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brain.centipedes
Feb 6, 2010

Plinkey posted:

Most no longer have contact with their families if the holiday posts/threads are any evidence. So it's basically a bunch of retired people with nothing better to do.

Man, this thread makes me really glad that my father took up bicycling in his retirement instead of becoming an angry old shut-in. I recently showed him this article just so I could say, "Thank you so much for not turning out like this!"

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cafel
Mar 29, 2010

This post is hurting the economy!
How the hell do you think people identify as 'race ambiguous'? Is it supposed to be about mixed raced people who refuse to pick which race they truly are?

pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib
So a student from Long Island got accepted to all 8 ivy league schools, an amazing achievement. The student's name is Kwasi Enin and, as a second first generation Ghanaian-American, he is blaaaaaaaaaaaaack as hell.

"" posted:

Maybe I’ll change my kids names to things like Kwasi, or Kmbo so they can have a shot at an ivy league school.

:roll eyes:


3 posted on 4/1/2014 6:55:06 AM by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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"" posted:

Every Ivy League school is dying to get minority students, but the sad thing is that they often fail -- because they are competing with the best white and asian students, who are smarter because they don't get minority treatment. Most of these minority students would be much better off if they went to lesser schools where the whites and asians are at the same level as they are.
2 posted on 4/1/2014 6:53:00 AM by expat2
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"" posted:

Sigh. And if his name was Casey Ellis?

The young man is an impressive student - very good SATs, although not fantastic, a musician, an athlete...

There are students in my children’s high school who would seem on paper to equal or top his accomplishments, and they are not being accepted to every Ivy League school.


7 posted on 4/1/2014 6:58:17 AM by heartwood
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"" posted:

2250 is a pretty good SAT score, but in fact, it is just about at the median for most Ivy’s, and even below for hyper competitive schools like Stanford, Harvard, MIT.

The kid is clearly smart, but higher educations’ racist fever and its grail-like quest for “diversity” means that a “Kwasi Enin” is going to hit the racial jackpot in higher education.


10 posted on 4/1/2014 7:02:28 AM by PGR88
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"" posted:

The US Supreme Court has decided that you are any gender or race that you decide you are.
Have your kids define themselves as transsexual female African-American on their applications and they can go anywhere they want.

11 posted on 4/1/2014 7:03:05 AM by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.")
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"" posted:

He would be better off going to Grove City College. He would certainly learn more...
i would love for my sons to go to Grove City College... to me, Grove City College, Hillsdale and the Torrey Honors Institute at Biola are the Ivy League...

17 posted on 4/1/2014 7:08:30 AM by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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"" posted:

8 schools?

Harvard, for instance, charges $75 for an application fee. The others are comparable. Must have gotten waivers and suchlike. Whatever else, it shows that he’s good at doing the bureaucracy dance.


20 posted on 4/1/2014 7:14:28 AM by glorgau
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"" posted:

Oh come on! Does anyone really think that a white kid with identical qualifications would have been accepted in ALL the Ivy league schools?


25 posted on 4/1/2014 7:26:09 AM by kenmcg
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"" posted:

My daughter graduated 2nd in a very competative White/Asian high school in California (two valedictorians were both white, BTW). She had SAT and ACT scores in the 95+ percentile, 5’s on her APs including in Calculus I and II.

She had her heart set on attending an Ivy but was rejected by each of the ones she applied to, ditto for the class valedictorian who had PERFECT SAT scores, started a program for swimming for blind children at the local pool, 5s on APs, etc. He was rejected by ALL of the Ivies and Stanford. He asked what is it he didn’t do to get accepted? (my daughter too). Other valedictorian ended up at Stanford. Several non-whites below them in class ranking and SAT scores WERE accepted by Stanford and the Ivies.

You can’t imagine how crushing this is for these students.

Both went to Berkeley, and if it weren’t for Prop 209, I wonder if they would have been accpted there.


30 posted on 4/1/2014 7:59:55 AM by Bon of Babble (The dogs bark; the caravan moves on!)
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Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost
This is some prime-time know-nothing poo poo right here:

quote:

He would be better off going to Grove City College. He would certainly learn more...
i would love for my sons to go to Grove City College... to me, Grove City College, Hillsdale and the Torrey Honors Institute at Biola are the Ivy League...

17 posted on 4/1/2014 7:08:30 AM by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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And it's almost like the Ivies are looking for something besides grades and test scores...

quote:

My daughter graduated 2nd in a very competative White/Asian high school in California (two valedictorians were both white, BTW). She had SAT and ACT scores in the 95+ percentile, 5’s on her APs including in Calculus I and II.

She had her heart set on attending an Ivy but was rejected by each of the ones she applied to, ditto for the class valedictorian who had PERFECT SAT scores, started a program for swimming for blind children at the local pool, 5s on APs, etc. He was rejected by ALL of the Ivies and Stanford. He asked what is it he didn’t do to get accepted? (my daughter too). Other valedictorian ended up at Stanford. Several non-whites below them in class ranking and SAT scores WERE accepted by Stanford and the Ivies.

You can’t imagine how crushing this is for these students.

Both went to Berkeley, and if it weren’t for Prop 209, I wonder if they would have been accpted there.


30 posted on 4/1/2014 7:59:55 AM by Bon of Babble (The dogs bark; the caravan moves on!)
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Rosalind
Apr 30, 2013

When we hit our lowest point, we are open to the greatest change.

Anyone who says "I know who student who got X on the SAT and 5s on all his AP tests and blah blah blah" fundamentally doesn't understand how college admissions work. I used to work in an admissions office at a competitive private school and the thing is that every applicant has scores like that. What makes you stand out to these schools is sculpting your application to present a compelling narrative that makes the admissions officers feel that you'll be a good fit at that school. Showing good grades and test scores is only a part of that larger narrative which includes your essay, community service, etc. Your application needs to scream "I'd be awesome at this school and do awesome things here" because if it doesn't there are sometimes as many as 10 applicants for every spot in the freshman class.

Of course most people only familiar with big state schools where admissions is usually based on much more standardized methods would find private school admissions arbitrary and "unfair." And of course since this is Freep there is no room for nuance. Obviously since the student with bigger numbers didn't get in, it must be racism.

Sir DonkeyPunch
Mar 23, 2007

I didn't hear no bell
I'm guessing it's vastly more likely none of that story is true.

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx

Zeroisanumber posted:

This is some prime-time know-nothing poo poo right here:


And it's almost like the Ivies are looking for something besides grades and test scores...

Wonder what their essay thingy was like. Which I'm going to assume that's why they were rejected. Well if this isn't just STDH.

skaboomizzy
Nov 12, 2003

There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.
Oh god, Grove City College. I spent two years and change there in the 90's, I can only imagine how much worse it's gotten since then.

cafel
Mar 29, 2010

This post is hurting the economy!

Sir DonkeyPunch posted:

I'm guessing it's vastly more likely none of that story is true.

Oh it could be true. I know at my own highschool there was a bit of a flap because the white male class valedictorian missed out on several Ivy's that he tried for while a female Hispanic student made it into most of the ones he tried for. There were definitely whispers of affirmative action and unfairness, but the thing was she was still like 8th in our graduating class and came from an incredibly poor immigrant family and was bussed in from the inner city while the valedictorian came from an incredibly rich family living in one of the more expensive housing markets in the country down the block from our school. If you look at the balance of things she came quite close to the valedictorians grades and SAT scores while dealing with a lot more difficult circumstances.

It's just that when Freepers and the like look at it they don't look at the full context. The white kid had a higher GPA by 0.1 and a few dozen more points on the SAT, so they deserve the best spots full stop. The fact that they got those scores with a lot more breaks than others doesn't factor in.

quiggy
Aug 7, 2010

[in Russian] Oof.


skaboomizzy posted:

Oh god, Grove City College. I spent two years and change there in the 90's, I can only imagine how much worse it's gotten since then.

I have (had?) a good friend who went to Grove City starting in 2007. He left single and a political moderate and came back married and Tea Party.

predicto
Jul 22, 2004

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Rosalind posted:

Anyone who says "I know who student who got X on the SAT and 5s on all his AP tests and blah blah blah" fundamentally doesn't understand how college admissions work. I used to work in an admissions office at a competitive private school and the thing is that every applicant has scores like that. What makes you stand out to these schools is sculpting your application to present a compelling narrative that makes the admissions officers feel that you'll be a good fit at that school. Showing good grades and test scores is only a part of that larger narrative which includes your essay, community service, etc. Your application needs to scream "I'd be awesome at this school and do awesome things here" because if it doesn't there are sometimes as many as 10 applicants for every spot in the freshman class.

Of course most people only familiar with big state schools where admissions is usually based on much more standardized methods would find private school admissions arbitrary and "unfair." And of course since this is Freep there is no room for nuance. Obviously since the student with bigger numbers didn't get in, it must be racism.

The kid should have written an essay about how her dad was an ignorant hateful Freeper, but she manaaged to overcome that handicap and become a functioning thinking member of society through sheer force of will.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

predicto posted:

The kid should have written an essay about how her dad was an ignorant hateful Freeper, but she manaaged to overcome that handicap and become a functioning thinking member of society through sheer force of will.

Realtalk: If a kid who was interested in Anthropology or Sociology mentioned that they came out of a FReeper's house, I'd bump them up a half-step on the admission chain.

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

Rosalind posted:

Anyone who says "I know who student who got X on the SAT and 5s on all his AP tests and blah blah blah" fundamentally doesn't understand how college admissions work. I used to work in an admissions office at a competitive private school and the thing is that every applicant has scores like that. What makes you stand out to these schools is sculpting your application to present a compelling narrative that makes the admissions officers feel that you'll be a good fit at that school. Showing good grades and test scores is only a part of that larger narrative which includes your essay, community service, etc. Your application needs to scream "I'd be awesome at this school and do awesome things here" because if it doesn't there are sometimes as many as 10 applicants for every spot in the freshman class.

Of course most people only familiar with big state schools where admissions is usually based on much more standardized methods would find private school admissions arbitrary and "unfair." And of course since this is Freep there is no room for nuance. Obviously since the student with bigger numbers didn't get in, it must be racism.

Once again for a group claiming to be so dedicated to capitalism they know gently caress-all about it and its effects.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

You'd think if unfair admissions bothered them so much, they'd be more pissed at the legacy admissions who get in because daddy is rich and donates a lot to the school.

Also that kid is a first generation immigrant from Ghana. His parents are most likely professionals of some sort (assuming they're not refugees). But Freepers act like he's an inner city crack dealer anyway. "We don't hate black people, we hate 'urban' culture" then instantly turn towards the person with basically no connection to this supposed culture they hate and blame him for it.

Fake Edit: Like, without wanting to stereotype, there are quite a few immigrants, including many from Africa and the Caribbean, working at my job, and they all came to Canada as adults because they were educated professionals looking for more opportunities, except for the guy who trained me, who came to Canada as a refugee at age 8 from Rwanda. I just find it hilarious that their first impression, especially after learning his clearly African name, is that he's some up-jumped ghetto thug. Immigration channels aren't that easy to navigate most of the time, usually the people who make it over (even with refugee cases often) have some degree of education or expertise that allowed them to figure out the ins and outs of the system. At the very least you almost guaranteed have to be literate unless you get an NGO to help, and NGO sponsored applicants are a drop in the bucket. I guarantee you this kid's parents have probably accomplished quite a bit, and part of the reason they came to America was probably to provide a better life for their children.

Political Whores fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Apr 2, 2014

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

cafel posted:

Oh it could be true. I know at my own highschool there was a bit of a flap because the white male class valedictorian missed out on several Ivy's that he tried for while a female Hispanic student made it into most of the ones he tried for. There were definitely whispers of affirmative action and unfairness, but the thing was she was still like 8th in our graduating class and came from an incredibly poor immigrant family and was bussed in from the inner city while the valedictorian came from an incredibly rich family living in one of the more expensive housing markets in the country down the block from our school. If you look at the balance of things she came quite close to the valedictorians grades and SAT scores while dealing with a lot more difficult circumstances.

It's just that when Freepers and the like look at it they don't look at the full context. The white kid had a higher GPA by 0.1 and a few dozen more points on the SAT, so they deserve the best spots full stop. The fact that they got those scores with a lot more breaks than others doesn't factor in.

No, I don't think you understand. It's affirmative action because some brown girl got into an Ivy League school while the valedictorian didn't. So what if he was white and privileged! Reverse racism! It's not his fault he was born with the right skin colour and therefore doesn't need to lie down on the street and die!

Georgia Peach
Jan 7, 2005

SECESSION IS FUTILE

Zeroisanumber posted:

Realtalk: If a kid who was interested in Anthropology or Sociology mentioned that they came out of a FReeper's house, I'd bump them up a half-step on the admission chain.

Just write in the letter "Freep home, please help."

McAlister
Nov 3, 2002

by exmarx
Way back in the before times I read an article on pulped tree about Harvard admissions. Apparently they had a policy against just taking the valedictorian types and deliberately mixed lower scoring students in on purpose.

You see. The valedictorian types are used to being top dog. Cock of the walk. Brainiac++. If all you admit are the tippy top candidates then when they get to Harvard some of them go from the too to the bottom of the heap. Cause someone has to be last.

For the kind of high strung, competitive, adolescents who make valedictorian to come in last is intensely stressful. Academics, after all, is their life up to this point. They don't have jobs or children yet.

Suicide becomes a problem.

So mixing in lower ( but still excellent ) scoring students with good extra-curricular activities is a way to keep the best and brightest from offing themselves or having break downs.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

wilderthanmild posted:

This is awesome. It's like complaining that they don't refer to African Americans as "urban ferals" in polls.

Im reminded of whatever talk show did a bit where they asked people off the street if they support the Affordable Care Act they'd say yes, but then ask them if they support obamacare and theyd be like NO ITS SOCIALISM ITS NOT AMERICAN

Edit: Found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx2scvIFGjE

RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 08:21 on Apr 2, 2014

robotsinmyhead
Nov 29, 2005

Dude, they oughta call you Piledriver!

Clever Betty
LyinLibs is a lovely human being. Literally just PAGES of conspiracy theory tripe about MH370, Obama's birth certificate, and the whole shebang. Let's take a walk:

quote:

MH370: Hopes dashed as orange objects turn out to be fishing equipment

LyinLibs to SeekAndFind

This headline should say:

“Malaysian 777 repainted. Seats removed. Filled will _______ for unexpected attack on Tel Aviv.”

That ___________ might be dirty radioactive material. Or, it might be a nuclear device. Or Newt’s favorite, an EMP.

And ‘Tel Aviv’ might be ‘New York’ or ‘Miami.’

Strange things happen when you put a con artist with forged ID and seven (7) SSNs in charge of the largest military on earth.
SEVEN

quote:

Finding lost Malaysia plane may be impossible: US official

LyinLibs to MarMema

By disabling our Southeast radar, Hussein has opened the door to his moslem terrorist buddies for EMP or dirty bomb attack on CONUS.

Stock up on cheese + crackers.

quote:

Crucial Radar Outage Scrubs US National Security and SpaceX Launches for Several Weeks from Cape...

LyinLibs to maine-iac7

And....... MIAMI is the target of the Malaysian 777.

This is actually encouraging bc Miami is only a dirty bomb target, not a (NATIONAL REACH) EMP target.

Hussein could, of course, nuke it.

I didn’t think of that last possibility.

quote:

FBI turning against DNC/Obama?

LyinLibs to RushIsMyTeddyBear

Correct. This is Blago all over again.

Dems are the (actual) Chicago Mafia. Not the euphemism ‘mafia’ but the actual organized crime Mafia.

They blackmail you, and if you don’t play exactly along, you either get killed or thrown in prison.

Imagine you’re Hussein and you’ve spent the past 7 years defrauding the entire USA with your forged BC and stolen SSN(s).

Now imagine Sheriff Arpaio is finally catching up to SOME of your felonies that folks DON’T know about. Felonies that might be more shocking than Benghazi, Fast+Furious, IRS, NSA, arming al-Qaeda, and the other 9,999 acts of Treason you’ve been committing in public.

Before Arpaio blows your cover on that, don’t you tie up some loose ends by launching criminal investigations that YOUR FELLOW TRAITORS and Mafiosi control (in order to sandbag the charges or overcharge uncooperative stooges), or instead do you wait until Holder gets brought up on Treason/Felony charges and the American people clean house, placing ‘somewhat trustworthy non-traitors’ in charge of prosecuting your cronies who might cut a deal and squeal about your Mafia enterprises?
7EVEN

quote:

MH370 pilot upset over wife's decision to move out and in 'no state of mind to be flying' ...

LyinLibs to Greysard

The moslem pilot probably bopped the other women because moslems have a final alcohol/sex fling before going Kamikaze (just like 9-11 hijackers).

In other words, if you notice Hussein bopping Larry Sinclair ‘one last time,’ head deep underground.

quote:

Gen McInerney:US Has Not Come Clean With Flight 370 Data:

LyinLibs to lbryce

I love when the Chicago Mafia and their Mocha Messiah try to coordinate each scam.

They botch EVERYTHING they do, to the point everybody’s rolling their eyes.
Mocha Messiah is the title to my upcoming R&B album.

quote:

Schumer: Senate has votes for media shield law

LyinLibs to Olog-hai

Most MSM sources work inside the White House and are named Mohammed.

quote:

Empire State Bldg Owners Sued – Didn’t Allow Muslim Prayers on Observation Deck

LyinLibs to massmike

On the observation deck they should have a corner set aside for moslems to pray on a nice prayer rug.

Only catch is, once the moslem steps onto the rug, he suddenly notices that it’s suspended taut by thread, over a missing floor panel.

As he plummets 100 stories toward a roped-off ‘madrassah’ on the sidewalk, my voice is amplified as I deliver MY morning prayer at full volume, wagging my finger, declaring: Taqqiya!!!!

quote:

BREAKING: Intel Group With Source Inside Boeing Says Missing Flight #MH370 Went to Pakistan

LyinLibs to Secret Agent Man

John Brennan (CIA Chief and huge MOSLEM) knows exactly where the plane is, b/c Hussein ordered him to load it with dirty bomb or EMP, then attack an American city.

It has been revealed that pResident Baraq HUSSEIN n0BSMA (known gay moslem) moonlights as an international assassin.

kik2dagroin
Mar 23, 2007

Use the anger. Use it.

quote:

LyinLibs to lbryce

I love when the Chicago Mafia and their Mocha Messiah try to coordinate each scam.

They botch EVERYTHING they do, to the point everybody’s rolling their eyes.
Yeah! They botch everything! Including their hiding of his real birth certificate, their outright fraud in stealing elections, their intimidation of Roberts to get him to consider the mandate as a TAX :byodood:, BENGHAZI, not putting boots on the ground in Crimea *trails off and begins frothing at the mouth*

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

kik2dagroin posted:

Yeah! They botch everything! Including their hiding of his real birth certificate, their outright fraud in stealing elections, their intimidation of Roberts to get him to consider the mandate as a TAX :byodood:, BENGHAZI, not putting boots on the ground in Crimea *trails off and begins frothing at the mouth*

This reminds me of one of my favorite Freep posts of all time. I don't remember who it was made by and I don't even remember the context. It was just another "Obama does a thing therefore it is bad" thread. But I do remember the first two sentences of it very clearly:

"0bama is an idiot. He knows exactly what he's doing."

That's about the most condensed example of compartmentalized thinking any of us will ever see. Literally, from one short sentence to the next, Obama is a brainless mongoloid and also an evil super-genius mastermind at the same time. Freepers are the stupidest loving people alive.

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx
Wait I'm behind on my crazy rear end theories. What's the difference between an EMP and a full-on nuclear strike?

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

DemeaninDemon posted:

Wait I'm behind on my crazy rear end theories. What's the difference between an EMP and a full-on nuclear strike?

EMP doesn't kill anyone. It just takes out all electronics.

robotsinmyhead
Nov 29, 2005

Dude, they oughta call you Piledriver!

Clever Betty

Elephant Ambush posted:

This reminds me of one of my favorite Freep posts of all time. I don't remember who it was made by and I don't even remember the context. It was just another "Obama does a thing therefore it is bad" thread. But I do remember the first two sentences of it very clearly:

"0bama is an idiot. He knows exactly what he's doing."

That's about the most condensed example of compartmentalized thinking any of us will ever see. Literally, from one short sentence to the next, Obama is a brainless mongoloid and also an evil super-genius mastermind at the same time. Freepers are the stupidest loving people alive.

Yes! I get to crosspost from the Political Cartoons thread:



Something a little bit exactly like this?

Acquilae
May 15, 2013

McAlister posted:

Way back in the before times I read an article on pulped tree about Harvard admissions. Apparently they had a policy against just taking the valedictorian types and deliberately mixed lower scoring students in on purpose.

You see. The valedictorian types are used to being top dog. Cock of the walk. Brainiac++. If all you admit are the tippy top candidates then when they get to Harvard some of them go from the too to the bottom of the heap. Cause someone has to be last.

For the kind of high strung, competitive, adolescents who make valedictorian to come in last is intensely stressful. Academics, after all, is their life up to this point. They don't have jobs or children yet.

Suicide becomes a problem.

So mixing in lower ( but still excellent ) scoring students with good extra-curricular activities is a way to keep the best and brightest from offing themselves or having break downs.
Yeah my high school went from a valedictorian/salutatorian to having a more exclusive honor roll where the 95th percentile and above would be listed as academic scholars. Of course, for a year students complained because "wah no distinction" even though we still did rankings and weighted/unweighted grades for honors and AP classes. Our graduating class had about 650 students and so many intelligent people that we had like 6 AP Calculus, 4 AP Biology, and like 4 AP Chemistry sections because so many students not only placed into honors and AP classes but excelled in them to the point where almost every senior taking science was in an AP class and even had one AP Macroecon class that got all 5's on the exam. We also had it where if you had a B- at midterms in an honors/AP class, they would put you on warning and you had to get to a solid B before the semester or drop down to the regular class.

Zero_Grade
Mar 18, 2004

Darktider 🖤🌊

~Neck Angels~

Man I hope Barack "Mocha Messiah" Obamahitler doesn't nuke Miami with the stolen plane, that would make my afternoon a bit unpleasant. :ohdear:

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

Zero_Grade posted:

Man I hope Barack "Mocha Messiah" Obamahitler doesn't nuke Miami with the stolen plane, that would make my afternoon a bit unpleasant. :ohdear:

On the upside, it would simplify my datacenter migration planning.

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant
If there was some Iranian or Pakistani plot to blow something up with an airliner, why would they steal one and therefore be using the most sought-after airplane on earth for their mission, when they could use any number of airliners already on the ground within those two countries?

MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

StandardVC10 posted:

If there was some Iranian or Pakistani plot to blow something up with an airliner, why would they steal one and therefore be using the most sought-after airplane on earth for their mission, when they could use any number of airliners already on the ground within those two countries?

The US wasted millions on the F22 when apparently Boing 777's are already great stealth planes. I mean, how else do they propose the thing fly from the Indian ocean to Miami completely unnoticed? No one is going to find it strange that an unidentified plane is approaching the city? So much for nevah forget...

TheMaskedChemist
Mar 30, 2010

StandardVC10 posted:

If there was some Iranian or Pakistani plot to blow something up with an airliner, why would they steal one and therefore be using the most sought-after airplane on earth for their mission, when they could use any number of airliners already on the ground within those two countries?

Occam's Razor? I don't need five blades Obummer :argh:

King Metal
Jun 15, 2001

StandardVC10 posted:

If there was some Iranian or Pakistani plot to blow something up with an airliner, why would they steal one and therefore be using the most sought-after airplane on earth for their mission, when they could use any number of airliners already on the ground within those two countries?

Because Obama ordered it to be captured so he could get the Freescale design PATENTS. He also needed these engineers so that he could force them to build his Iron Man suit (will be muslim man in the future) so that he can force sharia law on everyone through force and the military and UNARMED CIVILIANS won't be able to stop him

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
So Freep must be overjoyed with the latest SCOTUS decision to let the guiding hands of The Most Holy Job Creators decide our elections from now on.

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL

DemeaninDemon posted:

Wait I'm behind on my crazy rear end theories. What's the difference between an EMP and a full-on nuclear strike?

One is much cheaper to do up as special effects on your White Men versus the Terrorists movie, so holds a rather larger portion of the publics attention.

And EMP like folks imagine would be a fairly considerable nuclear explosion. There were some EMP effects to some of the early atmospheric nuclear tests, that allowed scientists to theorize that you could build a nuclear bomb that did more EMP than those tests, but this isn't weaponized, and still involves a goodly sized nuclear explosion. Not what they show in the movies where a white electrostatic ring propagates from your non-explosion and the lights turn out, while one of our heroes exposits "That was an EMP!"

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx

Slo-Tek posted:

One is much cheaper to do up as special effects on your White Men versus the Terrorists movie, so holds a rather larger portion of the publics attention.

And EMP like folks imagine would be a fairly considerable nuclear explosion. There were some EMP effects to some of the early atmospheric nuclear tests, that allowed scientists to theorize that you could build a nuclear bomb that did more EMP than those tests, but this isn't weaponized, and still involves a goodly sized nuclear explosion. Not what they show in the movies where a white electrostatic ring propagates from your non-explosion and the lights turn out, while one of our heroes exposits "That was an EMP!"

Oh right they barely understand gravity let alone any of the other forces. Except Dalereed I'm pretty sure he's mastered that dark side force power that lets you live forever.

ReidRansom
Oct 25, 2004


Slo-Tek posted:


And EMP like folks imagine would be a fairly considerable nuclear explosion. There were some EMP effects to some of the early atmospheric nuclear tests, that allowed scientists to theorize that you could build a nuclear bomb that did more EMP than those tests, but this isn't weaponized, and still involves a goodly sized nuclear explosion. Not what they show in the movies where a white electrostatic ring propagates from your non-explosion and the lights turn out, while one of our heroes exposits "That was an EMP!"

Ye, EMP fears are basically pretty dumb. While it may be possible to build a nuclear device that's more EMP than explosion (I have no idea), it would still probably have to be large enough that you may as well just go the explodey path anyhow since whichever you choose, all it's going to do is ensure a bunch of SLBMs get launched at you, and all an EMP would do is inconvenience your target for a while while you wait to die.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
EMP devices that don't require a nuclear explosion are possible to build. However they require a lot of electricity to run and only affect a relatively small area. The US military uses them to test EMP shielding on vehicles and equipment.

Jonked
Feb 15, 2005

Darkman Fanpage posted:

EMP devices that don't require a nuclear explosion are possible to build. However they require a lot of electricity to run and only affect a relatively small area. The US military uses them to test EMP shielding on vehicles and equipment.
Also if you're trying to turn all the lights out, it would be easier to sneak a truckload of fertilizer up next to a upstate New York power station then it would be to sneak a Goddamn Nuclear Bomb into New York, Philadelphia, and Boston at the same time.

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Yeah but one of these things is much more exciting and like a John Clancy book than the others.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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What exactly is the next step in the terrorist playbook after their hypothetical super-nuclear EMP thing anyway? I mean you can argue they succeeded in their goal in 9/11, they got us to lash out. But what does an EMP do other than cost us a lot of money and not even kill very many people, followed by total berserk rage? Give Iran the PERFECT OPPORTUNITY to NUKE ISRAEL? Let Putin annex the Ukraine? Do they even think about that?

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ArchangeI
Jul 15, 2010

Nessus posted:

What exactly is the next step in the terrorist playbook after their hypothetical super-nuclear EMP thing anyway? I mean you can argue they succeeded in their goal in 9/11, they got us to lash out. But what does an EMP do other than cost us a lot of money and not even kill very many people, followed by total berserk rage? Give Iran the PERFECT OPPORTUNITY to NUKE ISRAEL? Let Putin annex the Ukraine? Do they even think about that?

Terrorists hate America because of its freedoms. They want to destroy freedom because Allah hates freedom. Anything that hurts the US is useful for that.

Besides that "costs the west a lot of money" is a perfectly reasonable goal if you are waging a terror campaign, especially if you can be sure that the response will be seen as exceptionally brutal by people in your recruitment area and get you new recruits. I would even argue that some of the foiled terror plots over the last few years were still very successful because they hurt the west in terms of money spent on new security measures.

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