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MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

It's only inconsistent because Terrans suddenly got all this new poo poo in SC2. The new Terran units introduced in Brood Wars were only there because the UED brought the tech over.

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Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.
Blizzard's got an important Starcraft announcement today.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

DFlux posted:

As for the the stealing battlecruisers thing I don't remember. Don't really remember much about Brood Wars really.(its been to long)I just remember the gist of each episode.

It's the second UED mission. You raid the Dominion's primary shipyard to hijack their reserve fleet in drydock and then use it to wipe out the Dominion response fleet.

SIGSEGV
Nov 4, 2010



And it abbreviates to HotS. That's going to breed some confusion.

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

SIGSEGV posted:

And it abbreviates to HotS. That's going to breed some confusion.
Check today's date. :ssh:

quote:

Herald of the Stars will feature a revolutionary non-linear campaign. It can be played backwards, forwards, with any mission in any order, or not played at all, while still delivering the exact same life-affirming storyline.
At least they got one part right.

Calax
Oct 5, 2011

Also, they're taking all the characters and units that aren't used in main gameplay and putting them into a fighting game

InfinityComplex
Feb 5, 2011

Nothing better than swinging around a little girl like a flail.
So Mengsk was suppose to be a playable unit at some point?

SIGSEGV
Nov 4, 2010


Poil posted:

Check today's date. :ssh:

The only good one was the elimination of the "skiing glitch" in tribes.

(Also I figure they realized that having two HotS out at the same time was a problem. Who knew?)

AradoBalanga
Jan 3, 2013

DFlux posted:

Depends on how advanced the UED society is I suppose. Starcraft never really tells us much about Earth, only that it still exists and that where Terrans come from. And yeah what came in brood wars was just an expeditionary fleet, but even then the UED's tech should still be better then the Terrans. Actually has it ever been said how long the Terrans have been in the Koprulu sector? I sure can't remember if its ever been stated. As for the the stealing battlecruisers thing I don't remember. Don't really remember much about Brood Wars really.(its been to long)I just remember the gist of each episode.
I think the justification that is loosely hinted (emphasis on "loosely") at in the Brood War's manual is that the UED saw what the Terrans were building and were impressed, so they copied the technology since in some cases, it was better than what Earth had. The UED was at least aware of what was happening in the Koprulu sector, as DuGalle's fleet had the main objective of "pacify the Zerg (into being our bio-weapons)", with dethroning Mengsk being the secondary objective. It was spun thanks to propaganda that the Zerg were planning on invading Earth, so the fleet was sent to counter it. Watch the ending cinematic of the UED campaign, it's all about beating the Zerg. Mengsk and the Dominion are literally a footnote to them. What the UED seems to have wanted was better technology/weapons, and used the whole expedition as a two-fold operation of gaining new tech and reclaiming what it now deemed to be UED territory. Of course, the UED had the bright idea of sending the biggest idiot available to lead the fleet, partially resulting in the whole mission going to poo poo. And of course, it mostly went to poo poo because they underestimated just about EVERYTHING in the sector.

And yes, there is a battlecruiser stealing mission in BW, the second mission of the UED campaign, "The Dylarian Shipyards". It was mainly the tutorial for the Medics, though.

Cuntellectual
Aug 6, 2010
The Dominion being a power is still one of the most ridiculous things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tGlVTIL8Oc
"Sooner or later, you'll make a mistake. And when you do.." "..I'll somehow make a multi-world empire with substantial technological advancements."

CommissarMega posted:

Apparently he voiced the main character in a porn game. From his wiki article:

I like to imagine he wasn't happy with Tychus for whatever reason. He doesn't appear to be his VA in Heroes of the Storm

DFlux posted:

Depends on how advanced the UED society is I suppose. Starcraft never really tells us much about Earth, only that it still exists and that where Terrans come from. And yeah what came in brood wars was just an expeditionary fleet, but even then the UED's tech should still be better then the Terrans. Actually has it ever been said how long the Terrans have been in the Koprulu sector? I sure can't remember if its ever been stated. As for the the stealing battlecruisers thing I don't remember. Don't really remember much about Brood Wars really.(its been to long)I just remember the gist of each episode.

Apparently Earth was at the point the Terrans are now back when the Terrans were first sent over, but the major difference is that they have drastically widespread/sophisticated Psi because it got cultivated in the general Terran population by the trip over.

Supposedly the loss of the expeditionary fleet was so minor that it was mostly forgotten.

Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Apr 2, 2014

Raldan
Oct 21, 2010

HH Challenge Caster
(Pls no bm)
Voting Closed

There was quite a variety of votes for upgrades, but ahead of everything was the combination of our Goliath upgrades, Ares Class Weapons and Multi-lock Targeting.

We're picking up Ultra-Capacitors for maximum damage, and taking on The Dig to get our sweet siege tanks.

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

Yes! In the deep bowels of the earth planet our space archaeologists will uncover remains of the mighty siege tank civilization and through advanced pseudo science we will bring them back to life to blow the poo poo out of our enemies.

Anatharon posted:

The Dominion being a power is still one of the most ridiculous things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tGlVTIL8Oc
"Sooner or later, you'll make a mistake. And when you do.." "..I'll somehow make a multi-world empire with substantial technological advancements."
Hey, they had four years to do it. :downs:

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow
You all realize that the UED having the very same tech as the terrans of the Koprulu Sector is an issue of not having to essentially create a fourth race for Brood War, right? I mean, of course it makes complete sense that the UPL/UED and the Koprulu would be very different from each other given enough time, but when all you want to do for your expansion is add a couple of units to each race, creating a whole new fourth option is not exactly on the table when the expansion to the base game came out in under a year after release unless that was the plan all along.

Also I love it when no one can spell Brood War.

Loxbourne
Apr 6, 2011

Tomorrow, doom!
But now, tea.

Star Man posted:

You all realize that the UED having the very same tech as the terrans of the Koprulu Sector is an issue of not having to essentially create a fourth race for Brood War, right?

Oh, we do. It's just that that very point has been cited by the game's lead writer as a reason for not returning to some of Brood War's plot points. Wings of Liberty shuffles a lot of Brood War under the rug in order to get its not-Firefly plot up and running.

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.
And then amusingly Heart of the Swarm does remember Brood Wars, though I don't want to say in what context. One of the ways is actually legitimately kind of clever and subtle, for Blizzard.

Med School
Feb 27, 2012

Where did you learn how to do that?

Loxbourne posted:

Oh, we do. It's just that that very point has been cited by the game's lead writer as a reason for not returning to some of Brood War's plot points. Wings of Liberty shuffles a lot of Brood War under the rug in order to get its not-Firefly plot up and running.

Fan made Firefly campaign confirmed.

cokerpilot
Apr 23, 2010

Battle Brothers! Stop coming to meetings drunk and trying to adopt Tevery Best!

Lord General! Stop standing on the table and making up stupid operation names!

Emperor, why do I put up with these people?

Apparently was used as tool to hire people.

Cuntellectual
Aug 6, 2010

Star Man posted:

Also I love it when no one can spell Brood War.

What?

Feinne posted:

Yeah, and as noted the two characters addressed as such probably are both in SC2 since it's definitely Artanis and possibly Selendis. I don't recall what the Magistrate is up to though I think he's still with Raynor maybe, and the Cerebrate has gone to the big Hive in the sky along with all the rest of those now-obsolete entities.


I was re-reading the thread and I felt I might well explain this.

The Magistrate was with Raynor post Episode 1 for a few weeks then split to go into hiding. The Cerebrate from Episode 2/VI died at the conclusion of Episode VI when Kerrigan ran out of use for it. (Incidently she started being a lot less effective after that, go figure). The Episode 3 Executor was Artanis, IV was possibly Selendis and the Episode V UED Captain founded the Spartan Company mercs.

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

I'm making fun of all the people calling it Brood Wars.

The_Frag_Man
Mar 26, 2005

Anatharon posted:

The Magistrate was with Raynor post Episode 1 for a few weeks then split to go into hiding. The Cerebrate from Episode 2/VI died at the conclusion of Episode VI when Kerrigan ran out of use for it. (Incidently she started being a lot less effective after that, go figure). The Episode 3 Executor was Artanis, IV was possibly Selendis and the Episode V UED Captain founded the Spartan Company mercs.

Thanks for this information. Is this officially confirmed? Where does this information come from?
I wonder if the Magistrate retired on a nice planet somewhere. It's a shame he's not Raynor's drinking buddy.

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.
I don't know, I sort of agree with getting rid of the Cerebrates. They had become sort of a liability, especially since Kerrigan wanted to be 100% certain a new Overmind wouldn't be created again.

Loxbourne
Apr 6, 2011

Tomorrow, doom!
But now, tea.
Where does that information come from? I at first figured Matt Horner was the player character from Starcraft 1 and that was why he wore such a gaudy bling-laden uniform - later I found out no, he was introduced in one of the tie-in novels.

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous

Loxbourne posted:

Where does that information come from? I at first figured Matt Horner was the player character from Starcraft 1 and that was why he wore such a gaudy bling-laden uniform - later I found out no, he was introduced in one of the tie-in novels.

Oh, wow, I thought Matt was the magistrate. This is such a missed opportunity.

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver
Screw the tie in novels, let's just keep pretending that Horner is the magistrate. It makes more sense that way.

AradoBalanga
Jan 3, 2013

Loxbourne posted:

Where does that information come from? I at first figured Matt Horner was the player character from Starcraft 1 and that was why he wore such a gaudy bling-laden uniform - later I found out no, he was introduced in one of the tie-in novels.
The novels confirm Artanis being the player character for Episode III, but Selendis being Episode IV's player character is up in the air (there are hints that she is...and evidence she isn't). The Cerebrate in Episode II was killed on Auir by Tassadar's big psionic nuke along with most of the Zerg that invaded the planet. Episode VI's Cerebrate (a separate one that Daggoth created but Kerrigan later mindjacked) is probably dead due to Kerrigan consolidating power, but no official word on its fate has been given.

As for Matt Horner, my personal belief is that he was going to be the Magistrate, but then got rewritten for some reason and resulted in the novel version/the one we see in this game. I am also with JT Jag on Matt being the player character from Episode I makes for a much better relationship between Matt and Jim.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


JT Jag posted:

Screw the tie in novels, let's just keep pretending that Horner is the magistrate. It makes more sense that way.

That's just what I do.

Wanamingo
Feb 22, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

SirSamVimes posted:

That's just what I do.

Just saying gently caress that poo poo and going with your own headcanon actually does tend to help sci-fi stuff like this quite a bit.

Koorisch
Mar 29, 2009

AradoBalanga posted:

The Cerebrate in Episode II was killed on Auir by Tassadar's big psionic nuke along with most of the Zerg that invaded the planet. Episode VI's Cerebrate (a separate one that Daggoth created but Kerrigan later mindjacked) is probably dead due to Kerrigan consolidating power, but no official word on its fate has been given.

Well, I think I read once that the reason why the Cerebrates died out was pretty much because the Overmind was dead and thus could not reincarnate them and that Kerrigan didn't really want them because of their irritating ability of being able to become a new Overmind, that's why she replaced them all with the new Queens once they were all dead.

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

Even when one of them was boss enough to take on Artanis, the UED and the Dominion while Kerrigan had the rest of the Swarm Planetside.

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.
The Queens are a sort of minor advantage, because while it's nice to have an entity to control the whole swarm as one it's also a huge weak point that can cause everything to go to poo poo. Meanwhile Queens and Brood Mothers distribute the control of the swarm such that it's much harder to cause large scale disruption.

Speedball
Apr 15, 2008

Feinne posted:

And then amusingly Heart of the Swarm does remember Brood Wars, though I don't want to say in what context. One of the ways is actually legitimately kind of clever and subtle, for Blizzard.

I hope you tell me when the LP gets to that part because I am drawing a blank.

Cuntellectual
Aug 6, 2010
The stuff I talked about was from a few of the books. The Magistrate thing was from Queen of Blades, I think. What can I say, I'm a huge Starcraft nerd. :v:

AradoBalanga posted:

As for Matt Horner, my personal belief is that he was going to be the Magistrate, but then got rewritten for some reason and resulted in the novel version/the one we see in this game. I am also with JT Jag on Matt being the player character from Episode I makes for a much better relationship between Matt and Jim.

They said he was at one point, but then they flip flopped on it for whatever reason. I think they didn't want Matt to have a connection with Mengsk or Kerrigan.

Veloxyll posted:

Even when one of them was boss enough to take on Artanis, the UED and the Dominion while Kerrigan had the rest of the Swarm Planetside.

There's a few floating around in pseudo-canon limbo because of Deception and Retribution, the two non-Blizzard Starcraft expansions.

Now you might say that they're all just non-canon but then there's a few big elements, one in particular for HotS that very much ARE canon.. This may or may not be relevant in legacy of the void, but considering Blizzard's awful writing lately I doubt it will be unless they pull a Reaper of Souls.

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.

Speedball posted:

I hope you tell me when the LP gets to that part because I am drawing a blank.

I sent you a PM about it, while I'm thinking of it.

Jolan
Feb 5, 2007

Feinne posted:

I sent you a PM about it, while I'm thinking of it.

Or maybe just post it in spoiler tags, so you don't have to PM half of the thread. Or talk in vague terms, like: you're not talking about that guy in the hat with the accent after the thing with Kerrigan on the planet, right before that cool cinematic with the bad guy and the fighting, right?

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.

Jolan posted:

Or maybe just post it in spoiler tags, so you don't have to PM half of the thread. Or talk in vague terms, like: you're not talking about that guy in the hat with the accent after the thing with Kerrigan on the planet, right before that cool cinematic with the bad guy and the fighting, right?

If Kerrigan were to be in an awesome cinematic where she fights a weird dude, and that weird dude were to be using an obviously fake name, you should look at the letters of that name and what else they spell.

I won't even say what to do with those letters, but if you know who I'm talking about I'm sure you'll be able to make it work and then will go 'oh, well of course'. Then kindly don't mention the results of your efforts so as to not spoil things.

Feinne fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Apr 8, 2014

InfinityComplex
Feb 5, 2011

Nothing better than swinging around a little girl like a flail.
Are we counting the N64 scenarios as well here?

Phelddagrif
Jan 28, 2009

Before I do anything, I think, well what hasn't been seen. Sometimes, that turns out to be something ghastly and not fit for society. And sometimes that inspiration becomes something that's really worthwhile.

Feinne posted:

If Kerrigan were to be in an awesome cinematic where she fights a weird dude, and that weird dude were to be using an obviously fake name, you should look at the letters of that name and what else they spell.

I won't even say what to do with those letters, but if you know who I'm talking about I'm sure you'll be able to make it work and then will go 'oh, well of course'. Then kindly don't mention the results of your efforts so as to not spoil things.

That cinematic was actually a massive letdown for me, just because we never see that character take the form he did in Brood War.

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.

Phelddagrif posted:

That cinematic was actually a massive letdown for me, just because we never see that character take the form he did in Brood War.

It works better that way, because at least then blizzard's actually got something cool that's not immediately obvious. Normally they'd slap you with it like a dead trout, so some subtlety is appreciated.

George
Nov 27, 2004

No love for your made-up things.

Feinne posted:

It works better that way, because at least then blizzard's actually got something cool that's not immediately obvious. Normally they'd slap you with it like a dead trout, so some subtlety is appreciated.

Everything about that scenario sucks. They're just throwing in references to old games without using them for anything or trying to make it make sense, and spelling a name backwards may be subtle for Blizzard these days but it still doesn't count.

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Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
Dude, edit that out. He shows up in this game.

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