A return of Fascism in Europe?

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A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

itsnice2bnice posted:

The Minister for Economic Affairs, Laurens Jan Brinkhorst, said that "the lights would go off" in the case of a rejection and that The Netherlands would become "the Switzerland of Europe."

Oh no, not Switzerland! :ohdear:

And just to give an update on Denmark, the Danish People's Party would now be the second largest party in Denmark according to the most recent poll, at 21% of the votes. On top of that, one of our big "political experts" has joined me in thinking it's not entirely implausible for them to become the largest party by the next election. I guess the best we can hope for is them fumbling when they can no longer act simply as opposition or just a supporter of the government, and actually have to be in a position of taking hits for their failures.

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Electronico6: Feb 25, 2011

"The Switzerland of Europe".

Going back to the French elections. Here's the story of an immigrant running for election under the ticket of party against immigrants running in French elections. Lu�s da Silva Canedo is a Portuguese immigrant living in France for 30 years,never applied for dual nationality, and is running on the list of the city of Perpignan. He is one of 30 Portuguese of single nationality on the lists of National Front.

Lu�s da Silva Canedo posted:

I accepted being on this list because [Perpignan] is being invaded by arabs, islam is destroying our catholic convictions and there's zones in Perpignan, even in the centre, where the police doesn't go due to the heavy presence of arabs and gypsies.

Of course NF position on immigrants running for elections is changing.(eventually).

Lu�s da Silva Canedo posted:

I talked about that when the lists were drawn, but everything about the NF is changing, that position will change.

Marine le Pen. :swoon:

Lu�s da Silva Canedo posted:

Marine is no more incompetent than Fran�ois Hollande or Nicolas Sarkozy, both were a disappointment. I used to be a socialist but they disappointed me, I have been interested in politics for over 20 years. (...) Hollande does not have the status for being President, that is obvious, and Sarkozy was a misery, he diminished, destroyed the police and closed schools. The socialist have already given up in favour of the right, it's a scandal! (NF got 34% of votes against 30% of the right and 11% of the socialists)

There needs be a great scare in France and in Europe, NF needs to win at least once in France so everybody can see that everything needs to change. In certain French cities there's more mosques than churches!

Marine is nothing like her father, he was the one against Europeans on the NF lists; Marine is not has rigid, nor as extremist, she evolved with society.

(http://expresso.sapo.pt/eu-portugues-admirador-de-marine-le-pen-diz-um-candidato-pela-fn-em-franca=f862392)

This kinda of position seems to be weirdly common among Portuguese immigrants in France, which is a pretty big minority in France. Of course, most seem to forget that Portuguese immigrants were always seen as scum who lived in lovely slums, during the mass immigration during the 60/70's. I wager that if we take a peek at the French media of 40 years ago where going to find a lot of stuff about how "the police can't go to the centre of towns due to those gens des baraques!." Guess we exported our fascists to France.

This also happened in Switzerland, where Portuguese immigrants also lived in slums and were considered sub-human, when the referendum for tightening of border rules came up, we had a lot of long time Portuguese immigrants screaming of the top of their lungs "WE FULL! GO AWAY!!".

Electronico6 fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Mar 28, 2014

# ? Mar 28, 2014 13:01

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Gotta kick that ladder.

Also I love the whole "the police doesn't dare go there" bullshit. I heard the same poo poo at my Dutch high school about a trailer park (sorta, not entirely analogous to the US version) in a nearby village. Except, of course, it's totally bullshit.

Fun fact though: that nearby city is one of the main villages in the municipality with the largest support percentage for Wilders and his PVV. In conclusion, gently caress Rucphen and gently caress St. Willebrord.

Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Mar 28, 2014

# ? Mar 28, 2014 13:09

SirKibbles: Feb 27, 2011; I didn't like your old red text so here's some dancing cash.

Orange Devil posted:

Gotta kick that ladder.

Also I love the whole "the police doesn't dare go there" bullshit. I heard the same poo poo at my Dutch high school about a trailer park (sorta, not entirely analogous to the US version) in a nearby village. Except, of course, it's totally bullshit.

Fun fact though: that nearby city is one of the main villages in the municipality with the largest support percentage for Wilders and his PVV. In conclusion, gently caress Rucphen and gently caress St. Willebrord.

Do right wingers have like an international or some poo poo how do they come up with the same dumbass talking points?

# ? Mar 30, 2014 04:12

Gen. Ripper: Jan 12, 2013

itsnice2bnice posted:

The government who campaigned in favor also acted like major shitlords, I'm gonna be lazy and C&P Wikipedia here for some great stuff:

The Minister of Justice, Piet Hein Donner, warned that a rejection would raise the chances of war and stated that "the C in CDA [for 'Christian'] implies that you vote in favour of the constitution."

War? How crazy do you have to be to think the EU would go to war with the Netherlands over a No vote? :psyduck:

# ? Mar 30, 2014 04:24

itsnice2bnice: Mar 21, 2010

Gen. Ripper posted:

War? How crazy do you have to be to think the EU would go to war with the Netherlands over a No vote?

Nah, that wasn't what he meant. He argued that rejecting the constitution would somehow lead to the Balkanization of Europe. Exactly how Europe would fragment or who would invade / ethnically cleanse who was left to the imagination.

# ? Mar 30, 2014 09:33

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Electronico6 posted:

"The Switzerland of Europe".

Going back to the French elections. Here's the story of an immigrant running for election under the ticket of party against immigrants running in French elections. Lu�s da Silva Canedo is a Portuguese immigrant living in France for 30 years,never applied for dual nationality, and is running on the list of the city of Perpignan. He is one of 30 Portuguese of single nationality on the lists of National Front.

Of course NF position on immigrants running for elections is changing.(eventually).

Marine le Pen.

(http://expresso.sapo.pt/eu-portugues-admirador-de-marine-le-pen-diz-um-candidato-pela-fn-em-franca=f862392)

This kinda of position seems to be weirdly common among Portuguese immigrants in France, which is a pretty big minority in France. Of course, most seem to forget that Portuguese immigrants were always seen as scum who lived in lovely slums, during the mass immigration during the 60/70's. I wager that if we take a peek at the French media of 40 years ago where going to find a lot of stuff about how "the police can't go to the centre of towns due to those gens des baraques!." Guess we exported our fascists to France.

This also happened in Switzerland, where Portuguese immigrants also lived in slums and were considered sub-human, when the referendum for tightening of border rules came up, we had a lot of long time Portuguese immigrants screaming of the top of their lungs "WE FULL! GO AWAY!!".

As a Pure-Blooded French ok I'm half a greaseball, I demand that your lot be shipped back to Lisbon :colbert:

But seriously gently caress this country :sigh:

# ? Mar 30, 2014 10:27

Guildencrantz: May 1, 2012; IM ONE OF THE GOOD ONES

Electronico6 posted:

(http://expresso.sapo.pt/eu-portugues-admirador-de-marine-le-pen-diz-um-candidato-pela-fn-em-franca=f862392)

This kinda of position seems to be weirdly common among Portuguese immigrants in France, which is a pretty big minority in France. Of course, most seem to forget that Portuguese immigrants were always seen as scum who lived in lovely slums, during the mass immigration during the 60/70's. I wager that if we take a peek at the French media of 40 years ago where going to find a lot of stuff about how "the police can't go to the centre of towns due to those gens des baraques!." Guess we exported our fascists to France.

This also happened in Switzerland, where Portuguese immigrants also lived in slums and were considered sub-human, when the referendum for tightening of border rules came up, we had a lot of long time Portuguese immigrants screaming of the top of their lungs "WE FULL! GO AWAY!!".

I don't think this is weird at all, it's par for the course these days. It seems like the "we were here first" white European immigrants are an important electorate for nationalist parties, provided they aren't a target. I recently read an article about the political activity of the Polish minority in Sweden. Apparently they overwhelmingly support the two rightmost parties, and especially the Sweden Democrats. Because gently caress solidarity, just indulge your racism against those drat dirty Muslims and hope the local racists pick you out to be the model minority. Simultaneously, the same people screech about how unfair it is that the analogous Progress Party in neighboring Norway scapegoats Poles, presumably because they're supposed to be scapegoating Middle Eastern people.

"Suck up to the stronger group and then go pick on those even weaker and more excluded than you" is, like, the most basic level of politics. Without delving into :biotruths:

, even chimps have that one figured out, so we're probably stuck with it. :sigh:

# ? Mar 30, 2014 10:43

Rutkowski: Apr 28, 2008; CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS GUY?

Fun thing is that Swedish poles still get very discriminated at the housing and job market. As someone with a polish surname, it's very very obvious.

# ? Mar 30, 2014 10:52

Guildencrantz: May 1, 2012; IM ONE OF THE GOOD ONES

Rutkowski posted:

Fun thing is that Swedish poles still get very discriminated at the housing and job market. As someone with a polish surname, it's very very obvious.

All the more reason to join the Sweden Democrats! It's the only way to end the discrimination by proving you're a true, loyal Swede. (I'm sure there's a joke in there about the term Stockholm Syndrome)

Plus, in a lot of source countries like Poland or ex-Yugoslavia (lots of SD members from there too if I'm not mistaken), racist views are more easily accepted, so it's a natural electorate. I used to do guided tours in Sweden. You wouldn't believe the number of tourists who thought the best way to strike up a conversation with their tour guide was to open with horrible racist poo poo, ranging from "Sweden would be perfect if it wasn't full of, well, you know" to full-on "oh yeah, it's wonderful here, too bad it'll collapse soon since they're letting the savages take over".

# ? Mar 30, 2014 14:03

NihilismNow: Aug 31, 2003

Orange Devil posted:

Gotta kick that ladder.

Also I love the whole "the police doesn't dare go there" bullshit. I heard the same poo poo at my Dutch high school about a trailer park (sorta, not entirely analogous to the US version) in a nearby village. Except, of course, it's totally bullshit.

Except it is not. The police does not go into gypsy camps on normal occaisions. When they do it is with full SWAT like teams and hundreds of men and police helicopters circling overhead and it makes the national news.
edit: Note that several of these raids were conducted because tax inspectors could not do their work in the camps without such a show of force.

NihilismNow fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Mar 30, 2014

# ? Mar 30, 2014 14:06

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

NihilismNow posted:

Except it is not. The police does not go into gypsy camps on normal occaisions. When they do it is with full SWAT like teams and hundreds of men and police helicopters circling overhead and it makes the national news.
edit: Note that several of these raids were conducted because tax inspectors could not do their work in the camps without such a show of force.

Not according to the police officers I spoke to about the woonwagenkamp in Rucphen, so eh.

Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Mar 30, 2014

# ? Mar 30, 2014 15:02

Mans: Sep 14, 2011; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/french-government-threat-election-blow-23124153

Welp, thanks for the effort Hollande. 3\10

# ? Mar 31, 2014 18:41

KoldPT: Oct 9, 2012

Mans posted:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/french-government-threat-election-blow-23124153

Welp, thanks for the effort Hollande. 3\10

Valls is going to be nominated. Fight fascism with fascism.

# ? Mar 31, 2014 18:46

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Valls? Goddamn this is a loving nightmare.

Edit: he truly is the new Prime Minister hahahahaha :stonk:

Reminder that Valls was the right most participant in the Socialist presidential primaries, got the least amount of votes (okay besides the Non-socialist dude), he calls himself is a Blairist, as Interior Minister continued the ill treatment of Romas.

Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Mar 31, 2014

# ? Mar 31, 2014 19:39

hump day bitches!: Apr 3, 2011

Wtf are you doing france?

# ? Mar 31, 2014 21:39

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

France is a very important country, and they're pretty tired of others forgetting that.

# ? Apr 1, 2014 00:25

Kassad: Nov 12, 2005; It's about time.

Lamadrid posted:

Wtf are you doing france?

Competing with the UK for the right to become the unofficial 51st US state!

# ? Apr 2, 2014 08:10

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A Buttery Pastry posted:

And just to give an update on Denmark, the Danish People's Party would now be the second largest party in Denmark according to the most recent poll, at 21% of the votes. On top of that, one of our big "political experts" has joined me in thinking it's not entirely implausible for them to become the largest party by the next election. I guess the best we can hope for is them fumbling when they can no longer act simply as opposition or just a supporter of the government, and actually have to be in a position of taking hits for their failures.

This is truly horrifying news, but I don't think we'll see DFs supremacy lasting more than one election. As you note, they thrive on being contrarian fucktards, and though they are one of the most media-savvy parties out there, you can only call for a christian jihad so long before the danes tire of your poo poo.

What is much worse as I see it, is that they will allow some really racist statements to become acceptable in the public discourse, giving members and justifications to the violent neo-nazis we have on the street level.

# ? Apr 2, 2014 10:01

YF-23: Feb 17, 2011; My god, it's full of cat!

A video leaked a couple days back showing the Greek government's general secretary on very friendly terms with the Golden Dawn's top dog:

Article

quote:

Golden Dawn spokesperson triggers political storm by releasing taped conversation with government general secretary (Full English Transcript) (UPD)

Ilias Kasidiaris has released a conversation he appears to have secretly videotaped with the coalition government's general secretary (and a close adviser to Antonis Samaras) Panagiotis Baltakos. The official spokesperson of the neo-nazi party claims that the conversation proves the ongoing investigation into the neo-nazi party is politically motivated.
UPD: The government General Secre Panagiotis Baltakos has resigned following the uproar over the video. In written statement he maintained that 'Everything that was said by me was with the intention of putting an end to the pressure exerted on me by Golden Dawn MPs who accused me of participating in a conspiracy against them."

"Due to the commotion that was created and for reasons of personal sensitivity I have submitted my resignation."

Meanwhile there are reports that Mr Baltakos's son, Takis flew into a rage over the video, and stormed to the parliamentary offices of Golden Dawn where, livid with rage he cursed and lashed out ar Golden Dawn MPs, catching several with kicks and punches.

See here for detailed reactions to the explosive video

Mr Baltakos can be seen in the video responding frankly to questions by Ilias Kasidiaris about the moves to press charges against the group. He appears to imply that Mr Samaras sought the prosecution of Golden Dawn by Public Order Minister Nikos Dendias and Justice Minister Haris Athansiou because of fears that the party was drawing support from New Democracy.

Several of Golden Dawn�s MPs including its leader are imprisoned pending trial on charges of belonging to a criminal organisation that were launched following the murder of anti-fascist rapper Pavlos Fyssas in the autumn. Among the evidence collected by investigators includes weapons and photographic evidence depicting military style training camps and Nazi inspired swearing in ceremonies.

Kasidiaris himself as well as two other MPs were also detained but released pending trial. In the video Mr Baltakos describes Antonis Samaras as having flown into a rage when he heard of the release of the three.

Mr Baltakos is believed to be headed to the Prime Ministers office to offer explanations and his resignation. Coalition partner PASOK has already demanded Mr Baltakos resign in a heated response to the video.

Below is the video and the transcript provided by Kasidiaris (transcript translated by TPPi in full):

Kasidiaris:First of all when I got out, how did Samaras react can you tell me?

Baltakos: He was in America then

Kasidiaris: Yeah he was in America, but I heard that he went crazy.

Baltakos: Shock and awe! It was chaos, a shitstorm� he didn�t call me, I had said to him that with all this that you�re doing� I had warned him. He wouldn�t talk to me about it. He called the other two and loving let them have it. [Justice Minister] Athanasios and [Public Order Minister] Dendias: �You tricked me, you fooled me, what is this! I�ve been humiliated!� Because the previous day he had made a statement to the American Zionist conference that �I did it, I locked them up, see ya!� and the next day you got out.

Kasidiaris: With the magistrate who let us out there at that point, what happened? Why did they do a somersault afterwards, after letting us out, after getting the others they flipped.

Baltakos: They let you out for the simple reason that there is no evidence.

Kasidiaris: Yeah, ok, there was nothing

Baltakos: And no one called them to convince them because they all thought it was obvious� they all thought it was a given: �well what�s the magistrate going to do?� But the magistrate didn�t have any evidence. Nothing!

Kasidiaris: He didn�t have for the others either.

Baltakos: But for the others there were... [Baltakos here holds a mock phone up to his ear to indicate that calls were made from the government to justice officials to ensure that the other MPs were not released. Note this is one interpretation. A second is that Baltakos is implying that the other defendents had been wire-tapped. It is not 100% clear which one is correct.]

Kasidiaris: Who did the damage there?

Baltakos: Both of them

Kasidiaris: Dendias, Athanasiou?

Baltakos: Who else?

Kasidiaris: And what does Samaras say about this, does he realize what is happening to him?

Baltakos: No, at the beginning he didn�t� but now that he�s seen the polls� he thinks, bourgeois as he is, all these fantastic things: �They�ll fall to 2%�... I tell him, �I think they�ll go to 20%� �You�re an idiot� he tells me.

Kasidiaris: Who told him to do these things?

Baltakos: First of all he�s frightened for himself. Because you prevent him from having a lead over SYRIZA

Kasidiaris: Ok he�s cutting votes

Baltakos: It makes sense

Kasidiaris: And because we draw votes from him he�s going to put us in jail?

Baltakos: The cocksucker� it�s an unbelievable thing. Unbelievable

Kasidiaris: And what Roupakiotis said? [That Samaras was acting on the orders of the �Jews and Americans�]

Baltakos: That�s for sure. I mean he did it the week that he was going there [to the US]

Kasidiaris: [Chief State Prosecutor] Goutzamanis? those things that she did? Yet I have information that she was on the right and did things by the book

Baltakos: (Does his cross)

Kasidiaris: She�s religious

Baltakos: Yes

Kasidiaris: : How did she do those heinous things with Vourliotis and the set up of that report?

Baltakos: They convinced her that �they're pagans, idolaters, nazis and they are the opposite of Christians.

Kasidiaris: Who convinced her of this?

Baltakos: Athanasiou and Dendias

Kasidiaris: : You should go to the prosecutor and say who has set up this whole plan. That Athanasiou gave orders to Goutzamani, that Samaras gave the order to Athanasiou and of them should be put on trial. If you are a fair person that�s what you need to do.

Baltakos: If I did that there would be a preliminary hearing for half an hour and it would go in the archive

Kasidiaris: You think eh?

Baltakos: Of courtse! With a Samaras government I would do it? To which Prosecutor should I go? Goutzamani is the Prosecutor. Shall I go and denounce Goutzamani to herself?

Kasidiaris: How did Goutzamani become Prosecutor of the Supreme Court?

Baltakos: They�re from the same village [i.e. Samaras and Goutzamani]

Kasidiaris: : Oh so she�s paying off the debt

Baltakos: Yes, they're from the same village. Well not the same village, but they're opposite, like this. But they got in at the same time, they�re almost the same age. They�re from the same place. We don�t need to puzzle over it.

Damage control since: Baltakos has been trying to make it look like he was doing this on his own, acting as a spy of sorts, without Samaras (the prime minister) knowing about it. I'm not sure anyone actually buys that piss-poor explanation.

# ? Apr 4, 2014 10:37

fafish: May 10, 2012

There are many people though that approve the lift of immunity of Golden Dawn leadership and the role of the Government in that. The main left critique is that the government was late in doing so and ONLY after the death of Pavlos Fissas, a white greek male, actions were taken so that many of the cases against Golden Dawn being brought to court.

# ? Apr 4, 2014 18:18

YF-23: Feb 17, 2011; My god, it's full of cat!

fafish posted:

There are many people though that approve the lift of immunity of Golden Dawn leadership and the role of the Government in that. The main left critique is that the government was late in doing so and ONLY after the death of Pavlos Fissas, a white greek male, actions were taken so that many of the cases against Golden Dawn being brought to court.

There is a huge critique available thanks to this leak: First, because New Democracy/the government was doing this just in order to get an electoral advantage over SYRIZA. Second, because it shows there's a connexion that runs deep between the government and Golden Dawn (Baltakos' post, general secretary of the government, is very important and appointed by the prime minister). Third, because of both of the previous points it brings into question the honesty of the persecution against the Golden Dawn; if it's only done to get an electoral advantage over SYRIZA by cutting into GD's polling, and they are on good terms with them, there's a good chance the persecution itself was just a show that avoided actually harming GD.

# ? Apr 4, 2014 19:02

ekuNNN: Nov 27, 2004; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

http://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2014-04-06/news/lega-nord-activists-sortie-on-tunisia-flounders-in-farce-off-malta-4517920768

quote:

Seven Lega Nord activists wanted to make a point by sailing a rubber dinghy from Italy to Tunisia to show how easy it is for asylum seekers to cross over in the opposite direction.

But their adventure ended in a farce.

The seven � brothers Diego and Giovanni Murtaro, Michele Brambilla, Gino Troisi, Giacomo Gremini, Fausto Sarti and Remo Girenni, aided and abetted by party secretary Matteo Salvini � left Modena, their home town, early one morning and drove to Melito di Porto Salvo, in the extreme south of Italy, next to Reggio Calabria, where they boarded the rubber dinghy they had brought with them, flying the Lega Nord flag.

But when they were near Malta, the dinghy�s motor caught fire. After they had put out the fire, the Leghisti tried to launch a distress signal. Somehow, however, the launcher must have been facing the wrong direction, for the flare pierced the rubber dinghy and they all ended up in the sea.

A second distress flare was launched and this time the Maltese Armed Forces were informed and saved the activists from the sea.

Apart from being ridiculed all over the Italian press, and even in the Lega Nord paper itself, the seven will now have to pay for being saved from the sea.

Instead of covering themselves with glory, they only succeeded in covering themselves with ridicule. And they actually proved that it is easy for sea trips of this sort to end in tragedy � and in Malta, where neither they nor asylum seekers want to land.

Also, in Dutch news: ~70 people protested in support of Geert Wilders racist comments in Nijmegen this weekend, but luckily ~250 protested against their widely publicised march

# ? Apr 7, 2014 02:28

Rutkowski: Apr 28, 2008; CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS GUY?

ekuNNN posted:

http://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2014-04-06/news/lega-nord-activists-sortie-on-tunisia-flounders-in-farce-off-malta-4517920768

Also, in Dutch news: ~70 people protested in support of Geert Wilders racist comments in Nijmegen this weekend, but luckily ~250 protested against their widely publicised march

Apparently the news was a hoax but goddamn it was a fun one.

# ? Apr 7, 2014 12:42

ekuNNN: Nov 27, 2004; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Rutkowski posted:

Apparently the news was a hoax but goddamn it was a fun one.

Haha, yeah I just found that out too. It was too perfect to be true :allears:

# ? Apr 7, 2014 15:54

Rutkowski: Apr 28, 2008; CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS GUY?

Cops tell the general public to stay away from J�nk�ping(and if you're already there, stay inside) where the nazis have a may day parade.

The public's response? Arm up and roll out. There's a mobilization that hasn't been seen since the 30th of November parades in the 90's. People are tired of the nazis and the cops that protect them and refuse to let the nazis control where people can and cannot be. Stay tuned on the first of may because goddamn, it's going to be something else.

# ? Apr 15, 2014 11:49

ekuNNN: Nov 27, 2004; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Filip Dewinter, leader of the Belgian party Vlaams Belang went postering for the elections on tuesday, in an Croatian army jacket bearing the white power symbol. Vlaams Belang got 15% of the vote in the last elections.

# ? Apr 16, 2014 12:58

Doktor Avalanche: Dec 30, 2008

ekuNNN posted:

Filip Dewinter, leader of the Belgian party Vlaams Belang went postering for the elections on tuesday, in an Croatian army jacket bearing the white power symbol.

Is there any reason why he was wearing a Croatian army jacket?
As a Croat, I feel vaguely offended by this.

# ? Apr 16, 2014 18:09

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Barbe Rouge posted:

Is there any reason why he was wearing a Croatian army jacket?
As a Croat, I feel vaguely offended by this.

Welcome to the EU.

# ? Apr 16, 2014 18:18

Antwan3K: Mar 8, 2013

Barbe Rouge posted:

Is there any reason why he was wearing a Croatian army jacket?
As a Croat, I feel vaguely offended by this.

He is desperate and wants to provoke outrage, because that used to work to put their issues in the center of Belgian politics. Nowadays, they are mostly ignored as a political entity and keep leaking votes to N-VA. The problem is that all mainstream parties have shifted their rhetoric towards their programme over the years (Strong on migration! Law and Order! War on Drugs!)

Antwan3K fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Apr 16, 2014

# ? Apr 16, 2014 18:48

ekuNNN: Nov 27, 2004; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Barbe Rouge posted:

Is there any reason why he was wearing a Croatian army jacket?
As a Croat, I feel vaguely offended by this.

Well, it also has the emblem of the HOS. From the wikipage on the Far Right in Croatia:

quote:

Among the organizations formed during wartime which were most commonly associated with neo-Ustashism was the Croatian Defence Forces (Hrvatske obrambene snage, HOS), which emerged as the de facto paramilitary wing of the Croatian Party of Rights. Their symbols included dressing in black, at the time widely perceived to be reminiscent of blackshirts, and using the phrase Za dom spremni (Ready for the home-land).

So I guess the HOS militia is kind of a symbol for far right nationalist Croats, maybe? How he got to wear it though I have no idea. A Belgian newspaper wrote about it:
"According to Dewinter it was a jacket from his youth which he always used to wear when he went postering, so it was only meant as personal nostalgia."

Another pic where you can see the HOS patch clearer:

I guess nationalist shitheads stick together if they consider each other white enough.

# ? Apr 17, 2014 01:07

Doktor Avalanche: Dec 30, 2008

I know about HOS and I recognized the patch, I just thought he maybe had some kind of connection to Croatia since it seems like a pretty specific thing to wear.

# ? Apr 17, 2014 06:12

OwlBot 2000: Jun 1, 2009

The international far right love Croatia because the Ustase were insanely zealous and brutal.

# ? Apr 17, 2014 06:18

ulvir: Jan 2, 2005

This is certainly something. http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.585897

# ? Apr 17, 2014 10:02

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

ulvir posted:

This is certainly something. http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.585897

Russians on reddit claim it is Ukraine that is the one registering jews, and they use this as proof :wtc:

# ? Apr 17, 2014 18:12

Captain_Maclaine: Sep 30, 2001; Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

OwlBot 2000 posted:

The international far right love Croatia because the Ustase were insanely zealous and brutal.

To add to this for those unfamiliar with just how bad the Ustase regime was: They were the only non-German fascists to build their own extermination camp.

# ? Apr 17, 2014 20:03

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

They also operated with the implicit approval of the Pope and the Catholic Church in general, perhaps to an even greater degree than Nazi Germany. Isn't that lovely?

# ? Apr 17, 2014 20:07

ProperGanderPusher: Jan 13, 2012

PT6A posted:

They also operated with the implicit approval of the Pope and the Catholic Church in general, perhaps to an even greater degree than Nazi Germany. Isn't that lovely?

To be fair, the Church had pretty explicitly condemned major tenants of Nazi ideology under Pius XI, and even spoke out against the Nazi State directly when they began killing the disabled during Action T4.

Their stance towards Croatian fascism however was woefully politically minded and weak from the beginning, and it's a bit shocking this period in history isn't brought up more when the subject of Pius XII's canonization is being discussed.

# ? Apr 18, 2014 18:38

ekuNNN: Nov 27, 2004; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Some good news: Swedish anti-fascist Showan Shattak, known by the hashtag and campaign #K�mpaShowan (K�mpa means fight or struggle), who was stabbed by Swedish nazis trained by Svoboda in Euromaidan, is doing well.

quote:

"Yesterday after 6 weeks of neurological Department and 4 operations, I finished my intensive care.
I have now moved to a more open hospital with better conditions.
The last operation on my skull comes within a month, and the way back to a more normal everyday life will continue through in the summer.

Don't know what I would have done without all the help and sympathy that I and my family have received recently.
The road has been punctuated with massive solidarity greetings from friends, peers, football fans and especially the MFF-family.
Warmth anti-fascism in your action and gives me strength.

So thanks to all football fans and the whole drat Malm�-you should know that I had done exactly the same thing for you.

Battle of Malm�-our strength is our numbers!

Showan 18/04/2014"

# ? Apr 18, 2014 23:35

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# ? May 23, 2024 18:04

Obdicut: May 15, 2012; "What election?"

ekuNNN posted:

Some good news: Swedish anti-fascist Showan Shattak, known by the hashtag and campaign #K�mpaShowan (K�mpa means fight or struggle), who was stabbed by Swedish nazis trained by Svoboda in Euromaidan, is doing well.

What training do you need to stab someone, and why is there any reason to think Euromaidan was involved?

# ? Apr 19, 2014 15:04

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