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Hbomberguy posted:Definitively. I've probably said this like a billion times by now, but watch Uwe Boll's films in chronological order, right now. I've only watched a handful of Uwe Boll movies, and I haven't seen any in a couple years, but I actually sort of second this. Boll's only serious problem is pacing. The first 5 minutes and the last 30 minutes of Postal are intentionally hilarious garbage, but the middle hour or so is a goddamn slog. Far Cry, which was one year and 4 Boll movies later, was a kinda fun B-movie through the whole thing. I still have yet to watch the Auschwitz/Bloodrayne 3/Blubberella trilogy, which has always sounded intriguing in an half-assed and fairly offensive way.
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I just watched Upstream Color. Am I wasting my time trying to decipher it? I've thought about little else in the last hour and it's driving me crazy. I'd like to ask more specific questions but I think I'd be typing them all day.
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Yaws posted:I just watched Upstream Color. Am I wasting my time trying to decipher it? I've thought about little else in the last hour and it's driving me crazy. I'd like to ask more specific questions but I think I'd be typing them all day. Well I would only say you're wasting your time if you are trying to dicipher it logistically at the expense of thematic and emotional interpretation. It's definitely a lot to take in, but for me at least, once I got the gist of what it was about, the pieces started to make sense. You could try bumping the thread, I know I was disappointed there was no one to discuss it with after I watched in on netflix a month ago...
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Yaws posted:I just watched Upstream Color. Am I wasting my time trying to decipher it? I've thought about little else in the last hour and it's driving me crazy. I'd like to ask more specific questions but I think I'd be typing them all day. It's not a very complex movie. The story is simple it's just told without any exposition whatsoever. I really liked that movie.
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Twitch posted:I've only watched a handful of Uwe Boll movies, and I haven't seen any in a couple years, but I actually sort of second this. Boll's only serious problem is pacing. The first 5 minutes and the last 30 minutes of Postal are intentionally hilarious garbage, but the middle hour or so is a goddamn slog. Far Cry, which was one year and 4 Boll movies later, was a kinda fun B-movie through the whole thing. I actually kinda liked Rampage and Assault On Wallstreet. Well not liked but my expectations were so low that they surprised me positively. And I don't think any other director could have made Rampage. It's so dumb and it doesn't even try to say anything. Boll doesn't give a gently caress.
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Popelmon posted:I actually kinda liked Rampage and Assault On Wallstreet. Well not liked but my expectations were so low that they surprised me positively. And I don't think any other director could have made Rampage. It's so dumb and it doesn't even try to say anything. Boll doesn't give a gently caress. For once I'm disappointed that, in the case of Rampage, Boll didn't make a videogame movie. That really seems like the kind of story he'd be good for. A B-grade, monster destroys city, sci-fi, low budget, thing.
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Hbomberguy posted:Definitively. I've probably said this like a billion times by now, but watch Uwe Boll's films in chronological order, right now. Uwe Boll has directed 31 movies. You actually watched all of them?
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Yaws posted:Uwe Boll has directed 31 movies. You actually watched all of them? This was back in 07 so there were less. I need to do it again with all of them, though. I know a video store that seems to specialise in his ouvre.
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Does anyone have info on Nicholas St. John, a screenwriter known for working pretty much exclusively with Abel Ferrara? I'm specifically curious as to why they have not collaborated since The Funeral in 1996. I've heard a lot of rumors...everything from there being a physical confrontation to Nicholas being an alias for Abel himself. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0820669/
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Hbomberguy posted:This was back in 07 so there were less. I need to do it again with all of them, though. I know a video store that seems to specialise in his ouvre. While I haven't seen all this films, it seems to me that Boll has improved at such a glacial pace it's hard to recommend watching all of them as you suggested unless you enjoy bad movies. Even his "good" ones are merely passable.
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What ever happened to the film adaptation of Shantaram that Depp and Weir were attached to at some stage? I know it got screwed over by the Writers strike but I thought it was still supposed to be getting made? Has there been any news on it?
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In the movie The Endless Summer by Bruce Brown, there is music by The Sandals. That is the soundtrack. Anyone know what the other music that is peppered throughout the film? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsnYv6dpbFw&t=368s For instance from this part for the next few minutes.
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Guys, what makes an ensemble cast an ensemble cast rather than just a cast?
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A large cast where many members could arguably be a (or the) lead. Most movies that use a haunted house narrative, like Alien, where anyone can be the protagonist until the true leader emerges in the third act fit the bill. Heist films are normally built around them as well.
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Why are zombies rarely referred to as "zombies" by the characters in movies (or fiction, in general)? They're always referred to as "the dead" or "those things" or "walkers" or some other non-zombie name. I know this got lampooned in Shaun of the Dead, but is there any reason why the designation of Zombie is traditionally avoided?
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Why are zombies rarely referred to as "zombies" by the characters in movies (or fiction, in general)? They're always referred to as "the dead" or "those things" or "walkers" or some other non-zombie name. I know this got lampooned in Shaun of the Dead, but is there any reason why the designation of Zombie is traditionally avoided? It is a bit weird that a lot of the films do take place in a world where there's no zombie culture etc. Alien films don't suffer the same issue anywhere enarly as much.
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Apr 2, 2014 13:23
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Bugblatter posted:A large cast where many members could arguably be a (or the) lead. Most movies that use a haunted house narrative, like Alien, where anyone can be the protagonist until the true leader emerges in the third act fit the bill. Heist films are normally built around them as well. So there's no definite definition?
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Eh, I thought that was fairly clear. It's a film that involves a lot of leads, rather than two or three. Oceans 11 is an ensemble, The Fountain is not. 12 Angry Men is, The Matrix is not. The Avengers is, Iron Man is not. And so forth. The focus is the group rather than an individual or couple.
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Why are zombies rarely referred to as "zombies" by the characters in movies (or fiction, in general)? They're always referred to as "the dead" or "those things" or "walkers" or some other non-zombie name. I know this got lampooned in Shaun of the Dead, but is there any reason why the designation of Zombie is traditionally avoided? Here's my take on it: "Zombie" hasn't been used as term for that sort of walking dead until the 1960s, they also aren't some sort of mythical/legendary fantasy creatures like werewolves or vampires - most of the time zombie fiction is supposed to be more realistic with various causes to their existence, not fantasy horror, but they also often play out kind of similar and it would be weird for the characters to recognize the "real" situation they are in as so similar to some made up horror stories - so zombie fiction is often just waved away as simply non-existant. In a more specific form something like this happens in remakes also, like it would be weird for characters in the new Godzilla movie to recognize the monster from the old movies.
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westborn posted:Here's my take on it: "Zombie" hasn't been used as term for that sort of walking dead until the 1960s, they also aren't some sort of mythical/legendary fantasy creatures like werewolves or vampires - most of the time zombie fiction is supposed to be more realistic with various causes to their existence, not fantasy horror, but they also often play out kind of similar and it would be weird for the characters to recognize the "real" situation they are in as so similar to some made up horror stories - so zombie fiction is often just waved away as simply non-existant. In a more specific form something like this happens in remakes also, like it would be weird for characters in the new Godzilla movie to recognize the monster from the old movies. That makes sense. Pre-NOTLD zombies were nothing like how they would later be protrayed as.
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Yeah, but NOTLD was almost 50 years ago. They are really starting to push the boundary here.
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quote:Here's my take on it: "Zombie" hasn't been used as term for that sort of walking dead until the 1960s, they also aren't some sort of mythical/legendary fantasy creatures like werewolves or vampires - most of the time zombie fiction is supposed to be more realistic with various causes to their existence, not fantasy horror, but they also often play out kind of similar and it would be weird for the characters to recognize the "real" situation they are in as so similar to some made up horror stories - so zombie fiction is often just waved away as simply non-existant. In a more specific form something like this happens in remakes also, like it would be weird for characters in the new Godzilla movie to recognize the monster from the old movies. I agree, sort of, I just think the reasoning is the opposite. "No Zed word," like a lot of standard stuff about zombies, is not from NOTLD but from Return of the Living Dead. The word zombie is said several times in that movie (from what I remember), but the whole premise of the movie is genre-savvy characters having their expectations thwarted (attacking the head does nothing and in some cases makes the problem worse, the zombies are assumed to be stupid when they are at least as smart as the average human, rather than being omnivorous they crave human brains, instead of shambling, they run). Post Return, instead of pretending characters in the universe have never heard of a zombie movie before, they have all seen Night of the Living Dead and it's various knockoffs and sequels, so I think it's actually the opposite. To call them "zombies" would be like admitting they're "like characters in a bad horror movie", a classic, overused line that lets you know you're watching a bad horror movie. "Zombies" are a movie thing, and presumably what's happening is a real thing, so "no Zed word".
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Snak posted:Yeah, but NOTLD was almost 50 years ago. They are really starting to push the boundary here. Shaun of the Dead referenced this, and Zombieland referred to zombies as zombies.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:"Zed word," "Z word" for non limeys 
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Schweinhund posted:"Z word" for non limeys Well, in quotes cause I'm just quoting Shaun.
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I think part of it is timing, it's happening with all the movie monsters now - "Lycans."
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I think the "Lycans" crap is to give that bland franchise an identity.
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Yeah I mean the cynical part of my brain just assumes weird names for zombies are so franchises can identify themselves for future marketing purposes.
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Shaun of the Dead referenced this, and Zombieland referred to zombies as zombies. Zombieland is post-post-irony.
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penismightier posted:I think part of it is timing, it's happening with all the movie monsters now - "Lycans." Death Dealers.
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It seems to me like avoiding "zombie" is a cheap way to class up a movie and goose it's "realism", kinda like in vampire movies where they say "this isn't the movies, ok, garlic doesn't actually work". Is there a name-brand superhero movie where someone says "Thor is a real-life superhero" or do they always just stick with "vigilante" and "hero"?
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westborn posted:Here's my take on it: "Zombie" hasn't been used as term for that sort of walking dead until the 1960s, they also aren't some sort of mythical/legendary fantasy creatures like werewolves or vampires - most of the time zombie fiction is supposed to be more realistic with various causes to their existence, not fantasy horror, but they also often play out kind of similar and it would be weird for the characters to recognize the "real" situation they are in as so similar to some made up horror stories - so zombie fiction is often just waved away as simply non-existant. In a more specific form something like this happens in remakes also, like it would be weird for characters in the new Godzilla movie to recognize the monster from the old movies. Actually, the trailer for Godzilla (2014 d.p. Seamus McGarvey) explicitly mentions awakening something in 1954, the same year Gojira (1954 d.p. Masao Tamai) came out. Also when and why did that become the semi-official title for the 1954 original, instead of Godzilla? I understand that you're transliterating Japanese to English, and when you hear people in the old movie say the monsters name it's easy to hear it either way, but why did someone somewhere decide to make the switch fifty-ish years later, but only in reference to the original film.
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Human Tornada posted:It seems to me like avoiding "zombie" is a cheap way to class up a movie and goose it's "realism", kinda like in vampire movies where they say "this isn't the movies, ok, garlic doesn't actually work". It isn't even very realistic. In a 'real life' zombie situation people would call them zombies - 'just like the movies', even if the 'real' zombies turn out to be slightly different. I think it's an attempt to escape from its own unoriginality and homogenity within culture, like they're trying to pretend no-one has heard of a zombie before and the whole thing is surprising. Edit: The Godzilla/Gojira thing is cool - then again I call the Japanese movie House 'Hausu', not just because it's Japanese and there are two movies called House, but because I like the way the trailer voice said it. (At the end of the trailer he says it differently from the beginning one) Hbomberguy fucked around with this message at 11:39 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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Hbomberguy posted:It isn't even very realistic. In a 'real life' zombie situation people would call them zombies - 'just like the movies', even if the 'real' zombies turn out to be slightly different. Yup, people are pretty quick to call anything resembling a zombie, a zombie.
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Skwirl posted:Actually, the trailer for Godzilla (2014 d.p. Seamus McGarvey) explicitly mentions awakening something in 1954, the same year Gojira (1954 d.p. Masao Tamai) came out.
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westborn posted:That's simply a 'real event' inside the new movie referencing the original movie as fan service for the viewer, but not even close to a character inside the new movie recognizing this as something connected to a fictional movie series about a remarkably similar looking creature. Yeah, the thing you're thinking of is like in the original Thor movie when the scientist finds a book of Norse myths at the library and it has Thor and Loki in the same costumes they have in the film.
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Human Tornada posted:It seems to me like avoiding "zombie" is a cheap way to class up a movie and goose it's "realism", kinda like in vampire movies where they say "this isn't the movies, ok, garlic doesn't actually work". I think it's more likely that it's usually an homage to Night of the Living Dead, where the word "zombie" is never spoken. Personally, I think "ghouls" needs to make a comeback. And you don't hear too much about "revenants" outside of D&D or some poo poo.
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Human Tornada posted:It seems to me like avoiding "zombie" is a cheap way to class up a movie and goose it's "realism", kinda like in vampire movies where they say "this isn't the movies, ok, garlic doesn't actually work". Marvel & DC jointly claim a trademark on 'super hero' and variations which is a big incentive for everyone else to just avoid it.
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Hbomberguy posted:It isn't even very realistic. In a 'real life' zombie situation people would call them zombies - 'just like the movies', even if the 'real' zombies turn out to be slightly different. Well, note that "realism" is in quotation marks in my post. It boosts the quote unquote realism because "zombie" is a silly movie term and "walker" or "deadie" or whatever is what people would actually call it.* *In some screenwriter's mind. Cerv posted:Marvel & DC jointly claim a trademark on 'super hero' and variations which is a big incentive for everyone else to just avoid it. I had no idea "super hero" was trademarked, huh. Also, I understand that every movie can't have a character say "wow, this situation is just like one of those comic books/slasher movies/action thrillers."
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westborn posted:That's simply a 'real event' inside the new movie referencing the original movie as fan service for the viewer, but not even close to a character inside the new movie recognizing this as something connected to a fictional movie series about a remarkably similar looking creature. Whether or not it will be mentioned in the film, but the director has said that, in the universe of the 2014 film, the 1954 Godzilla film was made as a result of an actual encounter with Big G.
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