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orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



DisgracelandUSA posted:

This derail is utterly retarded. I'd rather go back to talking about Erotica 1 and his mentally handicapped victims.


Literally, the first thing you did when you joined Goonwaffe this time was start goonfucking:



Get hosed.

Ok you haven't changed a bit prencleeve, you post good but you are still a goonfucking piece of poo poo. :frogout:

orange juche fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Mar 30, 2014

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vyst
Aug 25, 2009



Real chat Prencleeve: I firmly believe you've probably reformed your horrible autistic type eve life you were living vicariously through us and as you've gotten older you may or may not have matured a bit. But for real the headaches you've caused in the past wayyyyyyy overshadow any kind of reformation you're trying to go through now. This is just the way it is. I think it's cool if you want to participate in the thread and be friendly to people but you should just move on to other coalitions like Uba Stij and others have done in this thead.

This is about as honest and real as it will get.

Margaret Thatcher
Jan 2, 2013

by Cowcaster

vyst posted:

Real chat Prencleeve: I firmly believe you've probably reformed your horrible autistic type eve life you were living vicariously through us and as you've gotten older you may or may not have matured a bit. But for real the headaches you've caused in the past wayyyyyyy overshadow any kind of reformation you're trying to go through now. This is just the way it is. I think it's cool if you want to participate in the thread and be friendly to people but you should just move on to other coalitions like Uba Stij and others have done in this thead.

This is about as honest and real as it will get.

Alright sorry guys. Gonna apply to GROON.

e: who is the gayest goon?

ee: found it out, don't worry - http://www.greatergoon.com/showthread.php?46588-The-Lost-Rabbi

Margaret Thatcher fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Mar 30, 2014

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




vyst posted:

I think it's cool if you want to participate in the thread and be friendly to people but you should just move on to other coalitions like Uba Stij and others have done in this thead.

Uba Stij was goon?

AdorableStar
Jul 13, 2013

:patriot:


Margaret Thatcher posted:

Alright sorry guys. Gonna apply to GROON.

e: who is the gayest goon?

Did you put blawrf in?

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Margaret Thatcher posted:

Alright sorry guys. Gonna apply to GROON.

Don't touch my ESS in Deklein and basically just stay the gently caress out of CFC space and we will be cool, if you don't do that, Deklein Police will put out an APB on you and hunt you down.

Margaret Thatcher
Jan 2, 2013

by Cowcaster

orange juche posted:

Don't touch my ESS in Deklein and basically just stay the gently caress out of CFC space and we will be cool, if you don't do that, Deklein Police will put out an APB on you and hunt you down.

Fear not, I've just taken my world famous Goon Jam off the menu.

terrified of my bathroom
Jan 24, 2014

GAY BOATS

Kheldragar posted:

Did you put blawrf in?

Lets be honest, there's no other valid answer.

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



kalstrams posted:

Uba Stij was goon?

Yea briefly.

Coolwhoami
Sep 13, 2007

Blawrf posted:

I can tell you who sponsored him :v:

At least we know for sure he is sponsored, he has for awhile now been spinning some idiotic web so no one can know if he's sponsored or not.

Voyager I
Jun 29, 2012

This is how your posting feels.
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Can we have him back?

We should make a GSF Foreign Legion for spies that are chill to have in fleets. They can still roam around with us in Syndicate, they just can't go near anything important.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Margaret Thatcher posted:

Fear not, I've just taken my world famous Goon Jam off the menu.

I don't believe you, I'll leave that up to other more effort prone members of the CFC to determine if you are trying to be a worthless turdburglar. If you keep slipping in and attempting to goonfuck people you will never make friends. You don't shake a man's hand and then gently caress his wife, it's just not a thing to do.

This lesson applies to real life as well, you will never ever make friends with real life people if you smile at them and then backstab them when they aren't looking.

Sure, it seems goony to do that, but part of growing up is knowing when and where such action is appropriate, and when it is not appropriate.

orange juche fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Mar 30, 2014

Thrasophius
Oct 27, 2013

Wait so Ivar the terrible and Margaret thatcher are preencleeve? I've seen people mention he has spent a lot on SA accounts but just how many times has this guy tried for people to root him out instantly?

Please tell me that video is fake because saying you've changed from when you where 11 then making a video reminding the CEO you have his phone number... Doesn't leave people with the impression you've changed.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Thrasophius posted:

Wait so Ivar the terrible and Margaret thatcher are preencleeve? I've seen people mention he has spent a lot on SA accounts but just how many times has this guy tried for people to root him out instantly?

Please tell me that video is fake because saying you've changed from when you where 11 then making a video reminding the CEO you have his phone number... Doesn't leave people with the impression you've changed.

Yes that is the same person and no he apparently has not changed, the little part of his brain that has a spidey sense that tells him "this might not be a good idea, to gently caress the people who let me into the alliance" does not work yet or properly apparently.

Margaret Thatcher
Jan 2, 2013

by Cowcaster

Thrasophius posted:

Wait so Ivar the terrible and Margaret thatcher are preencleeve? I've seen people mention he has spent a lot on SA accounts but just how many times has this guy tried for people to root him out instantly?

Please tell me that video is fake because saying you've changed from when you where 11 then making a video reminding the CEO you have his phone number... Doesn't leave people with the impression you've changed.

No, that video is me when I was 11.

orange juche posted:

Yes that is the same person and no he apparently has not changed, the little part of his brain that has a spidey sense that tells him "this might not be a good idea, to gently caress the people who let me into the alliance" does not work yet or properly apparently.

It's worth noting that I did that recruitment chat stuff after Digi found me out and kicked me. I was a bit annoyed so I just spammed a few chats, again - sorry.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Margaret Thatcher posted:

It's worth noting that I did that recruitment chat stuff after Digi found me out and kicked me. I was a bit annoyed so I just spammed a few chats, again - sorry.

"I got a little annoyed so I shat all over the goons that were pulling marks from recruitment and then acted like a jackass when someone confronted me about it." :frogout:

Blawrf
Oct 10, 2009

Hi, I'm Blawrf, and you can dock in my station anytime~~

Rowwr

Margaret Thatcher posted:

No, that video is me when I was 11.


It's worth noting that I did that recruitment chat stuff after Digi found me out and kicked me. I was a bit annoyed so I just spammed a few chats, again - sorry.

vyst posted:

Real chat Prencleeve: I firmly believe you've probably reformed your horrible autistic type eve life you were living vicariously through us and as you've gotten older you may or may not have matured a bit. But for real the headaches you've caused in the past wayyyyyyy overshadow any kind of reformation you're trying to go through now. This is just the way it is. I think it's cool if you want to participate in the thread and be friendly to people but you should just move on to other coalitions like Uba Stij and others have done in this thead.

This is about as honest and real as it will get.

That's the best advice you're gonna get.

Voyager I
Jun 29, 2012

This is how your posting feels.
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Let's just go ahead and say the Preencleeve chat is settled. He knows how to post, he's apparently accepted that he's not getting in off of Vyst's advice, so let's just move on until Digi finds another parachute account.

In other news, I'm about two months away from a Capswarm Naglfar. What would people say is the appropriate amount of bling for one of them? Faction Gyros seem like a pretty reasonable investment, but where would be the best places to spend money? Would a Dread clone with some decent gunnery implants be another reasonable investment, and does Capswarm reimburse for their recommended T2 rigs?

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Margaret Thatcher posted:

It's worth noting that I did that recruitment chat stuff after Digi found me out and kicked me. I was a bit annoyed so I just spammed a few chats, again - sorry.

I still don't get how you have not figured out how to keep your head low, I mean really, it is not hard to join the revolving door that is the CFC, you just must be wholly unable to deal with people or something. That said I do like it when pings go out that you are kill on sight. Makes me feel safer at night knowing digi is standing the watch keeping idiots out.


Can we please go back to talking about AFK cloaking?

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I do not see why you are not able to just join some HERO or N3 corp, prencleeve. You have by now scammed several billion ISK, which is ehough to buy a carrier alt and carrier. Do that, and join some worthless hanger-on corp that is part of N3 and show up to fleets with your carrier. Wait for the next time the coalition fractures, and use that opportunity to get into one of the core alliance corps. I think a major issue you have with all of this is that, despite trying at it for three years, you have yet to develop patience.

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

orange juche posted:

Can we please go back to talking about AFK cloaking?

There is a guy who afk cloaks in deklein in an ibis. I rat in the systems he camps, and never have competition for sites.

Margaret Thatcher
Jan 2, 2013

by Cowcaster

Nietzschean posted:

I do not see why you are not able to just join some HERO or N3 corp, prencleeve. You have by now scammed several billion ISK, which is ehough to buy a carrier alt and carrier. Do that, and join some worthless hanger-on corp that is part of N3 and show up to fleets with your carrier. Wait for the next time the coalition fractures, and use that opportunity to get into one of the core alliance corps. I think a major issue you have with all of this is that, despite trying at it for three years, you have yet to develop patience.

I actually spent that ISK on another character that I then put inside Goonwaffe, who was then also subsequently kicked. That was a bit of stupid choice on my part.

But I'm seeing if I can start chilling with the guys in GROON. If not, I guess it's reroll time!

Thrasophius
Oct 27, 2013

My skills have gotten to the point I can begin training for capital ship modules so which is the "best" dreadnaught to go for? I'm closer to flying a naglfar than any of the others.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Thrasophius posted:

My skills have gotten to the point I can begin training for capital ship modules so which is the "best" dreadnaught to go for? I'm closer to flying a naglfar than any of the others.

You answered your own question.

AdorableStar
Jul 13, 2013

:patriot:


Thrasophius posted:

My skills have gotten to the point I can begin training for capital ship modules so which is the "best" dreadnaught to go for? I'm closer to flying a naglfar than any of the others.

Naglfar = Moros > Revelation > Ibis > Phoenix

Voyager I
Jun 29, 2012

This is how your posting feels.
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Remember to get your Phoenix melted down before the Reprocalypse or you'll be stuck trying to insurance fraud it forever.

Rogue AI Goddess
May 10, 2012

I enjoy the sight of humans on their knees.
That was a joke... unless..?

Voyager I posted:

Remember, it's not just them being melodramatic idiots. They literally don't have the parts of their brains that handle judgment, to say nothing about lacking the life experience to put perspective on what they're doing or saying. There's a reason criminal law handles them differently.
When I look at Preencleeve, I can't help but think "there but for the grace of being born a dozen years earlier, go I". I'm lucky that my early teenage online idiocy didn't result in anything worse than becoming the laughingstock of Genocide MUD.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

kalstrams posted:

Uba Stij was goon?

Uba Stij was a spy!

Coolwhoami
Sep 13, 2007

orange juche posted:

Can we please go back to talking about AFK cloaking?

If all of this business about expanding the carrying capacity of a null system is accomplished, AFK cloaking will become far too strong a way to interfere with economic activity short of hoping the person who gets snagged is not you. I do like the idea that Mynnna suggested but only within the context of other changes, though there may be unforseen consequences to such changes. This is also coming from someone who has plenty of other places to go if one decides to sit in a system, whereas renters and alliances which much smaller areas of control do not have such options.

Overall this conversation always sucks because everyone seems to have a horse in it: Either you're someone who rats and you hate it because it negatively impacts your bottom line, or you're someone who does it and you want the status quo to stay the same. Ratters want to be able to rake in cash uninterrupted, Cloakers want a turkey shoot where they get to dictate almost all the aspects of a fight, short of being baited. There is not much to resolve this either way as it stands because ratting is boring as poo poo and does not reward extra effort whatsoever, while discouraging setups that allow you to actually fight back against attackers. Getting people to actually fight you in null without overwhelming force is also rare.

I have no idea how to resolve the ratting aspect of things, as any change you make will inevitably be min-maxed by players (as it should). Perhaps reduce rat volume, make fitting warp disruptors necessary to hold targets, make cargo scanning rats for the best loot boxes? I'm sure those are idiotic ideas but please feel free to tell me why.

terrified of my bathroom
Jan 24, 2014

GAY BOATS
Make pve not hideously boring and make it so ratting in groups/a PvP fleet is rewarded.

So basically incursions, except less dumb shoehorned poo poo.

dialhforhero
Apr 3, 2008
Am I 🧑‍🏫 out of touch🤔? No🧐, it's the children👶 who are wrong🤷🏼‍♂️

Dirty Sanchez posted:

Hell, when I was 11-12 I spent most of my free time hunting for porn in the woods. You hatched a scheme of cartoon villain proportions. Stop squandering you potential.

Late on the response, but...Why was your porn in the woods, or why did you think to look for porn in the woods, and what kind of porn is in the woods exactly? :psyduck:

Doublestep
Sep 8, 2013

Keep on keeping on!

dialhforhero posted:

Late on the response, but...Why was your porn in the woods, or why did you think to look for porn in the woods, and what kind of porn is in the woods exactly? :psyduck:

You ever see a spruce naked? :pervert:

padijun
Feb 5, 2004

murderbears forever

dialhforhero posted:

Late on the response, but...Why was your porn in the woods, or why did you think to look for porn in the woods, and what kind of porn is in the woods exactly? :psyduck:

One kid steals his Dad's porn magazine, but where can he hide it? Not in the house, so the woods are the next obvious hiding place. Thats how woods porn is created

terrified of my bathroom
Jan 24, 2014

GAY BOATS

dialhforhero posted:

Late on the response, but...Why was your porn in the woods, or why did you think to look for porn in the woods, and what kind of porn is in the woods exactly? :psyduck:

:nws::nws:

ijyt posted:

What's the minimum mastery level for flying a battleship? Not necessarily for getting it reimbursed, but to actually be useful in one.

Masteries are dumb and as long as you can fit the reimbursement fit you're good to go.

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

What's the minimum mastery level for flying a battleship? Not necessarily for getting it reimbursed, but to actually be useful in one.

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?

bonewitch posted:

Make pve not hideously boring and make it so ratting in groups/a PvP fleet is rewarded.

So basically incursions, except less dumb shoehorned poo poo.

As someone who doesn't run incursions, what dumb poo poo are you referring to?

AdorableStar
Jul 13, 2013

:patriot:


bonewitch posted:

:nws::nws:


Masteries are dumb and as long as you can fit the reimbursement fit you're good to go.

Spoiler tagging nws is dumb.

Doublestep
Sep 8, 2013

Keep on keeping on!
How is that nws? It's just nature

dragonstalking
Oct 6, 2013

by Shine

bonewitch posted:

Make pve not hideously boring and make it so ratting in groups/a PvP fleet is rewarded.

So basically incursions, except less dumb shoehorned poo poo.

Perhaps having to point rats before they warp out in-structure, or having a similar payout system to incursions to encourage fleets.

I'm sure certain ratting types will howl, but making the experience more social would be an excellent step in the right direction.

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Coolwhoami
Sep 13, 2007

ijyt posted:

What's the minimum mastery level for flying a battleship? Not necessarily for getting it reimbursed, but to actually be useful in one.

This really depends on the battleship and what you want to do with it. This is why mastery levels are not very good indicators of the skills you should focus on, as it depends. Generally though, you want the relevant turret/launcher/drone skills for your ship high, good cap and fitting skills, armor/shield skills depending on the hull bonus and purpose (at least usually).

For a Baltec Mega, mastery IV is somewhat decent as it would get you into t2 hybrids but it also requires things like combat drones V, scout drones V and drone durability IV which are not nearly as important. This is why mastery tiers cannot be very helpful, as they try to cover all avenues and then either overemphasize or under emphasize all of them.

dragonstalking posted:

Perhaps having to point rats before they warp out in-structure, or having a similar payout system to incursions to encourage fleets.

I'm sure certain ratting types will howl, but making the experience more social would be an excellent step in the right direction.

Or at the very least, make it so having more people in a site is not a bad thing. The social aspect should be optional: More people can lead to more efficiency, but is not required to make decent isk.

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