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Wolfsheim posted:Haha, same. I'm so used to OOTS' basic style I don't really soak in the details. Like you two, I immediately noticed the font difference (I can't even name the normal font or tell you what it actually looks like, I just noticed that it was different, mostly in that it was bigger) but aside from that it seemed more zoomed-in than normal I missed the art shift until I read this thread and looked again.
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I don't mind the font but I agree with whoever said the hands look like weird claws now. Maybe I'll get used to it but it seems a weird stylistic choice that doesn't really add anything. One page in and already that faux Scottish accent is annoying to read. Hopefully won't detract too much from the arc if we're going to be spending a lot of time with the dwarfs. Sanford fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Apr 1, 2014 |
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I never noticed the font or the art upgrade until I checked the thread.
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Ephemeron posted:I never noticed the font or the art upgrade until I checked the thread. 
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Colonel Cool posted:edit - calling it now. After Durkon rampages through dwarf homeland, Mama is going to confront him, evil spirit is going to try to kill her, and that will be what inspires Durkon to break free. Bet you thought Robb Stark was totally going to behead Joffrey with his father's sword too.
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The stick figure aesthetic is only going to look worse and worse as Rich puts more effort into details and coloration. Eventually he will need to part entirely from his withered claw hands and L-feet, or he'll hit a point where we can't imagine the details behind his minimalist design. Seriously, look at that awful claw hand.
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Look guys drawing hands is hard. Drawing Turkeys is easy though, first you draw a hand.
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NihilCredo posted:Bet you thought Robb Stark was totally going to behead Joffrey with his father's sword too. Oh come on who wasn't shocked by that.
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Colonel Cool posted:Oh come on who wasn't shocked by that. Finally, something better than Goblins chatter.
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NihilCredo posted:Bet you thought Robb Stark was totally going to behead Joffrey with his father's sword too. Order of the Stick as written by George R. R. Martin would be... different.
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Dolash posted:Order of the Stick as written by George R. R. Martin would be... different. I don't want to see Élan get raped 
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Dolash posted:Order of the Stick as written by George R. R. Martin would be... different. More or less likely to actually be completed?
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It would be just as wordy, probably.
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Four hundred pages arguing about food mechanics.
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Speaking of hundreds of pages of food descriptions, the dwarf accents are starting to remind me of the moles from the Redwall series. This is not necessarily a positive assocation. Although, we're getting awfully nit-picky about the first new comic. Looks great, glad to have it back. D1Sergo fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Apr 1, 2014 |
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D1Sergo posted:Speaking of hundreds of pages of food descriptions, the dwarf accents are starting to remind me of the moles from the Redwall series. This is not necessarily a positive assocation. Hah, I thought "Din. Nae. Look. Down." looked kinda silly. Does it look silly to a Scottish person?
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I wondered why she was talking about plastic building bricks all of a sudden and couldn't shake it even after rereading. That's not terrible in the grand scheme of things but it's also not awfully indicative that the Scottish accent joke still works very well for what the comic has developed into from the old days of "go down a level" jokes. I'm optimistic though. Maybe there's a great big Trainspotting joke at the end of it.
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Dolash posted:Order of the Stick as written by George R. R. Martin would be... different. I started to go, "Ha ha, it sure would!" and then I went, "Wait a second... it wouldn't be very different at all!" Whybird posted:More or less likely to actually be completed? Shortly before A Clash of Kings came out I wrote an e-mail to GRRM saying that I enjoyed a lot of his work and thought A Game of Thrones was great. Three years later I got a reply.
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My Lovely Horse posted:I wondered why she was talking about plastic building bricks all of a sudden and couldn't shake it even after rereading. That's not terrible in the grand scheme of things but it's also not awfully indicative that the Scottish accent joke still works very well for what the comic has developed into from the old days of "go down a level" jokes. quote:Choose life. Choose a race. Choose a subrace. Choose a culture. Choose a loving big animal companion, choose bullseye lanterns, tindertwigs, healer's kits, and level-appropriate wealth tables. Choose good Constitution, high Fortitude saving throws and racial bonuses. Choose optional outsider bloodlines. Choose a starting background. Choose your teammates. Choose an ancestral weapon and matching scabbard. Choose a custom crafted suit of plate mail with a range of loving elemental resistances. Choose multi-classing and wondering who the gently caress you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting around that campfire exchanging mind-numbing spirit-crushing stories of unachievable loot, stuffing loving junk food rations into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, bleeding your last in a miserable dungeon, nothing more than a mildly creepy omen to the selfish, hosed-up level one characters that have spawned behind you to replace you. Choose your future. Choose life . . . But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got undeath? 
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I've never understood what the deal was with dwarves being scottish. I guess it's just a place far enough from England to sound different, but close enough to where they still speak the same language? Also all fantasy has to be some kind of British for whatever reason.
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The reason is Tolkien.
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Because modern fantasy comes to us through the lens of Tolkien, and his stories were very British indeed.
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I thought the Tolkien dwarfs were more Nordic than Scottish, or am I mis-remembering? I figured they morphed into Scots because it was easier for actors to do the accent.
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jng2058 posted:Because modern fantasy comes to us through the lens of Tolkien, and his stories were very British indeed. Yeah, but Tolkien's dwarves weren't Scottish, they were Jewish. The dwarves were "at once natives and aliens in their habitations, speaking the languages of the country, but with an accent due to their own private tongue…" I am sure it was just a coincidence that Tolkien's dwarves were all obsessed with gold!
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Huh. Apparently Tolkien's version of Dwarvish actually is based on Semitic languages. I didn't know that.
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So I guess dwarves became scottish because everyone was uncomfortable about doing jewish accents then. Anybody know who first started the trend? Also, that sorta has uncomfortable implications with how dwarves were obsessed with wealth to the point that it destroyed their greatest cities.  I don't think Tolkien ever meant anything bad, and he probably never said anything all that unusual for his time, but things like this make it hard sometimes.
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SlothfulCobra posted:So I guess dwarves became scottish because everyone was uncomfortable about doing jewish accents then. Anybody know who first started the trend? They're Jewish as hell, which makes Sauron Hitler I guess? Or is that Smaug, it's been a while.
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Ponsonby Britt posted:Yeah, but Tolkien's dwarves weren't Scottish, they were Jewish. The dwarves were "at once natives and aliens in their habitations, speaking the languages of the country, but with an accent due to their own private tongue…" I am sure it was just a coincidence that Tolkien's dwarves were all obsessed with gold! Actually Tolkien's Dwarven Jewish origins were in his perception of Medieval Jewry as craftsmen as well as their dispossessed nature by the third age. The gold obsession was almost always a result of the perversion caused by the rings of power. The Dwarves of the 2nd Age didn't have that same obsessions we see in the Hobbit, the big thing I can remember iirc is that they got mad at the Elves for stealing their work. 
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e X posted:If dwarves are Scottish miners, wouldn't that make Sauron Thatcher? Eh, sounds about right.
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e X posted:If dwarves are Scottish miners, wouldn't that make Sauron Thatcher? I know Sauron has had a lot of bad press but that is beyond the pale.
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Angela Christine posted:Jewish dwarves? Suddenly I wish I could photoshop. It's okay, OotS figures don't have noses anyway
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Rumda posted:I know Sauron has had a lot of bad press but that is beyond the pale. 
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Raenir Salazar posted:Actually Tolkien's Dwarven Jewish origins were in his perception of Medieval Jewry as craftsmen as well as their dispossessed nature by the third age. The gold obsession was almost always a result of the perversion caused by the rings of power. So Smaug and the Balrog are the Roman Empire, kicking the dwarves out of their kingdoms. And I guess Orcs are analagous to muslims or pagans then. And I guess Tolkien's not racist, he just made a bunch of obtuse references that most of his imitators never got. Fantasy is a weird genre. Angela Christine posted:Jewish dwarves? Suddenly I wish I could photoshop. Well, in the movies, most of the dwarves got big prosthetic noses. http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2013/10/26/81366-the-hobbits-dwarves-before-make-up-and-after/ Don't know if that's the exact type of nose in the stereotype or not. SlothfulCobra fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Apr 2, 2014 |
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SlothfulCobra posted:And I guess Tolkien's not racist, he just made a bunch of obtuse references that most of his imitators never got. Fantasy is a weird genre. Here's what Tolkien answered when a 3rd Reich publishing company asked him about his origins: Tolkien posted:Dear Sirs, Him relating Dwarves to Jews was probably just a matter of inspiration, not caricaturing.
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my dad posted:Here's what Tolkien answered when a 3rd Reich publishing company asked him about his origins: Okay that was a pretty great reply to... whatever the original questions were. If only Tolkien held the answers to the origin of Durkon's accent. I'm sure we could make something up that sounds accurate.
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If I remember right, I think they praised him as an honorary Aryan (or something to that effect). Tolkien wrote up two versions of that letter, the other being a far milder rejection. He supposedly gave the choice of which to send to his editor, who went with the mild one (which, for some reason, had no surviving copies), but kept the quoted one for posterity.
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rocketrobot posted:Okay that was a pretty great reply to... whatever the original questions were. The original question was a German translation of the Hobbit in 1938. The publishing house wanted to make sure Tolkien wasn't Jewish as a prerequisite for actually releasing the book. Unfortunately, we can't be sure if that was the letter that was actually sent - Tolkien wrote two responses to the question. http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/03/i-have-no-ancestors-of-that-gifted.html
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