A Fancy 400 lbs posted:

Maybe it helps to be from a rural area to understand where the show is coming from? I'm not gonna claim I've seen every episode, but it's always come off more as anti-yuppie/suburbanite than anti-liberal.

comes along bort posted:

The other part of it is they made digs at the insular worldview of pretty much everyone on the show all the time.

Tatum Girlparts posted:

Yea that's also pretty important. Hank and his friends, for the most part, are the good guys but they also have a decent bit of episodes where they're just flat wrong and stupid. Like when the Laotian neighbors moved in and it was an entire episode of 'Hank is a fuckin moron about Asian people and even though Khan's kinda a dick Hank is straight up kinda a racist here'. It shows the people as good, deep down, but it's also pretty honest about the flaws they have.

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Swan Oat posted:

King of the Hill's politics are kind of hard to nail down. The show goes after liberals like in the above-mentioned examples but Mega-Lo-Mart is a pretty harsh criticism of the effect Walmart has had on small communities, and there was an episode that lampooned and criticized evangelical megachurches. My friend told me that there was a late season episode with a remarkable non-lovely moral about gentrification but I haven't seen it. And it's not on Netflix anymore

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RUSH: As is the case practically every Monday, the audio sound bite roster is filled with audio sound bites in which I have been mentioned. And given that I am fighting the ravages of the common cold virus, I think I'm going to start with some audio sound bites and just ease into the program. You know, normally I don't play all these things that mention me 'cause I don't like to make the program about me. Everybody else does.

So the first one. Are you aware -- people may not even know -- the "conservative" TV host Stephen Colbert -- (Interruption) What? Oh, it's Colbert? Oh. Okay. Stephen Colbert. He's a liberal but his shtick is a pompous, arrogant, know-nothing conservative. That's the shtick. Anyway, he tweeted out something last week that has ended up being highly offensive to Chinese-speaking people. He made fun of their language. He said, "Ding dong ching chang," or some such thing. It was in a tweet. He didn't actually say it on his show.

And there was negative reaction the likes of which liberals are not used to. I mean, there was apparently a huge blow-back on this, and it caught 'em off guard, 'cause they're really not used to this kind of reaction to them being racist or sexist or bigoted or homophobic or what have you. There were demands that Colbert apologize for offending the Chinese. Now, the way the left is circling the wagons on this, you might say, "What does this have to do with me?" Well, the way the left is circling the wagons is by saying that Colbert was simply doing what I do. The mistake that he made was that he did it on Twitter where there isn't any nuance.

This was discussed on NPR today. They circled the wagons. When was the last time I stepped in it and some conservative media show circled the wagons and brought all kinds of people to defend it? It doesn't happen. Yeah, when was the first time? Doesn't happen. But when it happens to these guys -- for example, when Dan Rather did his phony and bogus George Bush National Guard story and totally embarrassed himself. He ended up being fired because of it. You people may not remember, but the late Peter Jennings and Brokaw hastily put together an awards dinner. They invented or created a new award to give to Rather two weeks after all of that happened, because they circle the wagons.

They were protecting the news. They were protecting the media. They were protecting themselves, and they were protecting their cause, liberalism. Because Rather was out there and it was a huge, huge step in it. I mean, to totally make up a story. And so rather than throw Rather overboard and use this as an opportunity or moment to move past the CBS Evening News, they had to circle the wagons and protect Rather, and that's kind of what's happening here with this thing that Colbert did.

I don't have the original tweet so I don't know why he did it and I have no idea. All I know is that the way they're trying to protect him is to say, "Well, you know, he's just actually echoing Limbaugh." Whether they know it or not they've just accused Colbert of copying me. The discussion was on The Takeaway today on NPR. The fill-in host, Todd Zwillich, speaking to Jeff Yang who's a blogger at the Wall Street Journal about this tweet that went out on the show's Twitter account last week that some people found offensive. It made fun of the Chinese language I guess and this is how they attempted to circle the wagons.

ZWILLICH: Let's remind ourselves that Stephen Colbert doing what he often does was actually echoing Rush Limbaugh who has many times on his show and without irony referred to Asians with the ching chong or a ding dong or some kind of ethnically stupid angle like that. He was sort of doing Limbaugh.

YANG: Exactly. And the problem, of course, here is that you lose layers of nuance, you lose context when you take something and put it into a different medium, like, for instance, Twitter.

RUSH: Don't you just love hearing these erudite, sophisticated liberals talking about all this in the approved NPR performance mode? Well, let's remind ourselves that Stephen Colbert doing what he often does, was actually echoing Rush Limbaugh, the well-known fascist conservative radio host, who has, as everybody knows, many times on his show and without irony referred to Asians with the ching chong or the ding dong or some kind of ethnically stupid angle like that. That's how you hear it on NPR.

The point is I don't know what they're talking about, many times on my show and without irony, referred to Asians with the ching chong? I do not do that, and I would invite them to go find all of these "many times" on the program. All I did was attempt to translate the Chinese premier, the ChiCom premier when he was speaking without a translator at the White House. Anyway, notice how to get this guy out of the mess that he's in, apparently they have to link him to me. Why? I don't know.

And then they said, "Well, of course here you lose layers of nuance, you lose context when you take something and put it in a different medium like, for instance, Twitter." Right. So I don't even know what the original thing was. I just find it curious, ironic, or what have you, that in order to bail the guy out they have to basically accuse him of ripping me off. But not doing it with the proper layers of nuance.

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RUSH: Okay, just to be factually correct, I need to issue a correction. This Colbert comment, whatever it was he did, was actually made on his show and then the show tweeted it out on the show Twitter account, not his personal one. But whatever he did, he did say it on... Well, they're not "on the air," they're on cable. He said it on the wire. The point is that now I'm responsible for what he said. It's my fault. He just didn't do the nuance like I did, but other than that, it's my fault.

Intel&Sebastian posted:

I'm not veg in any way but I've always thought I would love to take someone up on this someday. Send them a weekly report of every chance I had to eat an animal along with a reminder that I avoid eating animals out of sense of a personal values rather than an actual counting of how many of them I've saved by not having a chicken nugget, chiding them for not having the same dedication to their word and personal values seeing as they haven't had a massive coronary yet.

FlamingLiberal posted:

Mike Judge made an entire show making fun of liberals. How soon we forget 'The Goode Family'

Raw Story posted:

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Swan Oat posted:

King of the Hill's politics are kind of hard to nail down. The show goes after liberals like in the above-mentioned examples but Mega-Lo-Mart is a pretty harsh criticism of the effect Walmart has had on small communities, and there was an episode that lampooned and criticized evangelical megachurches. My friend told me that there was a late season episode with a remarkable non-lovely moral about gentrification but I haven't seen it. And it's not on Netflix anymore

bigtom posted:

Sucks to be Glenn Beck today: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/31/muslim-victim-of-boston-marathon-bombing-sues-glenn-beck-for-defamation-and-slander/

I truly hope this guy wins a nice chunk of change off of Beck's stupidity. I eagerly await his spin on how he's the victim in all of this...

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

Chalk up another chart for Fox_News.png!

Swan Oat posted:

King of the Hill's politics are kind of hard to nail down. The show goes after liberals like in the above-mentioned examples but Mega-Lo-Mart is a pretty harsh criticism of the effect Walmart has had on small communities, and there was an episode that lampooned and criticized evangelical megachurches. My friend told me that there was a late season episode with a remarkable non-lovely moral about gentrification but I haven't seen it. And it's not on Netflix anymore

Rush posted:

[url]http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/03When was the last time I stepped in it and some conservative media show circled the wagons and brought all kinds of people to defend it? It doesn't happen. Yeah, when was the first time? Doesn't happen.

BiggerBoat posted:

Duck Dynasty, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Rick Santorum.

Yeah, Rush. Never happens. Way to get jokes too.

mr. mephistopheles posted:

I think most of the issues people have with KotH stem from being unable to draw a distinction between a protagonist and a hero. Hank Hill is the protagonist of the show, but it has no hero. He is the hero in some episodes, but so are basically all of the characters at one point or another.

On the flipside, I do think Hank is an accurate depiction of how most conservatives view themselves, even the batshit ones. And also to be fair, most of the liberal strawman aren't that exaggerated and there are mre than enough obnoxious liberals who deserve to be made fun of without needing to pick and choose or approach it from a conservative worldview.

Tatum Girlparts posted:

Judge himself is kinda a wad though, but when it comes to the product he made I think he did a fair job hiding his more dickish side.

Tatum Girlparts posted:

If anything I think KotH is meant to show the average center right 'common sense' type who's got kinda out dated values but no real malice or anything. Like, there are multiple parts in the shows where Hank is shown generally kinda uneasy about gay stuff, but when it's something like his friend's dad being gay he has a view of telling him to be honest and try to fix the relationship. Same with most of the liberal 'antagonists' for lack of a better word, he doesn't hate the idea per say but it's an issue of how it's being presented.

pd187 posted:

The show was co-created and co-run by Greg Daniels, who left The Simpsons for it - he created Luanne and Cotton, and came up with stuff like Dale being a conspiracy theorist - so you can probably credit him for why it's a lot less right-wing than Mike Judge crap like Idiocracy and The Goode Family.

Beavis & Butthead 4 life tho.

A Fancy 400 lbs posted:

Maybe it helps to be from a rural area to understand where the show is coming from? I'm not gonna claim I've seen every episode, but it's always come off more as anti-yuppie/suburbanite than anti-liberal.

Ghost of Reagan Past posted:

You might also distinguish between conservative humor and humor by conservatives.

There are funny conservatives, and some probably use politics in funny jokes, but they don't make the politics the entire joke. Think about Louis CK's "being white" bit. It actually makes an important point, but the politics isn't the reason it's funny. It's funny because it's actually a loving funny joke. If a conservative could make a joke that uses their politics and is still funny, that's great. Start with the funny, then do the politics, if it works. That'd be humor by a conservative that's genuinely funny. The problem is that instead of focusing on being funny and using themes like politics in their jokes, they decide to not only make politics more important than a joke, but focus on the nastier parts of their politics. They start with the politics and only later try and shoehorn the comedy in. The Daily Show is great because it's funny, not because Jon Stewart is liberal. If he or his writers weren't funny nobody would care. The problem is that it's so much easier to poke fun at the powerful than the weak.

big mean giraffe posted:

Wait Idiocracy is 'right wing?'

McDowell posted:

Note that the big box store that dominates the world of coddled idiots is Costco.

Also ignorance is associated with urban/latin culture.

computer parts posted:

The biggest dumbass in the film is a white dude and the most intelligent character (and woman!) is a minority.

Phone posted:

It's also a movie where two people can have drastically different reads on it. See: Freep loving the poo poo out of it

mr. mephistopheles posted:

This, plus it starts out by showing what is clearly an intellectual white liberal couple waiting to have children and a white trash redneck having sex with anything that moves.

And I'm guessing it uses Costco because it was either easier to get a filming location that resembled Costco, or they were worried Wal-Mart might actually give enough of a poo poo to try to come after them legally. It seems much more modeled after Wal-Mart than Costco other than the aesthetic look of it. If it were libertarian there'd be some intellectual supermen trying to control society and failing because of the masses of stupid people, not a presidential cabinet who doesn't understand how to grow plants.

Like honestly, Mike Judge's work is one of the clearest examples of comedians who are conservative versus conservative comedians. And it's annoying that people are acting like you have to be conservative to mock liberal stereotypes. Portlandia heavily mocks liberal stereotypes and still manages to avoid being called conservative. It's like because Judge has done or said some potentially conservative leaning things in the past, any of his mockery of liberals is personally political venom, which makes his regular mockery of conservatives on KotH... ?