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I missed Burn Jita. When is Burn Jita 2: Carebears on Fire?
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Mar 31, 2014 02:41
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Eezee posted:If you deliver good enough intel on our enemies there's still a chance for you to get in. Endie brought back Mandozer, so sponsoring you should just be a minor challenge for him. Who then went to Tribal Band and delivered some craptastic abominations like shield tachyon oracles. Then, once Tribe folded like the bag of crap it was post-Fountain, he then spent the time not playing EVE crying about the lack of respect people had for him and his crappy doctrines/FCing. And then PL sponsored him in, because PL likes trophy FCs who don't play for some reason. So, basically, it's not a good comparison. Both are hilariously immature, but one was/is worse than the other.
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Mar 31, 2014 02:42
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dialhforhero posted:Late on the response, but...Why was your porn in the woods, or why did you think to look for porn in the woods, and what kind of porn is in the woods exactly? For those of us who were in our "must find porn years" before the internet, almost all porn was hidden in the woods somewhere. So if you couldn't get your own stash, or you couldn't get to someone else's stash in your home, you had to go hunt for it hidden in the woods.
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Mar 31, 2014 02:42
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Virigoth posted:I missed Burn Jita. When is Burn Jita 2: Carebears on Fire? Aren't we on Burn Jita: The Threequel?
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Mar 31, 2014 02:44
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Fix Lag posted:Aren't we on Burn Jita: The Threequel? What about Burn Notice: Jita. That sounds better.
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Mar 31, 2014 02:51
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Thrasophius posted:Why do some people hate goons so much? As far as I can remember goons have just done what everyone else has done in eve albeit on a grander scale. I mean I've seen people on vendettas against goon scammers and suicide gankers but goons aren't the only people that do that in eve, is it just because of the size and number of goons or something? Space racism.
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Mar 31, 2014 02:54
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Brave Newbies seem to be hitting some rough spots. Poor guys  http://www.reddit.com/r/Bravenewbies/comments/21sleo/good_night_and_good_luck/ former head diplo posted:Tonight BRAVE's council came to a decision that has been developing for three weeks. The decision grew out of a desperate need for change, any change, and when confronted with a counter-proposal it was almost unanimously rejected. The reasons for this play straight into the meta-game, with a member of GSI (Goon Swarm Intelligence) and an agent of another party I'll refrain from specifying working their magic across the council.
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Mar 31, 2014 02:57
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What the gently caress did that post mean? Especially that second paragraph. He seems to see himself as a poet.
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Mar 31, 2014 02:59
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That's right, it's not the toxic atmosphere that's evolved in HERO, it's the work of the shadowy Goonswarm Intelligence, which I don't even know what the gently caress that is since GIA is the our space intelligence agency.
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Mar 31, 2014 02:59
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Uba Stij posted:Brave Newbies seem to be hitting some rough spots. Poor guys  I have no idea what is going on in that post, but I suspect the writer was munching magic mushrooms by the fistful while writing it. Why the gently caress would we bother to drop a GIA agent in the higher eschlons of HERO anyway? That's like dropping a hydrogen bomb into a child's wading pool.
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Mar 31, 2014 03:07
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Thrasophius posted:Why do some people hate goons so much? As far as I can remember goons have just done what everyone else has done in eve albeit on a grander scale. I mean I've seen people on vendettas against goon scammers and suicide gankers but goons aren't the only people that do that in eve, is it just because of the size and number of goons or something? Good question. Reminds me of the time I safari'd an Obelisk. The guy was AFK autopiloting it so I undocked my Tengu and started tearing it to bits. The owner came back when he was in half structure screaming at me in corp chat, looked through my corp history and seen that my character was in Goonfleet once and immediately started raging that "loving goons, of course they'd do poo poo like this". Buddy, don't blame Goons for this. I blew up your ship. Credit where credit's due, jerk.
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Mar 31, 2014 03:14
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darth cookie posted:
Holy poo poo I keep forgetting about this and I keep pooping around in cheapo little ships. When I inevitably get blown up, how to I submit my loss?
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Mar 31, 2014 03:17
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People hate us for one of two reasons really: 1. They are jealous of us. Either because of our wealth, our programs, our numbers, our organization, whatever. 2. They hate how we play the game. Either because they are lovely high sec cocksuckers that got their freighter dunked by Miniluv or we afk cloak systems to gently caress with their ratters, or we blob in engagements. Whatever. It all distills down to one of those two, or both.
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Mar 31, 2014 03:18
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That dude was trying to ape the verbosity of a propaganda speech in the early 20th century, without having a point except "Goons and [unnamed] spies are spreading discontent from the highest to the lowest ranks." Which may not be wrong, it just always seemed like it was more of a case of BNI leadership spitting into the wind about the wrong direction they've taken. The entire idea of BNI works until you stick it into serious business nullsec stuff, which is where they want to take it. At that point they become a cargo cult of a cargo cult.
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Mar 31, 2014 03:22
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Typically the people that hate Goons the most are the same people are huge into the role-playing aspect of the game or believe in space honour and e-bushido bullshit. Basically, the people who take the game way too loving seriously. Like what that Finnish dude said about us, people don't understand Goons because we play the game knowing that it's just a game and as such we almost come off as ironic fakeposters, in space, with a working space-communism. Between our tongue-in-cheek style of play and our amazing programmes, plus the indoctrination that pubbies give scared lil' newbies that goes something like "GOONIESS ARE BAD BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUR CORPIES TOLD ME TO SAY AND ONE OF MY CORPIES WAS DUMB ONCE AND THAT'S WHY GOONIES ARE BAD" we can see why the average pubbie has no idea what they're talking about
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Mar 31, 2014 03:26
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This kind of drama is inevitable when your organization runs into a brick wall and you don't have strong, or effective leadership to get through the trouble. Sure goon spies are probably sowing discontent, but what did they expect to happen when they stepped into null-politics aligned against the CFC, especially with TEST & co. in tow? IMO, if they were going to try to gobble up some sov, they should have forged their own adorable, 'stay classy 7o' path without bringing along the MASSIVE baggage that comes with the allies they chose.
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Mar 31, 2014 03:42
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Ugh it would be so much fun to get an alt into BNI and spread doom and gloom. I wish I had a clean char with a decent amount of SP to insert 
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Mar 31, 2014 03:44
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I dunno, we've worked pretty hard to be seen as the bad guys. The boogeyman. The monster under the space bed. It is a bit disingenuous to act all surprised about it now.
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Mar 31, 2014 03:46
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Angela Christine posted:I dunno, we've worked pretty hard to be seen as the bad guys. The boogeyman. The monster under the space bed. It is a bit disingenuous to act all surprised about it now. I wouldn't say that we've worked hard at it as much as we either haven't done anything about it or just shrugging and saying "uhhhh okay sure I guess" when pubbies are afraid of goonies under their bed. That would be hilarious SIG/Squad. Goonies Under the Bed. It'd be really boring though because it'd just be cloaky alts sitting in prime ratting systems and making people angry.
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Mar 31, 2014 03:50
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I'm seriously considering rolling a brand new character just to find out what life is like in a non-Goon alliance. I have a feeling I'd end up biomassing him in a month.
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Mar 31, 2014 03:51
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Ah so its generally goons are hated because of jealousy, they are different and don't take the game seriously. I've never understood that. Why take the game so seriously, I mean I've done pretty much every underhanded tactic there is to do and one thing that always pops up is, as mentioned, e-honour or e-bushido, my particular favourite being "you are a bad person in eve you must be bad in real life" that one makes me laugh every time. I like how Draleth is certain that these nasty spies are goons but protects the identity of the other entities. Seems like a want to be martyr to me "I'm leaving because goons.... Oh and some other people who I'm not going to talk about but that's not important"
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Mar 31, 2014 03:51
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Tusen Takk posted:I wouldn't say that we've worked hard at it as much as we either haven't done anything about it or just shrugging and saying "uhhhh okay sure I guess" when pubbies are afraid of goonies under their bed. Encouraging people to think there are GIA agents in every closet has been pretty useful to us. BNI aren't the first ones to tear themselves apart looking for agents that don't exist.
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Mar 31, 2014 03:52
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I remember when I was in Pirate Nation (Fawlty's old alliance) we were for some reason given access to Red Alliance's forums and when I read what the Russians were saying I was like  these guys are bad IRL. Also they RMT'd A LOT HOLY poo poo. One dude was selling a 90mil SP pilot for the equivalent of $100 though so no millionaires were made there Angela Christine posted:Encouraging people to think there are GIA agents in every closet has been pretty useful to us. BNI aren't the first ones to tear themselves apart looking for agents that don't exist.
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Mar 31, 2014 03:54
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I still think that the fact we have Internet spaceship spies is really  . The fact that it's absolutely necessary for every alliance that wants to go anywhere in EVE says a whole lot about the game.
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Mar 31, 2014 03:56
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Noctis Horrendae posted:I still think that the fact we have Internet spaceship spies is really Groon has spies now?
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Mar 31, 2014 03:59
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Animal-Mother posted:I'm seriously considering rolling a brand new character just to find out what life is like in a non-Goon alliance. I have a feeling I'd end up biomassing him in a month. I have an alt in CVA of all things because they live near sendaya when I get bored of BNI. It is absolutely terrible, their comms are a train wreck of stupid, and they are all unfunny shits. There is no market hub, no VFK; they have no real newbie help programs other than "grind your way into a raven and buy faction launchers because that's totally good advice". There are a lot more things they do wrong but I am on my phone, so  .Just don't do it, it is a waste of time and will make you feel stupider for having dealt with it.
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Mar 31, 2014 04:00
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Cease to Hope posted:Groon has spies now? Don't speak to the unperson. Angela Christine posted:Encouraging people to think there are GIA agents in every closet has been pretty useful to us. BNI aren't the first ones to tear themselves apart looking for agents that don't exist. Project Big Brother for long enough, people start believing in him. I don't doubt there are really spies in there, but unless some tasty intel-porn comes out saying otherwise I don't believe the job of GIA agents is generally to sow discontent as much as serving as an ear to the ground.
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Mar 31, 2014 04:02
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Cease to Hope posted:Groon has spies now? We as in goons in general. hemophilia posted:Don't speak to the unperson. Agreed.
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Mar 31, 2014 04:04
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Noctis Horrendae posted:We as in goons in general. Who is this we? Goons spy on you to blow you up.
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Mar 31, 2014 04:06
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That's really cute, he think he's people 
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Mar 31, 2014 04:07
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Leo Showers posted:That's really cute, he think he's people Hoopz wants to be a person too! Hoopz wants to be a person too! 
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Mar 31, 2014 04:10
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Thrasophius posted:Ah so its generally goons are hated because of jealousy, they are different and don't take the game seriously. I'm fairly sure that a lot of goons take the game seriously. It's probably just a combination of Goonswarm being the most powerful alliance in 0.0 and having an easy to point to 'bad guy'. It seems odd to me because the CFC actually treats their membership much better than any other coalition. Prior to the CFC it used to be the standard thing that directors would siphon off isk into their personal wallets and treat their average players like garbage. I don't get how beating goons would actually make any difference to the game, either. It'd still be full of slimy neckbeards, there would still be constant ganks and lopsided hotdrops, the game would still be full of spies and there would still be masses of freighters and hulks getting ganked in highsec.
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Mar 31, 2014 04:12
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Angela Christine posted:Encouraging people to think there are GIA agents in every closet has been pretty useful to us. BNI aren't the first ones to tear themselves apart looking for agents that don't exist. Plant the seed, watch it grow. Once you get people suspicious of each other the wars already over in my eyes because it's just a matter of time. That's something I find quite fascinating, how a simple pay wall, strictly regulated forum has created what it has and formed such a close knit community, you'd think there'd be more people who mimicked it. It seems counter intuitive that by detaching yourself from the game it leads to larger success, I mean you guys don't take the game seriously and yet are more successful than any other entity in eve. I think it was vyst a few pages back that said "we are a forum community who plays eve, not an eve community that has a forum".
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Mar 31, 2014 04:13
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Laducks posted:I'm fairly sure that a lot of goons take the game seriously. Now, I know nothing about null warfare but with all biases aside isn't this extremely subjective? Surely there's someone close or at least on par with the CFC. Definitely not in terms of numbers, but organisation and performance...?
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Mar 31, 2014 04:14
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vyst posted:we afk cloak Now that is a topic for discussion 
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Mar 31, 2014 04:19
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More than anything, Noctis makes me sad, because instead of saying "gently caress off you assholes" or anything, he just agrees with how bad he is. Are you a masochist?
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Mar 31, 2014 04:23
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Virigoth posted:I missed Burn Jita. When is Burn Jita 2: Carebears on Fire? Burn Jita 3: The Lost World
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Mar 31, 2014 04:25
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Famethrowa posted:More than anything, Noctis makes me sad, because instead of saying "gently caress off you assholes" or anything, he just agrees with how bad he is. Are you a masochist? He thinks self-deprecating humour and rolling with the punches will eventually get you guys to like him for putting up with being hated for so long.
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Mar 31, 2014 04:26
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Noctis Horrendae posted:Now, I know nothing about null warfare but with all biases aside isn't this extremely subjective? Surely there's someone close or at least on par with the CFC. Definitely not in terms of numbers, but organisation and performance...? Well we dickstomped all of our competition, AFAIK TEST at its zenith was probably the closest to approaching our organizational structure and ability, but they were just aping what was successful and the whole thing collapsed when put under external pressure. Everyone else seems to be more or less equal to game guilds in other games, with no real finance division, intelligence division, or logistics division, etc. We're the only ones who pull this off on this scale.
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Mar 31, 2014 04:29
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Tusen Takk posted:He thinks self-deprecating humour and rolling with the punches will eventually get you guys to like him for putting up with being hated for so long. Hey, if you want to think this, you can. The simple reality is that what's said about me doesn't faze me in the slightest. Anymore, at least. I overreacted a few months ago. I'm late to the party as always, but http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/eve-ship-models-which-ones-would-you-like-to-own Holy poo poo yes. Time to start saving! Hopefully shipping isn't as absolutely atrocious as it was last time around. Noctis Horrendae fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Mar 31, 2014 |
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