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Solaris Knight posted:It's so weird that one of the first major villains the X-Men had wasn't Sabretooth, Mystique, or the Sentinels, but the Blob of all people. And Metal Loaf is correct on that end Sabretooth wasn't even an X-Men villain; he was a guy Claremont and Byrne came up with as an enemy for Iron Fist, which they collaborated on before X-Men. He became Wolverine's main enemy after the fact. Same deal with Mystique, actually. Claremont created her when he was writing Ms Marvel. Same deal with Deathbird, actually (though I'm not sure she was another one of Claremont's villains). They both shifted over to X-Men because nobody else was using them.
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Solaris Knight posted:It's so weird that one of the first major villains the X-Men had wasn't Sabretooth, Mystique, or the Sentinels, but the Blob of all people. And Metal Loaf is correct on that end Early X-men was weird and stupid. Someone who only knows the 90s tv series and the movies would be so confused if you handed them some of those issues.
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Mar 29, 2014 20:28
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Metal Loaf posted:Sabretooth wasn't even an X-Men villain; he was a guy Claremont and Byrne came up with as an enemy for Iron Fist, which they collaborated on before X-Men. Sabretooth was indeed introduced in Iron Fist, but I'm pretty sure Claremont knew what he was doing with him. The issue takes place immediately before a team-up with the X-Men (which Claremont was in his second year of writing at the time) and there are a couple subtle hints that there was a connection between Wolverine and Sabretooth.
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Mar 29, 2014 23:01
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Most people don't know and wouldn't care either about Wolverine originally being a Canadian assassin sent to kill the Hulk.
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Mar 29, 2014 23:04
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Random Stranger posted:I think you mean I love every variation of this  Ultimate Comics Spider-Man #14
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Mar 29, 2014 23:08
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I love how neither of those are the face of an angry woman.
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Mar 29, 2014 23:10
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Mister Roboto posted:Most people don't know and wouldn't care either about Wolverine originally being a Canadian assassin sent to kill the Hulk.  Speaking of Wolverine, nobody mentioned him in that discussion of national-themed heroes even though his mutant ability is having healthcare
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Mar 29, 2014 23:20
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Nilbop posted:I love how neither of those are the face of an angry woman. Kitty looks kind of mad?
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Mar 29, 2014 23:29
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Was "The Ultimate Jerk Squad of America" a Marvel Max title?
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Mar 29, 2014 23:46
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Jerusalem posted:Was "The Ultimate Jerk Squad of America" a Marvel Max title? You may have seen it labelled in stores as "Nextwave: Agents of H.A.T.E"
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Mar 30, 2014 00:32
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Metal Loaf posted:And I'm pretty sure the one mentioned in the X-Men #3 panel posted above (who the Professor is worried may present a danger to the team) was somebody pretty naff like Blob or the Vanisher. It turns out Xavier is a jerk.  Ah, Silver Age "morality". From X-Men #3. Alien Rope Burn fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Mar 30, 2014 |
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Mar 30, 2014 00:41
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Mister Roboto posted:Most people don't know and wouldn't care either about Wolverine originally being a Canadian assassin sent to kill the Hulk. 
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Mar 30, 2014 02:11
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Say Nothing posted:Don't forget his cute whiskered costume, or the fact that he was originally going to be an actual wolverine genetically evolved by the High Evolutionary. He was also a teenager like the rest of the all-new, all-different team, until Cockrum drew him without his mask for the first time.
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Mar 30, 2014 02:14
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Solaris Knight posted:It's so weird that one of the first major villains the X-Men had wasn't Sabretooth, Mystique, or the Sentinels, but the Blob of all people. For a team whose power set in the early days consisted of 'guy who flies/guy who jumps on you with big feet/girl who picks up small objects with her brain/guy who throws ice/guy who shoots punches from his eyes', someone who is immensely strong, more or less invincible, and incapable of being moved if he doesn't want to be WOULD be a major threat, not counting the Professor X telepathy I win button. Really, back in those days, superhero writers just gave people powers, they didn't sit down and THINK about what those powers could do. They just went 'He can make and throw ice at people', not 'If he can freeze ice out of thin air he could freeze the liquids in a body' or 'If he can extract heat to make ice, then he should be able to reverse it and add heat to things too and hence he has fire powers too'. By pure scientific logic, Magneto should be able to kill 99 percent of the threats he faces with a gesture (he controls electromagnetism, brains and robots run on electrical signals, turn off the signals and enemy falls over dead), hell, Captain Marvel/Photon/Spectrum/Monica Rambeau was recently able to kill a weakened physical avatar of Shuma-Gorath by tapping into its brainwave electrical activity and overloading it. Cornwind Evil fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Mar 30, 2014 |
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Mar 30, 2014 02:46
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Magneto's powers in the early days were so undefined he could create new ones by using puns and idioms. [X-Men #18]
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Mar 30, 2014 03:14
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:
 Now I'm going to have to tell everyone I know about this factoid, because it's too good to not be true.
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Mar 30, 2014 04:08
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One of the first comics I ever owned had Magneto controlling people's mind a by affecting the iron in their blood, or something. He turned the X-men into his personal slaves and had Wanda dance for him...
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Mar 30, 2014 09:04
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Jesus Christ, comic books are loving stupid.
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Mar 30, 2014 09:22
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Mar 30, 2014 09:57
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It's Batman #700
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Mar 30, 2014 10:11
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KayTee posted:One of the first comics I ever owned had Magneto controlling people's mind a by affecting the iron in their blood, or something. Magneto was, admittedly, a really, really bad villain during the X-Men's "wilderness" years.
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Mar 30, 2014 10:54
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From Fraction's Defenders #2.  Dr. Strange...
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Mar 30, 2014 11:05
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I'm kind of confused. So Red She-Hulk turns human when she is scared or upset?
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Mar 30, 2014 11:13
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Schneider Heim posted:From Fraction's Defenders #2. Hitting on her or whispering a truth of the universe that no one would want to know, could go either way.
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Mar 30, 2014 11:23
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KayTee posted:One of the first comics I ever owned had Magneto controlling people's mind a by affecting the iron in their blood, or something. I thought he did the whole mind control thing because brain waves are electromagnetic, and he is the MASTER OF MAGNETISM. (indeed, it's surprisingly predictive, given the growth of both MRI scanning and transcranial magnetic stimulation of the brain) Seriously, if you actually extrapolate 'power of MAGNETS' to the limits, you get something ridiculous, because magnets and electricity are basically the same thing. Magnets are cool.
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Mar 30, 2014 11:40
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thespaceinvader posted:ISeriously, if you actually extrapolate 'power of MAGNETS' to the limits, you get something ridiculous, because magnets and electricity are basically the same thing. I keep waiting for Magneto to come up against another cosmic-grade threat and go "I've decided you don't have electrons anymore." *boom*
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Mar 30, 2014 12:00
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thespaceinvader posted:I thought he did the whole mind control thing because brain waves are electromagnetic, and he is the MASTER OF MAGNETISM.  [Avengers #111]
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Mar 30, 2014 12:17
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Exit Strategy posted:I keep waiting for Magneto to come up against another cosmic-grade threat and go "I've decided you don't have electrons anymore." *boom*
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Mar 30, 2014 12:21
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Ghostlight posted:The problem is you overthought it for the decade it was written in! And there it is!  Huh - it was an avengers comic. I had it in a big hardcover annual.
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Mar 30, 2014 12:25
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Cardboard Box A posted:Why does anyone worry about Galactus anymore? Magneto could just *poof* him. Galactus has no shits to give about the laws of physics, hell Tony Stark has no shits to give about the laws of physics. Magneto is a chump, "oh let me just apply the rule of the universe to people who ignore them all the time and ow my face!"
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Mar 30, 2014 12:30
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Jubilee's powers can split atoms. Maddrox's powers violate conservation of mass and energy. Hank Pym could shrink all threats to sub-atomic size easily. Vision and Shadowcat should be able to defeat everyone who isn't an energy manipulator in 3 seconds by punching them in the brain. But if writers acknowledged all this poo poo, comics would be really boring. And it actually kind of bugs me when a writer thinks it's "badass" to have a character suddenly ignore the agreed-upon in-universe limitations of their powers to one-shot a threat, because it really hurts the suspension of disbelief.
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Lurdiak posted:Jubilee's powers can split atoms. Maddrox's powers violate conservation of mass and energy. Hank Pym could shrink all threats to sub-atomic size easily. Vision and Shadowcat should be able to defeat everyone who isn't an energy manipulator in 3 seconds by punching them in the brain. But if writers acknowledged all this poo poo, comics would be really boring. And it actually kind of bugs me when a writer thinks it's "badass" to have a character suddenly ignore the agreed-upon in-universe limitations of their powers to one-shot a threat, because it really hurts the suspension of disbelief. usually the means of them not doing these things is them not knowing. finding out in a moment of absolute rage/wrath/sadness/insert trigger emotion here.
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SirDan3k posted:Galactus has no shits to give about the laws of physics Exactly. Magneto: The laws of the universe state tha- Galactus: YOUR universe. 
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Mar 30, 2014 12:47
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Similarly power cosmic should be able to vaporize anyone. Instead Surfer just blasts stuff.
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Mar 30, 2014 13:05
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ImpAtom posted:I'm kind of confused. So Red She-Hulk turns human when she is scared or upset? The page before explains that, yeah. Speaking of Magneto and Galactus, the author of Perry Bible Fellowship did this: 
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Mar 30, 2014 13:56
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Just a heads up: The first TPB of Rat Queens is now out. Go buy it.
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Mar 30, 2014 17:02
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All this talk about Magneto reminds me of the book "The Physics of Superheroes" by James Kaklios, where he spends a whole book teaching basic physics while having these kinds of nerd tangents. Like it's basically all "If we make the exception that so and so hero has so and so power set, this is actually how it has to work in the real world" throughout it. There's interesting stuff like how Magneto and Electro have the same drat power set, or a whole tangent on his favorite hero, physics professor Ray Palmer's various escapades (The telephone transportation trick actually would work via landlines!). He debunks some things, and calculates others, like when Spider-man first fought Electro the writers clearly had no idea how "grounding" actually worked, or another long bit where he calculates exactly what size the planet Krypton must have been pre-explodey times based mostly on how Supes' powers work. And finally my favorite bit, how he goes at length to prove that Spider-Man really did kill Gwen Stacey, but that GG's explanation for why is complete and utter crap.
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^IIRC that explanation on how Gwen Stacy died made so much more sense that Marvel made it the official explanation and had GG correct himself once when taunting Peter.
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Mar 30, 2014 22:08
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 Ultimate Spider-Man #67.
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The thing that gets me is someone on the staff clearly knew what was what reality wise, because when Pete catches her by the ankle, you see a little "crack!" onomatopoeia next to her neck. GG's weird speech about the wind force killing her makes no sense, but the sudden halt in velocity snapping her neck is perfectly sound.
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