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Ror
Oct 21, 2010

😸Everything's 🗞️ purrfect!💯🤟


Oh, there are monitors under the lambo fenders. That makes more sense, but it's still pretty fuzzy.



It makes the original look classy and tasteful.

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Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Previa_fun posted:

I have admittedly terrible taste in cars because the Toyota minitruck dually is awesome, that van is awesome, and donks/scrapers/bubbles are especially awesome. :v:

Hold up, I like the same things. I have fantastic taste. We just appreciate fun vehicles...

But before we become best buds I need to know your opinion on this:

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

nitrogen posted:

Hah, nice! Mine was an 86 LXi that was my mom's car, and became mine when she got something new. It had 170k miles on it when i got it, and I drove the poo poo out of it and it had over 240k on it when I was done. When I got rid of it in 1996, it still drove wonderfully despite having 2 bent wheels.

I honestly have no idea how many miles my LXi had - the odometer showed 130k when I bought it, but when I ran a carfax a couple of years later (when Carfax came out), it had been inspected 10 years prior with 180k. In MN. The MN part certainly explained the hole in the floor.

It usually ran great, though occasionally it'd start stumbling really bad (the CEL would pop on shortly after, and it would run fine once the light came on). I suspect it was far north of 250k at that point, though I still drove it until the odometer showed almost 200k. The synchro on 2nd was completely gone by then, 3rd wasn't far behind.

bandman
Mar 17, 2008
We've established that Boso, as a car culture, is awesome.

angryhampster
Oct 21, 2005


I tried discussing the modern HEMI engine at a party a few months ago. The guy I was talking to owns an '08 Ram with one. When explaining that it's not like the old engine with hemispherical combustion chambers, and it's really just a clever marketing stunt, hear started whipping out personal insults and threatened to fight me. I was dumbfounded.

Dellikose
Oct 10, 2003
Well, the guy does own a Dodge pickup...what did you expect?

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep
The Ford Escort had a Hemi engine

wilfredmerriweathr
Jul 11, 2005

angryhampster posted:

I tried discussing the modern HEMI engine at a party a few months ago. The guy I was talking to owns an '08 Ram with one. When explaining that it's not like the old engine with hemispherical combustion chambers, and it's really just a clever marketing stunt, hear started whipping out personal insults and threatened to fight me. I was dumbfounded.

I've had this conversation as well.

I've also learned to not discuss anything related to cars with pickup truck owners unless I have reason to believe they are not total loving idiots. This is very rarely the case (no offense to any pickup owners here, I like trucks but not 90% of the people that drive them.)

I remember like 8 years ago my coworker had just bought a new titan and the first thing he did was to lift the back end and lower the front. It looked so goddamned dumb, and I know for a fact he doesn't haul jack poo poo with it. He couldn't stop bragging about how "sick" it looked, either.

bung
Dec 14, 2004

Isn't the new Hemi just an acronym for High Energy Multispark Ignition or something like that?

I am a car person but bought a truck out of necessity. I previously had a WRX that I traded for a Solstice. But since we we moved to Windsor I felt the Solstice wouldn't be of much use in the winter so I traded it for a Tacoma. To approximate the most car-like truck I got the 4 door crew cab with the 5 foot bed. Not being a fan of trucks I can truly say that it is the best of both worlds.

Das Volk
Nov 19, 2002

by Cyrano4747

wilfredmerriweathr posted:

I've had this conversation as well.

I've also learned to not discuss anything related to cars with pickup truck owners unless I have reason to believe they are not total loving idiots. This is very rarely the case (no offense to any pickup owners here, I like trucks but not 90% of the people that drive them.)

I remember like 8 years ago my coworker had just bought a new titan and the first thing he did was to lift the back end and lower the front. It looked so goddamned dumb, and I know for a fact he doesn't haul jack poo poo with it. He couldn't stop bragging about how "sick" it looked, either.

I saw a Ford F-150 Hurrley Edition with a plate frame that stated "My other car is a Corvette." The extent of my thinking was "yep, I'll bet you do."

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

bung posted:

Isn't the new Hemi just an acronym for High Energy Multispark Ignition or something like that?

I am a car person but bought a truck out of necessity. I previously had a WRX that I traded for a Solstice. But since we we moved to Windsor I felt the Solstice wouldn't be of much use in the winter so I traded it for a Tacoma. To approximate the most car-like truck I got the 4 door crew cab with the 5 foot bed. Not being a fan of trucks I can truly say that it is the best of both worlds.

No, the current HEMI is an actual hemispherical piston and head. So its an actual HEMI, but the pistons are not nearly as hemispherical as they used to be.

Theris
Oct 9, 2007

CommieGIR posted:

No, the current HEMI is an actual hemispherical piston and head. So its an actual HEMI, but the pistons are not nearly as hemispherical as they used to be.

I thought it was pentroof, which is close enough to hemispherical that they can still call it a hemi. It's just not particularly unique anymore since drat near every quad valve engine is pentroof.

Theris fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Apr 2, 2014

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Theris posted:

I thought it was pentroof, which is close enough to hemispherical that they can still call it a hemi. It's just not particularly unique anymore since drat near every quad valve engine is pentroof.

Pretty much, its nothing like the old HEMI pistons and heads where it was an actual hemisphere, but its more pentroof like you said, more of a pyramidal structure. Its much more closer to flat topped pistons than the old HEMI, but it was a valid way to stir up the market.

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Jan 10, 2013

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Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

Making learning fun!

I would totally drive this, gently caress tha haters.

mustard_tiger
Nov 8, 2010

Save for the wheels this would be invisible in Canada 6 months of the year.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

The old old Chrysler 'FirePower' engine was an actual Hemi. The Hemi everyone thinks of when you say hemi was a pent-roof, the main advantage over contemporary big blocks was having the valves opposing eachother at an angle instead of side-by-side on one side of the combustion chamber.

edit: can't speak for the current engine but it's definitely a marketing thing. Did Chrysler have a v8 prior to the new hemi?

Slavvy fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Apr 3, 2014

Previa_fun
Nov 10, 2004

88h88 posted:

Hold up, I like the same things. I have fantastic taste. We just appreciate fun vehicles...
But before we become best buds I need to know your opinion on this:

Boso rules. :hfive:

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester
Oct 3, 2000

CommieGIR posted:

No, the current HEMI is an actual hemispherical piston and head. So its an actual HEMI, but the pistons are not nearly as hemispherical as they used to be.
This is kinda funny to me because I recently read a fun book about some old and new racing engines. A good half of the book mentioned or explained in detail how high dome pistons and heads are bad for performance engines. And this was figured out back in the 60s.

Terrible Robot
Jul 2, 2010

FRIED CHICKEN
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Slavvy posted:

The old old Chrysler 'FirePower' engine was an actual Hemi. The Hemi everyone thinks of when you say hemi was a pent-roof, the main advantage over contemporary big blocks was having the valves opposing eachother at an angle instead of side-by-side on one side of the combustion chamber.

edit: can't speak for the current engine but it's definitely a marketing thing. Did Chrysler have a v8 prior to the new hemi?

The 5.2l and 5.9l Magnum V8. Not bad engines, but pretty long in the tooth.

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

Don't forget the Magnum V10, which was a 5.9 with 2 extra cylinders (and a longer stroke, in case you're wondering how 5.9 x 10/8 = 8.0 like I was), and so gutless that the 5.7 HEMI was able to take its place in the engine lineup.

Slavvy posted:

The old old Chrysler 'FirePower' engine was an actual Hemi. The Hemi everyone thinks of when you say hemi was a pent-roof, the main advantage over contemporary big blocks was having the valves opposing each other at an angle instead of side-by-side on one side of the combustion chamber.

And the main advantage of that was that they could make intake and exhaust ports bigger (since they were on opposite sides of the head) than older "reverse-flow" designs where the intake and exhaust were on the same side of the head. Incidentally, I can only find examples on that on inline engines i.e. the Chevy Stovebolt 6; for a V8 it makes sense to make them crossflow, unless you want either dual intake manifolds on the outside of the engine, or a single exhaust manifold underneath the intake manifold in the valley.



Or you could do like the Ford Flathead, which has the exhaust valve on the valley side of the combustion chamber, but the port runs down and around the cylinders through the block to come out the other side:

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Every non-hemi old v8 I'm aware of has the valves side by side, just the ports are cast to exit on opposite sides of the head. It's easy to do if you have cast iron heads (which can tolerate thinner walls than alloy) and extremely simple valvegear which is just a bunch of rockers chilling out on top of everything, neatly out of the way. The big technological/cost hurdle for the hemi was the (comparatively) complicated valvetrain, where the half the pushrods had to travel through deep channels in the head in order to reach the rocker arms on the other side, necessitating the heads being ooh-aaah complicated castings for an American company at the time.

There are non-opposing valve engines, like the ford cobra jet, which nonetheless have a semi-hemi combustion chamber instead of the usual smallblock chevy style wedge chamber.

The main hurdle to better flow was the size of the valves, not the ports. The majority of old v8's have extremely conservative porting that can be opened up with a die grinder and some patience, and engineers in the 60's certainly weren't ignorant of this. But toward the end of the muscle-car era the valves were already reaching their realistically maximum size. Having them opposite to eachother and on an angle gives you more room for extra valve diameter. They never took the concept further and made true semi-hemi, like BMW's M30 (OHC but best example I could think of), where the valves are not only opposing but also offset, allowing a still-bigger valve whilst also providing handy squash zones on either side of the combustion chamber 'peanut'.

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light
I think this is horrible, but I'll throw it out here. This is a 1995 RX7 featured on this week's Wheeler Dealers:






They did a snakeskin overlay on the wheels and then some snake-related vinyl on the back.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

Making learning fun!
It's...different, that's for sure. I think it's just too busy for my liking, but I've seen worse.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Mister Kingdom posted:

I think this is horrible, but I'll throw it out here. This is a 1995 RX7 featured on this week's Wheeler Dealers:






They did a snakeskin overlay on the wheels and then some snake-related vinyl on the back.

I thought this episode hilarious. "here we have an RX-7 with a fresh engine, let's turn the boost up and rice it out!"

JBark
Jun 27, 2000
Good passwords are a good idea.

Terrible Robot posted:

The 5.2l and 5.9l Magnum V8. Not bad engines, but pretty long in the tooth.

There's also the 4.7L V8, I think out of production now? I had it in my 01 Dakota, no complaints from me. Better power than the 5.2, almost as much as the 5.9, and far better MPG then either, especially against the 5.9.

From what I can tell, it ended up being a surprisingly decent engine, though could get a bit sludgy is people didn't stick to the maint schedules.

Don Baylor
Oct 24, 2005




Saw this shiny gem yesterday at the grocery store, had a blue/greenish pearl on the upper half that doesn't come out on my cell phone.

MetaJew
Apr 14, 2006
Gather round, one and all, and thrill to my turgid tales of underwhelming misadventure!

Boba_Fettish posted:





Saw this shiny gem yesterday at the grocery store, had a blue/greenish pearl on the upper half that doesn't come out on my cell phone.

Pro tip: rotate your phone 90 degrees to capture the entire car in one photo.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

The beautiful blue sky, the nondescript buildings, the oil stained parking lot, it all paints a picture so much more vivid than a mirror-car could.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Boba_Fettish posted:





Saw this shiny gem yesterday at the grocery store, had a blue/greenish pearl on the upper half that doesn't come out on my cell phone.

I mean, you're the one that saw it in person, but it sure looks like the whole car is mirror finish and the top half is just reflecting the sky... If that's paint, that's a really cool effect.

Wild EEPROM
Jul 29, 2011


oh, my, god. Becky, look at her bitrate.

Mister Kingdom posted:

I think this is horrible, but I'll throw it out here. This is a 1995 RX7 featured on this week's Wheeler Dealers:






They did a snakeskin overlay on the wheels and then some snake-related vinyl on the back.

I liked the wheels more than I thought I would, but the spoiler and the graphics, eh

And then removing the air conditioning

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Boba_Fettish posted:





Saw this shiny gem yesterday at the grocery store, had a blue/greenish pearl on the upper half that doesn't come out on my cell phone.

How is this done? It doesn't look like chrome, plus getting something chromed is apparently quite expensive for a bumper, much less a full car. Did they just polish the body metal to a mirror finish and apply a clear coat?

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

zoom-zoom
Toilet Rascal
Is that in Alaska? That's awesome. Would be hell to keep clean in Winter, I imagine.

Professor Bling
Nov 12, 2008

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Pham Nuwen posted:

How is this done? It doesn't look like chrome, plus getting something chromed is apparently quite expensive for a bumper, much less a full car. Did they just polish the body metal to a mirror finish and apply a clear coat?

Chrome vinyl wrap?

Snowdens Secret
Dec 29, 2008
Someone got you a obnoxiously racist av.

MetaJew posted:

Pro tip: rotate your phone 90 degrees to capture the entire car in one photo.

Only thing terrible about that car is the photography

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
I own 3 pickups and a very large pickup and yes, the problem with pickup truck owners is that 99% of them give the other 1% a bad name. Fuckin' brotruckers :rolleyes:

The chryco 4.7 V8 is fairly picky about coolant, it uses some special chemistry or something that will cause cooling system sludging issues if you put regular old green coolant in it. And they didn't put tight enough of a pressfit on the valve seats (alloy heads) to keep them in if you overheat it being a numbskull. It's a bad mix, because people put the wrong coolant in, then drive around ignoring the overheat warning signs, while not changing their oil, and everything sludges up, then it drops a valve seat which gets hammered into the head sideways and wham, time for a new motor. The 3.7 V6 based off it isn't so hot either.

As for the V10, apparently they make some decent power when built right... but yeah, they're truck motors intended for heavy duty towing and consuming your bank account whole at the pump. Some guy I was yapping with a few days ago was telling me how he's building a 700hp twin turbo 8.0 V10 but I'm not sure how much I should believe that.

I really only like the idea of them because they share engine management systems with my chosen brand, so I can theoretically bolt a the front half of a late-model SUV interior into a 25 year old pickup with only very minor sheetmetal trimming/drilling a few holes, then drop a V10 drivetrain in, splice two wires, and the instrument panel just plain works. Otherwise? LS motors make more power and torque every day, and are everywhere.

Oh, and that chrome vinyl wrap is amusing to me in a horrible way. If you do that to a car, what color do you register it as? Silver I guess?

Modus Man
Jun 8, 2004



Soiled Meat
Ebay chrome vinyl wrap in any color! If I had a ton of time on my hands I would wrap every body panel of my Suburban in a different chrome color :dominic:

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

kastein posted:

As for the V10, apparently they make some decent power when built right... but yeah, they're truck motors intended for heavy duty towing and consuming your bank account whole at the pump. Some guy I was yapping with a few days ago was telling me how he's building a 700hp twin turbo 8.0 V10 but I'm not sure how much I should believe that.

My dad had a V10 Ram 2500 from 94 when they introduced it, that thing ate up gas like nobody's business. In '04 after the hurricanes rolled through, there was a $75 cap at the local Sam's club, he hit it and had to put another $25 on a second credit card transaction. Its only real advantage over the Cummins was not having to pay diesel parts prices; spark plug changes were a bitch and a half, though, with a 10-wire coil pack.

And I'm sure they can handle boost; the heads are different obviously, but the block itself is not too dissimilar to the 1st-gen Viper V10 (which was developed from the truck motor, modified by Lambo, and oddly enough came out first) aside from being cast-iron. Whether or not it's an economical way to make that power is a different story.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
Mopar V10s are stupid and retarded and dumb.

The iron Magnum V10 shares a bellhousing pattern with the Cummins they put in the same truck because they get the same transmission. Even though it's based off the 5.9 Magnum V8, like you said.

The alloy V10 shares a bellhousing pattern with the 5.9 Magnum V8 because jesus christ that's what makes sense dammit. Also shares with the 5.2 V8, 3.9 V6 (a 5.9 with two cylinders cut off) and any number of other Mopar V8s, V6s, and other engines from the last half century.

My impression was that they used a 4 post coil pack and a 6 post coil pack - I had no idea they used a 10 poster at one point, that's just ridiculous. I know at least the later Viper V10s did use a 4 and a 6 because the 6-post ones are used by 00 and later Jeep owners to convert away from the retarded ten foot long coil rail that is used on the I6s for those years, they're electrically equivalent so you can just mount a 6 post Viper pack, extend the primary wire, and run a set of universal plug wires.

The nice thing about designing it with a 4 post and a 6 post is that it allows you to use two part numbers and a max of two coil packs per engine to support anything from an I4 to a V12 engine: I4 = 4 post, I6/V6 = 6 post, V8 = 2x 4 posts, V10 = 4 post + 6 post, V12 = 2x 6 posts.

If they actually had a 10 post coil pack I'm going to be both surprised and rather disappointed in their engineers.

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Astonishing Wang
Nov 3, 2004

kastein posted:

My impression was that they used a 4 post coil pack and a 6 post coil pack - I had no idea they used a 10 poster at one point, that's just ridiculous. I know at least the later Viper V10s did use a 4 and a 6 because the 6-post ones are used by 00 and later Jeep owners to convert away from the retarded ten foot long coil rail that is used on the I6s for those years, they're electrically equivalent so you can just mount a 6 post Viper pack, extend the primary wire, and run a set of universal plug wires.

Is there any benefit to wires vs. rails?

nm - I read up on NAXJA. Looks like it would be silly to mess with it if you're not having problems.

Astonishing Wang fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Apr 3, 2014

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