
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Mar 22, 2014 19:45
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NurhacisUrn posted:That is quite disheartening and sadly the reality I think for the south. It always has to hang onto its discriminatory policies for as long as it can. It's really difficult to tell, since there's no nice-and-neat list of what the particular laws for each state. Like which states simply have generic laws applying to all Schedule Whatever drugs, which states explicitly target weed (and as such would not legalize weed automatically with federal legalization or descheduling), and so on.
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Mar 22, 2014 19:52
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Elotana posted:I wonder how many pages of circular "I don't care about the law on federalism, I'm asking for opinions" -> "We can't make laws out of your opinions" bullshit it will take for the mods to give a wrist-slap probation this time. O/U is at 3. Probably quicker than giving out probation's for no content cheerleading posts that's for sure.
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Mar 22, 2014 20:07
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GuyDudeBroMan posted:I agree. There are a few pro-hemp nullification bills coming up too that are especially lol worthy
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Mar 22, 2014 21:38
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Colorado looks like they are going to overturn marijuana convictions retroactively: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25410897/marijuana-ruling-could-overturn-thousands-convictions-mdash-or quote:Anywhere from a few dozen to more than 10,000 people could be eligible to have their old marijuana convictions overturned as the result of a landmark Colorado Court of Appeals ruling that applied marijuana legalization retroactively.
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Mar 25, 2014 20:44
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Is this going to clean people's criminal records if they only have state level marijuana convictions?
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Mar 25, 2014 23:47
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Furthermore, will those people be compensated for having been arrested and convicted for something that literally wasn't a crime?
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Mar 26, 2014 18:48
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Warchicken posted:Furthermore, will those people be compensated for having been arrested and convicted for something that literally wasn't a crime? It was when they were convicted. I'm not sure we need to compensate people who knowingly broke the law, even if it now makes sense to be releasing them. It's not equivalent to falsely convicting someone.
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Mar 26, 2014 18:58
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No compensation was issued to people jailed for alcohol crimes after prohibition ended, and most had to serve out their full sentences.
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Mar 26, 2014 19:01
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Warchicken posted:Furthermore, will those people be compensated for having been arrested and convicted for something that literally wasn't a crime? Look at this, and tell me liberals don't take a mile when you give them an inch! They were criminals, who just got a get-out-of-jail free card!
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Mar 26, 2014 19:19
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Pryor on Fire posted:Colorado looks like they are going to overturn marijuana convictions retroactively: Part of the reason for enacting the new laws was to save money on jails and prisons for non-violent offenders. Keeping them locked up goes against the spirit of the law and wastes manpower and money. If they don't end up applying it retroactively then something dirty is going on the back rooms.
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Mar 26, 2014 20:36
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breaklaw posted:Part of the reason for enacting the new laws was to save money on jails and prisons for non-violent offenders. Keeping them locked up goes against the spirit of the law and wastes manpower and money. If they don't end up applying it retroactively then something dirty is going on the back rooms. If by something dirty you mean standing precedent for when a thing becomes legal that used to get you jail time? Speeding up parole or simple "out for good behavior" timing tends to happen, but almost never "all of you out of jail" stuff.
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Mar 26, 2014 21:05
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breaklaw posted:Part of the reason for enacting the new laws was to save money on jails and prisons for non-violent offenders. Keeping them locked up goes against the spirit of the law and wastes manpower and money. If they don't end up applying it retroactively then something dirty is going on the back rooms. Isn't there pretty much always "something dirty going on in the back rooms."
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Mar 26, 2014 21:14
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http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2014/03/sir_richard_branson_marijuana_legalization.php So apparently it's up to Richard Branson whether marijuana will be on the ballot in 2014 in California or not. AYC fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Mar 27, 2014 |
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Mar 27, 2014 02:10
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I'm surprised he's around at all, honestly. But if a guy old enough to have been in Great Escape wants to smoke weed, then by all means.
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Mar 27, 2014 13:10
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Is there anything that man can't do?
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Mar 27, 2014 15:51
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ColoradoCleric posted:Is there anything that man can't do? Not look creepy.
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Mar 27, 2014 15:53
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Apparently legalized online gambling brought in 2% of the revenue Chris Christie projected. Maybe it's time to look at another vice.
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Mar 27, 2014 17:16
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McDowell posted:Apparently legalized online gambling brought in 2% of the revenue Chris Christie projected. Maybe it's time to look at another vice. Nooooooo! We must not let the Demon Weed gain a foothold against the wonders of cancer sticks and booze!
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Mar 27, 2014 19:09
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AYC posted:http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2014/03/sir_richard_branson_marijuana_legalization.php SF Weekly posted:$3 million is about what it would take to grab over 500,000 valid signatures from California voters and qualify a ballot initiative. That amount is also about half of 1 percent of $5 billion. In other words: Richard Branson could legalize marijuana in California tomorrow. Yes, SF Weekly, Richard Branson could buy legalized weed for California tomorrow because that's how that works.
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Mar 28, 2014 01:24
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Dude can't even do his decimal places right, $3million is .06% of $5billion.
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Mar 28, 2014 01:38
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800peepee51doodoo posted:Yes, SF Weekly, Richard Branson could buy legalized weed for California tomorrow because that's how that works. To be honest, he probably could. The MCLR needs $3 million to collect enough signatures to get marijuana legalization on the 2014 ballot. If it were on the ballot, it would almost certainly pass-polling has shown support to be at least 55%; even if you're being conservative, it's really hard to see a scenario where it wouldn't, especially because public support for legal weed has grown so dramatically since the failed initiative of 2010. So Richard Branson gives them $3 million (or more, if he's generous), legal weed gets on the ballot, and California votes and almost certainly says yes. I'm looking for a flaw here... Oh yeah, Richard Branson is an honorary board member of the Drug Policy Alliance, which pulled out on the grounds that 2016 was more practical. I could see him being persuaded otherwise. In fact, he probably will be. But he (or any other billionaire, really) could bankroll legal weed in 2014 if he wanted to.
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Mar 28, 2014 03:26
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I would still wait until 2016 because I don't trust midterms.
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Mar 28, 2014 03:29
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computer parts posted:I would still wait until 2016 because I don't trust midterms. I want to buy legal weed before I graduate, but at the same time I see your point. I don't expect the initiative to get on. If it does, however, I will be bursting with joy and do whatever I can to make sure it passes.
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Mar 28, 2014 03:31
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AYC posted:
In the past California has a habit of not voting for weed in referendums, largely backed by the areas that have a lot to lose if medical weed overpricedness goes away and can't support their economy anymore.
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Mar 28, 2014 03:32
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Install Windows posted:In the past California has a habit of not voting for weed in referendums, largely backed by the areas that have a lot to lose if medical weed overpricedness goes away and can't support their economy anymore. http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1zqk28/2014_legalization_of_marijuana_in_california_the/cfw1r0y So apparently the medical industry will be grandfathered in, like it was in Colorado. I don't know if they'd opposite so vehemently this time, though, since if it fails this year it will probably stay illegal for the foreseeable future.
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Mar 28, 2014 03:38
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The current "medical" system we're talking about here specifically involves high prices and supporting the economies of places like Humboldt County and other Northern California/Rural California areas which have benefited significantly from being able to claim high prices from the dispensaries.
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Mar 28, 2014 03:52
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Midterms are always the worst time possible to introduce anything that's the slightest bit progressive. The average polling place looks like the inside of a retirement home during off-year elections. It's best to just wait until 2016 for one of those magical moments where people under 50 decide for a few fleeting seconds that they actually care enough about politics to bother voting. Why do you think it is that the Republicans always do so well during the midterms?
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Mar 28, 2014 08:18
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It probably won't be on the ballot in 2014 anyways. If it is, though, I'll do whatever I can to make sure every single person at my campus votes in the midterms.
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Mar 28, 2014 08:42
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You're all worthless stoners because no one got my Richard/Charles Bronson joke. Harumpf
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