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amarantinesky posted:is it a pink fedora? that's a weird email The reason fedoras are hated by feminists and white knights is because the sort of men who proudly wear fedoras tend to be of low sexual market value. Thus, it is not that the fedora is unattractive and unfashionable in and of itself but that it has been tainted by low sexual market value men, the 1s to 3s on the sexual rank ladder. Oddly enough, these low sexual market value men who don fedoras are undoubtedly only doing it as a way to compensate for their low sexual market value. How cruel that their feeble efforts are mocked so publicly. ZergFluid fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Mar 30, 2014 |
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How many slam whales would it take to trade for a low-value, male fedora on the sexual market-place?
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Mar 30, 2014 02:00
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I don't think fedoras are actually hated, it's just been noted that there is a high correlation between the wearing of fedoras and the holding of opinions like yours.
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Mar 30, 2014 02:24
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Chairchucker posted:I don't think fedoras are actually hated, it's just been noted that there is a high correlation between the wearing of fedoras and the holding of opinions like yours. Nah. The fedora has essentially become a signal of low sexual market value due to its use as an obvious attempt to get "style" by low sexual market value males. The fedora would not be so offensive if more attractive men wear wearing it. Women are repulsed by the fedora because of its association with these sexual losers. Everything comes down to sexual rank, sexual economics, the sexual marketplace, etc. (These sexual losers might hold certain MRA-esque opinions because they are merely bitter sexual losers. Their views, as it were, are just like the fedora -- a consequence of their sexual loserdom.) That's why I believe it's simply humane to make sex cheaper for males by decriminalizing prostitution. No man is owed sex, but governments should sure as hell get out of their way if these men want to purchase sex. No, such obviously transactional sex is not as worthwhile as validational sex (i.e two people liking each and deciding to gently caress) but if male sexual losers can't have the latter at least let them have the former. How does this not make sense to you people!?!?
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Mar 30, 2014 02:58
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You're really overestimating how much having sex is actually going to help your mental issues and crippling loneliness.
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EN Bullshit posted:How many slam whales would it take to trade for a low-value, male fedora on the sexual market-place?
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ZergFluid posted:Nah. Because we're not autistic and there's no such thing as a sexual marketplace except in the literal sense.
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ZergFluid posted:The reason fedoras are hated by feminists and white knights is because the sort of men who proudly wear fedoras tend to be of low sexual market value. Thus, it is not that the fedora is unattractive and unfashionable in and of itself but that it has been tainted by low sexual market value men, the 1s to 3s on the sexual rank ladder. Oddly enough, these low sexual market value men who don fedoras are undoubtedly only doing it as a way to compensate for their low sexual market value. How cruel that their feeble efforts are mocked so publicly. Ahahaha. Hi, Jane! Do you have any new bullshit for us in this thread? I don't think I've seen you mention anything about the advantages of foreign women over American or what you have to offer women as a white American male. We've already heard your bit about government whores delivered to your basement room.
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Horking Delight posted:You're really overestimating how much having sex is actually going to help your mental issues and crippling loneliness. Uhuh. Dismiss me as a mental cripple -- so easy to do for people whose arguments and views unsettle you.
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Mar 30, 2014 03:03
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ZergFluid posted:Uhuh. Dismiss me as a mental cripple -- so easy to do for people whose arguments and views unsettle you. The fact that you recognize you're unsettling is the first correct thing you've posted so far.
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change my name posted:The fact that you recognize you're unsettling is the first correct thing you've posted so far. I am unsettling because you are mired in blue pill thinking and are a captive of the so called "feminine imperative." (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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ZergFluid posted:I am unsettling because you are mired in blue pill thinking and are a captive of the so called "feminine imperative." I have sex successfully all the time, why would I take Viagra? What the hell are you talking about?
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Mar 30, 2014 03:29
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Don't you guys understand? Sex is all about capitalism! And there are more poor men than poor women. Therefore, the only reasonable solution is for the government to start subsidizing those poor men. Have the government hire sex workers, and send them to the poor men. All you have to do is fill out a form which says you don't get enough sex, and you can get on the sex welfare list. We need to create the a safety net for sex! The top 1% are hoarding all the sex, they just keep getting more and more sex, while losers are getting less and less. Or you could go the communism route; everyone has to get in a line and receive their daily allotment of sex. It's only the way to fairly distribute the sex.
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Mar 30, 2014 03:40
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change my name posted:I have sex successfully all the time, why would I take Viagra? What the hell are you talking about? "Red Pill" vs "Blue Pill" like in the Matrix. Apparently like on Reddit those who are Men's Rights Activists and burned by women talk about the Red Pill which is the reality of how the matriarchy or some poo poo works for reals yo, women are out to get you and make you suffer. I dunno, but it's something like that.
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Mar 30, 2014 03:41
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Gatts posted:"Red Pill" vs "Blue Pill" like in the Matrix. Apparently like on Reddit those who are Men's Rights Activists and burned by women talk about the Red Pill which is the reality of how the matriarchy or some poo poo works for reals yo, women are out to get you and make you suffer. I dunno, but it's something like that. Oh I know, but of the two things Viagra actually exists. So that's the one I went with.
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Mar 30, 2014 03:42
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ZergFluid posted:
That might be why you don't like them I guess, but the overwhelming response from this thread at least doesn't fit with your narrative.
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Mar 30, 2014 03:44
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I've never heard about this fedora crap. What the christ? It's a loving hat. The only person I've ever seen wearing a fedora was Indiana Jones.
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Mar 30, 2014 03:52
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Fedora was the best fighter until he got old and couldn't really hang anymore. He did beat the crap out of Andrei Arlovski though (but then who hasn't at this point?).
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Mar 30, 2014 03:59
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The Rokstar posted:Fedora was the best fighter until he got old and couldn't really hang anymore. He did beat the crap out of Andrei Arlovski though (but then who hasn't at this point?). I thought Roger Fedora played tennis?
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Rip_Van_Winkle posted:I thought Roger Fedora played tennis? You're thinking Fedora Dostoyevsky. Russian author.
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Would it be a bit gauche at this point to make a reply to the OP? e:eh, gently caress it Once again A Keg. posted:I don't know what it's like being an adult virgin and would like to find out. Please, tell me a little bit about your situation as an adult who has never had sex. I was a virgin until 24- when I lost it by paying for it. I still haven’t had sex for free. So, depending on how you look at it, either I still am kind of a virgin or I was for 6 years. 1) I had a small and insular group of friends from going together to an all-boys school. We’re still friends but I’ve since moved abroad and now I have no social circle. I’d also say for the most part that we never really tried when it came to getting laid. Like, we would go to bars and clubs but it was almost always just us in a chode crystal. I honestly can’t remember any of us approaching women. I’m 27. Also I’m obese. I was always a little overweight but in the past few years I’ve not been good to myself. 2) I don’t really have any hobbies (unless you count reading but that’s just consumption), nor did my friends which is probably why we were so insular and unlikely to meet any girls. I used to play MtG and video games when I was even younger, so yeah- nerdy. 3) I almost had a girlfriend once when I was 17. I was basically being a “Nice Guy” except that I felt hopeful rather than entitled. So one day she tells me she liked me and it was clear that she didn’t just mean platonically. Through a mixture of cluelessness, fear and the fact that I just quit my part-time job I didn’t act and we gradually drifted apart after that. There was also this one other time I was making out with a girl at a house party and during an awkward silence she grabbed my dick. I’m pretty sure that could have led somewhere but whatever she had been drinking must have hit her all at once because shortly after that she went straight from tipsy to incoherent and there was no way I was going to do anything with her in that condition. If I had to define sex, I’d say PIV but other stuff is in the ballpark and I think it’s silly to really start splitting hairs since after a certain age it all starts feeling less like milestones and more just having fun. 4) I don’t really have an opinion on women in my age group other than that I guess they’d probably be more compatible with me but that’s broadly true for most people? I don’t think it would be better if they were more “traditionally feminine”, I actually think that traditional gender roles overall hinder people from having more sex, especially casual sex since women are shamed for their sexuality and told not to “give it up too easily”. I know this isn’t the Virgoon Megathread Mk2 but I have a question that I think would be appropriate here. How do I handle myself in bars and clubs when it comes to approaching women? I don’t mind going out for a few drinks with people I know but being so hopeless with women puts me off which just makes me even more reclusive (well that plus no hobbies means there’s a lack of stuff to actually talk about). I’ve seen this type of question asked quite a lot on E/N and the advice is usually along the lines of “stop treating women like some other species” and as true as that is, it doesn’t help because it’s not that women are alien to me, the situation- going up to a stranger and just start talking to them- feels so...foreign to me, like when you’re in a foreign country, you don’t speak the language and you just feel dumb. And this is what gets under my skin; it makes me feel like there’s something missing in me or that I’m broken or stunted because of how people react when I try to give reasons why I won’t approach someone. They try to reason with me but it’s like they’re speaking to a blind spot in my brain. It’s gotten to the stage where I’m not looking for success. All I’m asking for is to be able to pass myself off as a functioning human being. I don’t care if I get rejected by every girl I talk to just so long as I’m able to go through the motions of flirting. My weight doesn’t help because I feel like no matter what I say, people will think that I’m so self-unaware to think I’d have a chance with a good-looking woman. Benny Harvey fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Mar 30, 2014 |
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Benny Harvey posted:Would it be a bit gauche at this point to make a reply to the OP? While it didn't make me a late in life virgin, I also used to be terrified of approaching strangers. I knew it was irrational and the only reason I had any success with women was because they were in my social circles or approached me. Unless you have actual diagnosed social anxiety disorder, the solution is to just push yourself. When I was in college, I worked at a grocery store that had a reputation for employees to chat with customers. So I used that as a springboard to become a lot less socially awkward. Unfortunately (or fortunately) I was already dating a gal before my new found less awkward life began and we got married after graduation, so I never got a chance to test those skills out in the market. Also if you're like every other goon and feel a lot more outgoing behind a computer, try online dating.
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Ach, zergybaby, I think I'm in love with your lovely unrealistic opinions. I am 28 and overweight so I know I'm basically a fat grandma but please be mine. Jesus you crazy.
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Bloody Queef posted:Unless you have actual diagnosed social anxiety disorder, I've yet to see a psychologist, so I wouldn't rule that out just yet. Bloody Queef posted:the solution is to just push yourself. When I was in college, I worked at a grocery store that had a reputation for employees to chat with customers. So I used that as a springboard to become a lot less socially awkward. I see what you're getting at and I have been trying recently at work whenever I've felt up to it. But I honestly can't see the link between that and being able to approach strangers in a bar/club. Like, in other situations, there's opportunity for conversation starters but I can't see how you can start a conversation with a stranger in a bar or club. Obviously, there will be occasions where there will be an obvious ice breaker but those seem to be the exception to the rule. I could of course always try a very direct approach and I have done that before but only when someone was obviously staring at me. I get the feeling that I could do that a lot more once I've lost about half my weight. Bloody Queef posted:Also if you're like every other goon and feel a lot more outgoing behind a computer, try online dating. True. I know this is going to sound weird but I just feel like trying online dating is giving up or something. That plus I'm guessing it's (a bit) more personality based and I don't have much of that.
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Mar 30, 2014 15:11
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Everyone does online dating now. It is the normal thing to do. Also you maybe should just get drunker. Drunk (but not gross harassment) confidence makes us drunky women smile.
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Benny Harvey posted:Would it be a bit gauche at this point to make a reply to the OP? Don't be absurd. This thread is terrible at staying on-topic and answers to the OP are the only way to rerail the conversation back to "what's it like being a virgin." Benny Harvey posted:True. I know this is going to sound weird but I just feel like trying online dating is giving up or something. That plus I'm guessing it's (a bit) more personality based and I don't have much of that. Something a lot of virgins seem to have trouble getting is that they're actually really picky and have standards that sound totally reasonable but are in reality almost completely untenable. Like seeing online dating as "giving up". If you're trying to meet like-minded nerds OKCupid is pretty much the only game in town at this point. You just can't find these people in real life anymore because they spend most of their free time either in front of the computer or hanging out with previously established friends. What you're thinking of as the real-life scene where in-person dates come from is where people who don't spend free time on the Internet go. Be honest. Do you really think you could relate to someone like that? I mean you could probably get at least one night stand out of drunk confidence. But the fact that you went to a prostitute and still feel depressed virgin stigma tells me you're looking for something more than that.
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lidnsya posted:Everyone does online dating now. It is the normal thing to do. Yeah but it still would feel weird that I've never tried "normal" dating given my age. And getting drunker isn't really an option for me. I get drunk well enough as is (had three blackouts last year) trying to find something inside me but it just makes me less outgoing strangely. Good to know that women don't mind Dutch courage though, I thought it was only real confidence that did the trick but then I guess if they're drunk(y) too they won't mind. I guess it's like how a tipsy girl trying to be coy seems cute as hell (or is that just me?). It's funny how you should point out "not gross harassment". A couple of weeks ago, I was in a club drunk. I'm on my way out of one room into another when I notice a woman looking at me. We talk a little and then she's grinding into my crotch. I don't know why but for some reason I thought it was a good idea to grab her tits  . How guilty should I feel about that? I feel more embarrassed than anything (even though no-one I know saw it).Some Guy TT posted:because they spend most of their free time either in front of the computer Themoderncondition.txt . But seriously, one of the reasons that makes me feel negative towards online dating is how technology has taken over our lives. I realise how pretentious that sounds and ironic on an internet forum but there you go. Also, I'd feel awkward whenever people asked how we met. As for finding like minded people, I feel like I don't really have a good enough sense of self to say either way. Some Guy TT posted:I mean you could probably get at least one night stand out of drunk confidence. But the fact that you went to a prostitute and still feel depressed virgin stigma tells me you're looking for something more than that. Not even. Like I say, I just want to be able to look normal when I go out drinking, regardless of having sex. I mean, yeah, sex is still appealing but it's not a priority.
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Benny Harvey posted:
I hear that, man. Better to die alone than to have to explain to someone that you met your SO on the internet or, god forbid, lie and say "We met at a party." Vv For reals. poo poo, half the women I date have no idea what the hell I'm talking about when I bring up my nerdy interests and hobbies (Talkin' about Drakengard on dates aw yeah). It's a lot more about perspective/confidence than it is about the actual subject material. vV Arrrthritis fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Mar 30, 2014 |
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Benny Harvey posted:I don’t really have any hobbies (unless you count reading but that’s just consumption), I once got a date by recognizing Ovid's Metamorphosis. I've never read it, I just knew what it was. That was enough to start a conversation at the laundromat. Reading is a pretty good hobby for starting conversations with strangers. Lots of people read things. gently caress, these days you can be a goony goon in terms of taste and still talk to people about Game of Thrones. Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Mar 30, 2014 |
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It will also give you knowledge in conversations and where to lead them if you read about a broad range of topics and keep up to date. Reading is the bomb yo.
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To all of you old rear end virgins, I want to help you. I know you've "accepted" that you will never get laid, but we both know there's still a chance. If you are serious about improving your social life and your life as a whole, take a gander at these books. "The Game" by Neil Strauss. This book will coach you step by step to becoming attractive, and will teach you how other guys pickup girls, and how you can pickup girls. It's basically the complete package. Link: http://www.amazon.com/The-Game-Penetrating-Society-Artists/dp/0060554738 Now just to buff out some more scratches and generally make your personality and bit more... Blooming might I say, I would recommend getting "How to Win Friends & Influence People" by Dale Carnegie. Link: http://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Frien...nfluence+people
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Hodgepodge posted:I once got a date by recognizing Ovid's Metamorphosis. I've never read it, I just knew what it was. That was enough to start a conversation at the laundromat. One time I stared at this girl really frustrated because all I could see on her book was J.R.R. Tolkien. I knew that was a famous author but I couldn't remember what he wrote so I finally walked up and asked her. In retrospect I probably could have parlayed that into a date except that I only really wanted to know who J.R.R. Tolkien was so it did not occur to me to respond to her answer with anything but a thank you. What is the next step for casual book chat anyway? I hear that as a way of meeting people all the time but I can't for the life of me figure out how that's supposed to turn into a normal conversation. There was this other time meeting someone I already knew from clubs and she had just bought Clan of the Cave Bear but what is there to even say about that series. I liked the caveman worldbuilding? I liked the caveman sex scenes?
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Any woman reading Clan of the Cavebear is DTF. You don't even need to have a conversation at that point, it is like a red butt on a monkey.
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don't read the game if you are gullible enough to believe anything in it. it's p dumb. the important thing about talking to strangers is to pretend like it's not weird to talk to a stranger. just put yourself in the frame of mind that you already know this person and are friends with them and you are cracking wise with a buddy. if you can do that without letting the facade crack and all your self loathing and fear show congrats you are now a sexy and confident-seeming person. getting buzzed helps. being a sloppy drunken retard isn't sexy, but if you're a playful happy ebullient drunk then yeah go for it.
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Isn't 'the game' that PUA rubbish or something?
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the dude who cowrote marilyn manson and nikki sixx's autobiographies joined the pickup community and realized it was an excellent way to part sad lonely young men from their money so he wrote a story about being going from a nebbishy journalist dweeb into a rockstar fuckmonster who slays pussy but in the end he realized that the game was inside of him all along and what he really wants is a loving and committed relationship to one woman. the game works insofar as being really overbearingly persistent in hitting on dozens of women every night will be more fruitful than nursing your drink in a dark corner being too scared to talk to anyone but you didn't need some creep in a stupid hat to tell you that did you.
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Some Guy TT posted:If you're trying to meet like-minded nerds OKCupid is pretty much the only game in town at this point. You just can't find these people in real life anymore because they spend most of their free time either in front of the computer or hanging out with previously established friends. Serious question; if this is the case am I just poo poo out of luck if I don't live somewhere with an 8-digit population? The nearest big city is 30 miles away from me so there are maybe a dozen women my age within driving distance. Almost all of them have kids or want them (I don't) and the 3 or 4 who don't either won't message me back or aren't my type at all.
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Jabarto posted:Serious question; if this is the case am I just poo poo out of luck if I don't live somewhere with an 8-digit population? The nearest big city is 30 miles away from me so there are maybe a dozen women my age within driving distance. Almost all of them have kids or want them (I don't) and the 3 or 4 who don't either won't message me back or aren't my type at all. Even if this were true (it's not), 30 miles isn't some insurmountable distance unless you don't have a car. It just sounds like another thing that's just you getting in your own way.
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Chairchucker posted:Isn't 'the game' that PUA rubbish or something? It absolutely is PUA bullshit. If you read between the lines there may be a good lesson or two that amounts to "Be confidant in yourself" and "Have something worthwhile to talk about", but by and large it is a lot of 'beep boop women are a Rubik's cube peacocking + neg + kino = sex' sorts of bullshit. You would be better off reading any sort of self help book focused on improving your self confidence or reducing social anxiety and actually learn some useful social skills beyond getting one night stands. Jabarto posted:Serious question; if this is the case am I just poo poo out of luck if I don't live somewhere with an 8-digit population? The nearest big city is 30 miles away from me so there are maybe a dozen women my age within driving distance. Almost all of them have kids or want them (I don't) and the 3 or 4 who don't either won't message me back or aren't my type at all. I live in a city with a population of 40,000 and currently date a girl living a little over an hour away whom I met originally on OKCupid a few months ago. It's really not an insurmountable drive for either of us, it just means we are limited to the weekends for together time. We talk every night on the phone on the weeknights and occasionally do video chats on google hangouts when we can, between those and the weekend visits we seem to get by just fine.
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Black Shadow posted:To all of you old rear end virgins, I want to help you. I'll give you Dale Carnagie, but like other posters have said, Neil Strauss is a loving hack. If you want actual help, I would check out Doctor Nerdlove. It's this former PUA dude living out in Austin who wised up and is now giving sex and dating advice to nerdy guys. The difference between actual PUAs and him is that he has respectable beliefs, like women not owing you poo poo, being respectful and the nature of attraction. He also deals with being creepy and sexism in "nerd culture". I would also recommend Mark Manson's book Models:Attracting Women Through Honesty. It's pretty much the Anti-PUA book. It generalizes a bit, but the book deals with the nature of vulnerability in attraction, not taking rejection seriously, and finding confidence before you try to date. It's a decent read.
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